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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 25, 2024 14:24:32 GMT
It also comes down if the service provides a value for money to the London taxpayer. Links provided to Loughton are fairly popular from Walthamstow and Whipps Cross as well from Chingford provided by the 397. Surely one from Loughton/Debden-Romford would be quite popular with people, as well as give those on the 375 alternate travel options rather than just Romford Station. Would it? There's no evidence to suggest this |
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Post by britishguy54 on Jul 25, 2024 18:30:44 GMT
It also comes down if the service provides a value for money to the London taxpayer. Links provided to Loughton are fairly popular from Walthamstow and Whipps Cross as well from Chingford provided by the 397. Surely one from Loughton/Debden-Romford would be quite popular with people, as well as give those on the 375 alternate travel options rather than just Romford Station. A few years ago, there was a non-TFL route, the 575, that went between Harlow and Romford, serving Debden. The problems there was infrequent services and long distances. Perhaps a more consistent service could attract more people, or perhaps it wouldn’t. |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jul 27, 2024 12:26:32 GMT
A few years ago, there was a non-TFL route, the 575, that went between Harlow and Romford, serving Debden. The problems there was infrequent services and long distances. Perhaps a more consistent service could attract more people, or perhaps it wouldn’t. I do recall it going to Lakeside for a brief period of time, and Parklands School bus stop still has the 575 up despite the route being gone for quite a few years now... |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 27, 2024 14:33:26 GMT
A few years ago, there was a non-TFL route, the 575, that went between Harlow and Romford, serving Debden. The problems there was infrequent services and long distances. Perhaps a more consistent service could attract more people, or perhaps it wouldn’t. I do recall it going to Lakeside for a brief period of time, and Parklands School bus stop still has the 575 up despite the route being gone for quite a few years now... The 575 ran from Harlow to Romford with at least one journey extended to Southend but it was propped up mainly by, I imagine, freedom pass users so probably wasn't making enough money to be viable. It was a common sight to see a line of elderly people queuing for this particular route at Romford Station |
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Post by mrhk on Aug 9, 2024 15:32:09 GMT
This is fantasy merely because I am not familiar with some of the areas this route would serve but I would propose a new Superloop from Central to West London, possibly called the SL18 between Wembley Park and Euston. Wembley Park - (standing at Wembley Park Drive) and turning back to Fulton Road- just short of Wembley Park Station. (New stand made on one of the lanes). Stops: Euston Station, Baker Street Station, Marylebone Station, Paddington Station(?) Shepherd’s Bush Green(?), Savoy Circus, Park Royal Station, Hanger Lane Station, Ealing Road and all stops to Wembley Park via route 483. Key routings: via Euston Underpass and non-stopping on Marylebone Road, then stop at Baker Street. The stop at Marylebone Station would be shared with route 2 at the Taxi Rank rather than Marylebone Road, people can change at Baker Street if they want to interchange for other bus routes. Then calling at Paddington Station and Paddington / Eastbourne Terrace via Sussex Gardens and Praed Street, and then turn right to Bishops Bridge Road to join the Westway, slight detour on the West Cross Route to Shepherd’s Bush Green to call here and at Westfield, and possibly Ariel Way, before going via Wood Lane back to Western Avenue to call at East Acton / Savoy Circus, direct to Hanger Lane gyratory calling at Park Royal and then non stop via Alperton and up to Ealing Road then serving stops up to Wembley Park Drive via the 483. (?) - Paddington - this routing would be slightly longer and while it is a mainline station, Im not sure if it would need to be served primarily: to speed up journeys, it could run much quicker via Marylebone Flyover to Westway (?) - Shepherd’s Bush Green - same issue, it could just continue via Westway and probably save 20 or so minutes not doing the West Cross Route detour however I imagine Bush as a major interchange terminal as well as Westfield so thought it might be worth the reroute. What are your thoughts? If anyone has any suggestions west of Hanger Lane instead of Wembley. This proposal is actually quite strong however this does seem very similar to the Oxford Tube that runs along the A40 up until White City Estate. I think if it followed more of the 18 up to Wembley only stopping at certain stops, it would help relieve crowds on the 18 as that always seems to be skipping stops on Harrow Road and maybe at Willesden if you wanted it to serve Westfield it could divert via the 220? However if you want it to still serve Wembley, I think diverting it at Wembley Triangle up to Wembley Park would work. Then again from Willesden Jn to Wembley its only half an hour. |
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Post by sdaniel on Aug 11, 2024 0:20:33 GMT
Could it be possible if bus route 24 extended down on southern end of the route to Battersea Park Station via Lupus Street, Grosvenor Road, Chelsea Bridge and Queenstown Road?
