ZiyQ
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Post by ZiyQ on Jun 24, 2024 23:07:34 GMT
It's usually suggested for the 192 to instead be diverted to Lea Valley Leisure Complex, to save a few buses, but I could see your idea definitely working as well. Since this is fantasyland, it might be worthwhile for me to show some of my fantasy plans for bus changes in the area. North East Fantasy Bus Review - Part 1I did enjoy reading your proposals, very neat and well structured. Some of the ideas I've suggested in the past are included. Though there is some takeaway I'd like to add. It may be difficult to really extend the 215 anywhere further north of LV camp site from the amount of costs and funding it will require to sustain a cross border service. Requiring to be a good value for money to the London taxpayer. We've already seen the case of the 505 being slowly cut back to non existent in the area. You could extend one of the 3bph north, however again will require funding cooperation from ECC, which I doubt they'll intervene from what they've done to Loughton. One of the main critisms of the 192/W8 proposal is the lack of efficiency within it. What I mean by this is the indirect nature of the connection the 192 may take if it were to reroute compared to what the W8 already offers. I wouldn't reduce the frequency, the demand really won't change if the reroute ever happened, it will continue to have its own demand feeding to Enfield Town and Edmonton Green from Bush Hill which is well used and almost always busy. I did personally suggest extending the W6 instead where it's still direct, but can offer new onward links to the likes of Cambridge Roundabout and Palmers Green. Overall, you've produced a good piece on it. I'm curious myself to see part 2 of your ideas. Looks like you got there before I could reply  . The 215 extension was one of the main reasons why this probably belongs to the fantasy thread - I did try to think under TfL's eyes for the 192, but the frequency decrease does seem quite bad in hindsight. Some of the other proposals I made would put a lot of strain on Edmonton Green Bus Station, so extending the W6 as well could prove useful. A few of the ideas were borrowed from other places in the forum, and I'll make sure to credit anyone whose ideas were involved. I might make a schematic map of some of the changes and make some designs for a Meridian Water Bus Interchange soon.  (Also I'd love to see your Enfield Bus Review again here VMH2537 but the link has since broken) |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 13, 2024 5:02:06 GMT
So continuing on from the General bus discussion thread. I have this striking feeling that a route from Canning Town (not sure which one but if I had to put money on it I'd say the 330) would go through the Silvertown tunnel and run into South London. Another thing I can see happening is the splits on the 108 (unless both tunnels are down at the same time) will be coming to an end. The 104 rerouted somehow through the Royal Docks and possibly running to Silvertown but then that would put the 473 at risk. Then we have the 101, we can't send it back to North Woolwich as two routes already terminate there, could we send it back to Gallions Reach and then have the 262 back at the SavaCentre again who knows.
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Post by bk10mfe on Jul 13, 2024 7:02:08 GMT
So continuing on from the General bus discussion thread. I have this striking feeling that a route from Canning Town (not sure which one but if I had to put money on it I'd say the 330) would go through the Silvertown tunnel and run into South London. Another thing I can see happening is the splits on the 108 (unless both tunnels are down at the same time) will be coming to an end. The 104 rerouted somehow through the Royal Docks and possibly running to Silvertown but then that would put the 473 at risk. Then we have the 101, we can't send it back to North Woolwich as two routes already terminate there, could we send it back to Gallions Reach and then have the 262 back at the SavaCentre again who knows. The 330 is an option that I suggested previously to run into south London. The 309 or 323 could easily extend to Pontoon Dock to cover that section, or you could reverse the 241/474 changes. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2024 12:10:03 GMT
So continuing on from the General bus discussion thread. I have this striking feeling that a route from Canning Town (not sure which one but if I had to put money on it I'd say the 330) would go through the Silvertown tunnel and run into South London. Another thing I can see happening is the splits on the 108 (unless both tunnels are down at the same time) will be coming to an end. The 104 rerouted somehow through the Royal Docks and possibly running to Silvertown but then that would put the 473 at risk. Then we have the 101, we can't send it back to North Woolwich as two routes already terminate there, could we send it back to Gallions Reach and then have the 262 back at the SavaCentre again who knows. An easy way to ease space at Beckton would be to reverse the 101 & 262 changes as you mention which shouldn’t cause any issues for passengers. There is a stand on East Ham Manor Way next to New Beckton Park that maybe a route like the 104 could use by looping via Cyprus to remove a further terminating route from the bus station. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 13, 2024 15:26:12 GMT
