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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 3, 2024 21:08:13 GMT
Epsom doesn’t really need a night service, the whole town is dead after 11pm. Even the spoons closes well before the final buses. That's abit of an exaggeration the last 293 is before and there is only a 406 and a 166 after the closing of the pubs Still doesn’t justify a night service, it’s an expensive waste of money. Not everywhere needs one. |
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Post by mrhk on Sept 9, 2024 19:55:48 GMT
N183: Northwood Station to North Finchley, Tally Ho!
via routes H11 between Northwood and Pinner, 183 between Pinner and Finchley, Church End and route SL10/125 between Church End and North Finchley.
I think I and a lot of other users can agree that the 183 should've at least recieved a 24/7 service however this route would cover all the 183 and its descendant routes. Currently, the 183 starts its last journeys from Pinner and Golders Green at 00:45 and 00:50 respectively with the and SL10 and H11 starting at 00:30 and with the Metropolitan line running late into the night as well, this hints that there is a demand for a night route in these areas. Maybe a trial could prove its needed?
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Post by n341bus on Sept 12, 2024 17:03:23 GMT
Some North London bus changes I'd like to implement
- Extend the 279 bus to Finsbury Park Bus station. This would provide a useful link from places like Ponders End and Edmonton to Finsbury Park, as well as reducing pressure on the 259. For me it also makes sense and is just logical to allow for the continuation of the bus to Finsbury Park. Manor house just doesn't seem like a good terminating point for me. Maybe a curtailment, but not a turning point.
- A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Chingford, via existing routes 491 and 313. It would go from Waltham Cross, along bullsmoor lane and mollison avenue then up the lea valley route following route 313 to chingford, or maybe taking a different route? Not entirely sure on this one but I feel like it would be useful.
- A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Tottenham Hale/Seven Sisters via Brimsdown, Ponders End, Picketts Lock and Meridian Water. The area of eastern edmonton and picketts lock has very limited transport links, with only the current W8 bus linking the area to edmonton green. For people who live northwards, (Ponders End, Brimsdown, Enfield Lock, Waltham Cross and so on) do not have a suitable transport connection to the picketts lock centre or surrounding area.
As someone who is looking for local sports/athletics/gym facilities the picketts lock centre would be an ideal location, but its transport links are appalling. Also this new bus would improve the connections around the new Meridian Water housing development.
- Routes 444 and 34 and SL1 should be diverted off the north circular to serve Meridian water. Again, providing additional east-west bus links would improve connectivity between edmonton and chingford. This section of London in particular is very seperate and divided due to the river lea and multiple resevoirs in the area, so links should be improved.
(Apologies for any spelling errors, I'm on mobile and cannot see what I'm typing.)
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 13, 2024 10:41:25 GMT
Some North London bus changes I'd like to implement - Extend the 279 bus to Finsbury Park Bus station. This would provide a useful link from places like Ponders End and Edmonton to Finsbury Park, as well as reducing pressure on the 259. For me it also makes sense and is just logical to allow for the continuation of the bus to Finsbury Park. Manor house just doesn't seem like a good terminating point for me. Maybe a curtailment, but not a turning point. - A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Chingford, via existing routes 491 and 313. It would go from Waltham Cross, along bullsmoor lane and mollison avenue then up the lea valley route following route 313 to chingford, or maybe taking a different route? Not entirely sure on this one but I feel like it would be useful. - A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Tottenham Hale/Seven Sisters via Brimsdown, Ponders End, Picketts Lock and Meridian Water. The area of eastern edmonton and picketts lock has very limited transport links, with only the current W8 bus linking the area to edmonton green. For people who live northwards, (Ponders End, Brimsdown, Enfield Lock, Waltham Cross and so on) do not have a suitable transport connection to the picketts lock centre or surrounding area. As someone who is looking for local sports/athletics/gym facilities the picketts lock centre would be an ideal location, but its transport links are appalling. Also this new bus would improve the connections around the new Meridian Water housing development. - Routes 444 and 34 and SL1 should be diverted off the north circular to serve Meridian water. Again, providing additional east-west bus links would improve connectivity between edmonton and chingford. This section of London in particular is very seperate and divided due to the river lea and multiple resevoirs in the area, so links should be improved. (Apologies for any spelling errors, I'm on mobile and cannot see what I'm typing.) 1. I agree with moving the 279 to somewhere else but Finsbury Park would be duplicating the 259 a bit much especially since TFL wanted to decrease the PVR there. 2. I like this idea but I would like this route to go to Chingford via Waltham Abbey, Sewardstone and King's Head Hill but this won't happen because of boundaries. Plus I think that Waltham Cross is at capacity anyway. 3. Not sure this is needed. The Great Anglia does this already plus you'd be overbussing the Hertford Road corridor especially when the Overground is due a capacity increase 4. Don't agree with this. You'd be adding time onto routes that would get swampped in traffic. You'd be better off sending a route from Edmonton to Meridian Water like the W8 |