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Post by mrhk on Aug 11, 2024 3:25:20 GMT
Could it be possible if bus route 24 extended down on southern end of the route to Battersea Park Station via Lupus Street, Grosvenor Road, Chelsea Bridge and Queenstown Road? It could however then the 24 would lose its title of longest unchange route of all time. However I don't think it's a bad idea at all. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2024 4:25:51 GMT
Could it be possible if bus route 24 extended down on southern end of the route to Battersea Park Station via Lupus Street, Grosvenor Road, Chelsea Bridge and Queenstown Road? I don't think it's a necessary change - it would completely overbuss the corridor from Battersea Park to Grosvenor Road given the 211 joined the 137 & 452 in running along there (and two routes was already enough without adding the 211 in). |
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Post by bk10mfe on Aug 11, 2024 8:52:24 GMT
Could it be possible if bus route 24 extended down on southern end of the route to Battersea Park Station via Lupus Street, Grosvenor Road, Chelsea Bridge and Queenstown Road? I don't think it's a necessary change - it would completely overbuss the corridor from Battersea Park to Grosvenor Road given the 211 joined the 137 & 452 in running along there (and two routes was already enough without adding the 211 in). Yeah if a link like that was to be provided then it would likely need to be something rerouted rather than extended e.g 44. I do wonder if there’s merit in rerouting the 452 via Victoria to help out the busy 52 more with its well used round corner link at Hyde Park Corner. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2024 11:05:27 GMT
I don't think it's a necessary change - it would completely overbuss the corridor from Battersea Park to Grosvenor Road given the 211 joined the 137 & 452 in running along there (and two routes was already enough without adding the 211 in). Yeah if a link like that was to be provided then it would likely need to be something rerouted rather than extended e.g 44. I do wonder if there’s merit in rerouting the 452 via Victoria to help out the busy 52 more with its well used round corner link at Hyde Park Corner. I’d leave the 452 as it is personally |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 11, 2024 14:36:16 GMT
Could it be possible if bus route 24 extended down on southern end of the route to Battersea Park Station via Lupus Street, Grosvenor Road, Chelsea Bridge and Queenstown Road? There's currently a banned left turn directly onto the bridge (but buses could go around the loop that the 360 once used or the ban removed for buses). Why not to be honest, it's been suggested here before. Might attract more customers who'd stay on beyond Victoria if BPS is a big enough traffic generator. Currently the Pimlico end is pretty quiet as the bus empties out or fills up there (which is to be expected in a residential zone).
Battersea Park to Grovesnor Road is a bit short to be considered as a corridor (I hate the definition that TfL uses anyway!). A corridor assumes that a big chunk of passengers will alight or board along it hence could take any bus which follows the corridor but I really doubt many people make such a short hop. You could consider Battersea Park to Knightsbridge as a corridor however as that's long enough and I'd agree that that entire section doesn't need an addition bus route -- hence why it'd be okay for the 24 to be extended because it adds new links in a different direction.
A key point considering it is the touristy 24 after all is if BPS has been solidly added to the typical tourist itinerary in which case it would prove to be very useful (the 24 is already great for those hopping between Camden to Chinatown to Trafalgar Square to Whitehall to Victoria and the hotels and AirBNBs in Pimlico -- and the overlapping journeys anyone can make on that chain of destinations). If these people wanted to go to BPS (I've only been once and didn't get the impression it was 'foreign' tourists who were visiting -- it may have changed) it could possibly work quite well.
An ideal world would be the developer chucking TfL a few (thousand) quid to trial the extension out in exchange for also wrapping the buses with prominent BPS ads and seeing how it pans out.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2024 14:58:26 GMT
Could it be possible if bus route 24 extended down on southern end of the route to Battersea Park Station via Lupus Street, Grosvenor Road, Chelsea Bridge and Queenstown Road? There's currently a banned left turn directly onto the bridge (but buses could go around the loop that the 360 once used or the ban removed for buses). Why not to be honest, it's been suggested here before. Might attract more customers who'd stay on beyond Victoria if BPS is a big enough traffic generator. Currently the Pimlico end is pretty quiet as the bus empties out or fills up there (which is to be expected in a residential zone). Battersea Park to Grovesnor Road is a bit short to be considered as a corridor (I hate the definition that TfL uses anyway!). A corridor assumes that a big chunk of passengers will alight or board along it hence could take any bus which follows the corridor but I really doubt many people make such a short hop. You could consider Battersea Park to Knightsbridge as a corridor however as that's long enough and I'd agree that that entire section doesn't need an addition bus route -- hence why it'd be okay for the 24 to be extended because it adds new links in a different direction. A key point considering it is the touristy 24 after all is if BPS has been solidly added to the typical tourist itinerary in which case it would prove to be very useful (the 24 is already great for those hopping between Camden to Chinatown to Trafalgar Square to Whitehall to Victoria and the hotels and AirBNBs in Pimlico -- and the overlapping journeys anyone can make on that chain of destinations). If these people wanted to go to BPS (I've only been once and didn't get the impression it was 'foreign' tourists who were visiting -- it may have changed) it could possibly work quite well. An ideal world would be the developer chucking TfL a few (thousand) quid to trial the extension out in exchange for also wrapping the buses with prominent BPS ads and seeing how it pans out.