So continuing on from the General bus discussion thread. I have this striking feeling that a route from Canning Town (not sure which one but if I had to put money on it I'd say the 330) would go through the Silvertown tunnel and run into South London. Another thing I can see happening is the splits on the 108 (unless both tunnels are down at the same time) will be coming to an end. The 104 rerouted somehow through the Royal Docks and possibly running to Silvertown but then that would put the 473 at risk. Then we have the 101, we can't send it back to North Woolwich as two routes already terminate there, could we send it back to Gallions Reach and then have the 262 back at the SavaCentre again who knows. An easy way to ease space at Beckton would be to reverse the 101 & 262 changes as you mention which shouldn’t cause any issues for passengers. There is a stand on East Ham Manor Way next to New Beckton Park that maybe a route like the 104 could use by looping via Cyprus to remove a further terminating route from the bus station. I'm hoping the transport towers sees sense and reverse that move. The 366 with it's vehicles cannot cope by itself. |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 13, 2024 19:15:05 GMT
So continuing on from the General bus discussion thread. I have this striking feeling that a route from Canning Town (not sure which one but if I had to put money on it I'd say the 330) would go through the Silvertown tunnel and run into South London. Another thing I can see happening is the splits on the 108 (unless both tunnels are down at the same time) will be coming to an end. The 104 rerouted somehow through the Royal Docks and possibly running to Silvertown but then that would put the 473 at risk. Then we have the 101, we can't send it back to North Woolwich as two routes already terminate there, could we send it back to Gallions Reach and then have the 262 back at the SavaCentre again who knows. I know this is fantasy but can't see the 330 diverting especially as this was going to be considered but never got as far as a consultation.
If the 330 was ever diverted another route would need to cover the Silvertown Way corridor towards the Thames Barrier as this is actually well used despite having the DLR running parallel.
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 13, 2024 20:11:00 GMT
So continuing on from the General bus discussion thread. I have this striking feeling that a route from Canning Town (not sure which one but if I had to put money on it I'd say the 330) would go through the Silvertown tunnel and run into South London. Another thing I can see happening is the splits on the 108 (unless both tunnels are down at the same time) will be coming to an end. The 104 rerouted somehow through the Royal Docks and possibly running to Silvertown but then that would put the 473 at risk. Then we have the 101, we can't send it back to North Woolwich as two routes already terminate there, could we send it back to Gallions Reach and then have the 262 back at the SavaCentre again who knows. I know this is fantasy but can't see the 330 diverting especially as this was going to be considered but never got as far as a consultation.
If the 330 was ever diverted another route would need to cover the Silvertown Way corridor towards the Thames Barrier as this is actually well used despite having the DLR running parallel.
So on the flip side if we say the 330 was to potentially be pulled away from it's current routing would Silvertown Way/North Woolwich Road need a double decker route to go down that road as I remembered at one point it had the 474 and 69 going down there or would you consider the 309 or 323 to fill it's place. I would have said the 69 but given the audacious 20mph on its routing and some hotspots it encounters I ruled that one out. Then you have the 241 to consider on whether you'd want it to loop itself back onto Silvertown Way back into Canning Town (although it will definitely increase it's journey time) |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2024 1:06:01 GMT
I know this is fantasy but can't see the 330 diverting especially as this was going to be considered but never got as far as a consultation. If the 330 was ever diverted another route would need to cover the Silvertown Way corridor towards the Thames Barrier as this is actually well used despite having the DLR running parallel.
So on the flip side if we say the 330 was to potentially be pulled away from it's current routing would Silvertown Way/North Woolwich Road need a double decker route to go down that road as I remembered at one point it had the 474 and 69 going down there or would you consider the 309 or 323 to fill it's place. I would have said the 69 but given the audacious 20mph on its routing and some hotspots it encounters I ruled that one out. Then you have the 241 to consider on whether you'd want it to loop itself back onto Silvertown Way back into Canning Town (although it will definitely increase it's journey time) If it was me and from a non local point of view, I’d revert most of the changes back to how they were - 474 runs to Hermit Road via its old routing, 330 back to Canning Town & the 241 would remain running to Pontoon Dock but via Keir Hardie first and then via the 474. The 104, 300 & 304 would largely remain as is except for trying to move the 104 from terminating at Beckton Bus Station. |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 14, 2024 8:57:44 GMT
So on the flip side if we say the 330 was to potentially be pulled away from it's current routing would Silvertown Way/North Woolwich Road need a double decker route to go down that road as I remembered at one point it had the 474 and 69 going down there or would you consider the 309 or 323 to fill it's place. I would have said the 69 but given the audacious 20mph on its routing and some hotspots it encounters I ruled that one out. Then you have the 241 to consider on whether you'd want it to loop itself back onto Silvertown Way back into Canning Town (although it will definitely increase it's journey time) If it was me and from a non local point of view, I’d revert most of the changes back to how they were - 474 runs to Hermit Road via its old routing, 330 back to Canning Town & the 241 would remain running to Pontoon Dock but via Keir Hardie first and then via the 474. The 104, 300 & 304 would largely remain as is except for trying to move the 104 from terminating at Beckton Bus Station. You can't do that with the 241 as you then remove the important link to Canning Town Hermit Road from keir Hardie which local residents need to get to the local shopping district!
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jul 25, 2024 9:21:49 GMT
Route 375:
Romford-Loughton
Via Mawney Road, Havering Park/Clockhouse Lane, Collier Row, Chase Cross, Havering-atte-Bower, Bournebridge, Stapleford Abbotts, Passingford Bridge, Abridge, Debden Station and Broadway and then follows route 397 to Loughton
Route is rerouted between Romford and Collier Row via Routes 252, 294 and 365 or School Route 651
Route is extended from Passingford Bridge Roundabout to Loughton
Route can run every 20 mins Monday-Saturday and every 30 mins on Sundays with Gemini 3 Hybrids from GY
Route can also replace the 651 school bus between Romford and Chase Cross
Route will allow for Romford and Loughton to be linked, Bournebridge, Stapleford Abbotts, Passingford Bridge and Abridge to be linked better with Debden Station, Provide better service to Havering-atte-Bower and schools along the route, and allow for better service down Clockhouse Lane, when the 365 gets curtailed to Parkside Avenue or Collier Row.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 25, 2024 11:39:36 GMT
Route 375: Romford-Loughton Via Mawney Road, Havering Park/Clockhouse Lane, Collier Row, Chase Cross, Havering-atte-Bower, Bournebridge, Stapleford Abbotts, Passingford Bridge, Abridge, Debden Station and Broadway and then follows route 397 to Loughton Route is rerouted between Romford and Collier Row via Routes 252, 294 and 365 or School Route 651 Route is extended from Passingford Bridge Roundabout to Loughton Route can run every 20 mins Monday-Saturday and every 30 mins on Sundays with Gemini 3 Hybrids from GY Route can also replace the 651 school bus between Romford and Chase Cross Route will allow for Romford and Loughton to be linked, Bournebridge, Stapleford Abbotts, Passingford Bridge and Abridge to be linked better with Debden Station, Provide better service to Havering-atte-Bower and schools along the route, and allow for better service down Clockhouse Lane, when the 365 gets curtailed to Parkside Avenue or Collier Row. Nice Idea but won't happen because of boundaries |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jul 25, 2024 11:51:19 GMT
Nice Idea but won't happen because of boundaries How come routes such as the 20 run out of London? |
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Post by rift on Jul 25, 2024 12:18:09 GMT
Nice Idea but won't happen because of boundaries How come routes such as the 20 run out of London? Historical reasons and funding plays a part. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Jul 25, 2024 12:56:02 GMT
How come routes such as the 20 run out of London? Historical reasons and funding plays a part. It also comes down if the service provides a value for money to the London taxpayer. Links provided to Loughton are fairly popular from Walthamstow and Whipps Cross as well from Chingford provided by the 397. |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jul 25, 2024 13:08:56 GMT
It also comes down if the service provides a value for money to the London taxpayer. Links provided to Loughton are fairly popular from Walthamstow and Whipps Cross as well from Chingford provided by the 397. Surely one from Loughton/Debden-Romford would be quite popular with people, as well as give those on the 375 alternate travel options rather than just Romford Station. |
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. The 215 extension was one of the main reasons why this probably belongs to the fantasy thread - I did try to think under TfL's eyes for the 192, but the frequency decrease does seem quite bad in hindsight. Some of the other proposals I made would put a lot of strain on Edmonton Green Bus Station, so extending the W6 as well could prove useful. A few of the ideas were borrowed from other places in the forum, and I'll make sure to credit anyone whose ideas were involved.