The section from Grosvenor Road to Battersea Park already has the 137, 211 & 452 as well as the 44 which I forgot in my original post. Four routes is already over doing it here IMO without adding on the 24 regardless of where it goes. Does Pimlico specifically need a link to Battersea Power Station - Victoria already has one with the 44 (short 5 minute walk from Battersea Park) and the Northern Line connects Central Line so it seems to be a very niche link at best. The only way you could justify it IMO would be to return the 44 to Vauxhall and then extend the 24 but then the only way to justify that would be to remove the 436 (maybe return it to Paddington) and let people change from 36's & 436's onto 44's, 156's & 344's instead. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 11, 2024 15:13:03 GMT
There's currently a banned left turn directly onto the bridge (but buses could go around the loop that the 360 once used or the ban removed for buses). Why not to be honest, it's been suggested here before. Might attract more customers who'd stay on beyond Victoria if BPS is a big enough traffic generator. Currently the Pimlico end is pretty quiet as the bus empties out or fills up there (which is to be expected in a residential zone). Battersea Park to Grovesnor Road is a bit short to be considered as a corridor (I hate the definition that TfL uses anyway!). A corridor assumes that a big chunk of passengers will alight or board along it hence could take any bus which follows the corridor but I really doubt many people make such a short hop. You could consider Battersea Park to Knightsbridge as a corridor however as that's long enough and I'd agree that that entire section doesn't need an addition bus route -- hence why it'd be okay for the 24 to be extended because it adds new links in a different direction. A key point considering it is the touristy 24 after all is if BPS has been solidly added to the typical tourist itinerary in which case it would prove to be very useful (the 24 is already great for those hopping between Camden to Chinatown to Trafalgar Square to Whitehall to Victoria and the hotels and AirBNBs in Pimlico -- and the overlapping journeys anyone can make on that chain of destinations). If these people wanted to go to BPS (I've only been once and didn't get the impression it was 'foreign' tourists who were visiting -- it may have changed) it could possibly work quite well. An ideal world would be the developer chucking TfL a few (thousand) quid to trial the extension out in exchange for also wrapping the buses with prominent BPS ads and seeing how it pans out.
The section from Grosvenor Road to Battersea Park already has the 137, 211 & 452 as well as the 44 which I forgot in my original post. Four routes is already over doing it here IMO without adding on the 24 regardless of where it goes. Does Pimlico specifically need a link to Battersea Power Station - Victoria already has one with the 44 (short 5 minute walk from Battersea Park) and the Northern Line connects Central Line so it seems to be a very niche link at best. The only way you could justify it IMO would be to return the 44 to Vauxhall and then extend the 24 but then the only way to justify that would be to remove the 436 (maybe return it to Paddington) and let people change from 36's & 436's onto 44's, 156's & 344's instead. It would help if TfL advertised their routes properly at major interchanges! The 44 often feels like a forgotten route at Victoria, the fact it didn't cross my mind when trying to get to BPS even if I'm a local is quite telling.
Returning the 436 to Paddington could be an idea, I believe it was discussed on here not too long ago to re-merge the 36 and 436 (or somesuch).
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Post by abellion on Aug 11, 2024 16:00:24 GMT
The section from Grosvenor Road to Battersea Park already has the 137, 211 & 452 as well as the 44 which I forgot in my original post. Four routes is already over doing it here IMO without adding on the 24 regardless of where it goes. Does Pimlico specifically need a link to Battersea Power Station - Victoria already has one with the 44 (short 5 minute walk from Battersea Park) and the Northern Line connects Central Line so it seems to be a very niche link at best. The only way you could justify it IMO would be to return the 44 to Vauxhall and then extend the 24 but then the only way to justify that would be to remove the 436 (maybe return it to Paddington) and let people change from 36's & 436's onto 44's, 156's & 344's instead. It would help if TfL advertised their routes properly at major interchanges! The 44 often feels like a forgotten route at Victoria, the fact it didn't cross my mind when trying to get to BPS even if I'm a local is quite telling.
Returning the 436 to Paddington could be an idea, I believe it was discussed on here not too long ago to re-merge the 36 and 436 (or somesuch).
I don't think the 44 is forgotten, I have always seen it having some of the heaviest loads out of Victoria over the years with it and the 170's stop being very busy. Pre-covid the set up was terrible with massive crowds for the 44 obstructing the heavy pedestrian traffic at the far too cramped stop R, now it is way better with the 44 and 170 rightfully having the more spacious pickup together. |
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Post by PGAT on Aug 19, 2024 17:36:40 GMT
Extend 432 and maybe N2 to Elmers End
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