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Post by db253 on Sept 13, 2024 11:36:30 GMT
Some North London bus changes I'd like to implement - Extend the 279 bus to Finsbury Park Bus station. This would provide a useful link from places like Ponders End and Edmonton to Finsbury Park, as well as reducing pressure on the 259. For me it also makes sense and is just logical to allow for the continuation of the bus to Finsbury Park. Manor house just doesn't seem like a good terminating point for me. Maybe a curtailment, but not a turning point. - A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Chingford, via existing routes 491 and 313. It would go from Waltham Cross, along bullsmoor lane and mollison avenue then up the lea valley route following route 313 to chingford, or maybe taking a different route? Not entirely sure on this one but I feel like it would be useful. - A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Tottenham Hale/Seven Sisters via Brimsdown, Ponders End, Picketts Lock and Meridian Water. The area of eastern edmonton and picketts lock has very limited transport links, with only the current W8 bus linking the area to edmonton green. For people who live northwards, (Ponders End, Brimsdown, Enfield Lock, Waltham Cross and so on) do not have a suitable transport connection to the picketts lock centre or surrounding area. As someone who is looking for local sports/athletics/gym facilities the picketts lock centre would be an ideal location, but its transport links are appalling. Also this new bus would improve the connections around the new Meridian Water housing development. - Routes 444 and 34 and SL1 should be diverted off the north circular to serve Meridian water. Again, providing additional east-west bus links would improve connectivity between edmonton and chingford. This section of London in particular is very seperate and divided due to the river lea and multiple resevoirs in the area, so links should be improved. (Apologies for any spelling errors, I'm on mobile and cannot see what I'm typing.) 1. I agree with moving the 279 to somewhere else but Finsbury Park would be duplicating the 259 a bit much especially since TFL wanted to decrease the PVR there. 2. I like this idea but I would like this route to go to Chingford via Waltham Abbey, Sewardstone and King's Head Hill but this won't happen because of boundaries. Plus I think that Waltham Cross is at capacity anyway. 3. Not sure this is needed. The Great Anglia does this already plus you'd be overbussing the Hertford Road corridor especially when the Overground is due a capacity increase 4. Don't agree with this. You'd be adding time onto routes that would get swampped in traffic. You'd be better off sending a route from Edmonton to Meridian Water like the W8 Is there actually any concrete news/suggestions of that part of the Overground (soon to be the Weaver Line) getting an increase? I live on this line and an increase to 6tph would certainly be welcome! |
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 13, 2024 11:40:27 GMT
1. I agree with moving the 279 to somewhere else but Finsbury Park would be duplicating the 259 a bit much especially since TFL wanted to decrease the PVR there. 2. I like this idea but I would like this route to go to Chingford via Waltham Abbey, Sewardstone and King's Head Hill but this won't happen because of boundaries. Plus I think that Waltham Cross is at capacity anyway. 3. Not sure this is needed. The Great Anglia does this already plus you'd be overbussing the Hertford Road corridor especially when the Overground is due a capacity increase 4. Don't agree with this. You'd be adding time onto routes that would get swampped in traffic. You'd be better off sending a route from Edmonton to Meridian Water like the W8 Is there actually any concrete news/suggestions of that part of the Overground (soon to be the Weaver Line) getting an increase? I live on this line and an increase to 6tph would certainly be welcome! There was but it's gone a bit quiet |
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 13, 2024 12:02:45 GMT
1. I agree with moving the 279 to somewhere else but Finsbury Park would be duplicating the 259 a bit much especially since TFL wanted to decrease the PVR there. 2. I like this idea but I would like this route to go to Chingford via Waltham Abbey, Sewardstone and King's Head Hill but this won't happen because of boundaries. Plus I think that Waltham Cross is at capacity anyway. 3. Not sure this is needed. The Great Anglia does this already plus you'd be overbussing the Hertford Road corridor especially when the Overground is due a capacity increase 4. Don't agree with this. You'd be adding time onto routes that would get swampped in traffic. You'd be better off sending a route from Edmonton to Meridian Water like the W8 Is there actually any concrete news/suggestions of that part of the Overground (soon to be the Weaver Line) getting an increase? I live on this line and an increase to 6tph would certainly be welcome! TfL are still in talks with Greater Anglia to accommodate space for a 6tph off-peak increase. There's also space for an 8tph service, however will require purchasing of new rolling stock. Something TfL missed years ago for options on discounts from Aventra. I would be curious if they could add additional orders alongside the recent Class 345's order. |
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Post by db253 on Sept 13, 2024 12:06:13 GMT
Is there actually any concrete news/suggestions of that part of the Overground (soon to be the Weaver Line) getting an increase? I live on this line and an increase to 6tph would certainly be welcome! TfL are still in talks with Greater Anglia to accommodate space for a 6tph off-peak increase. There's also space for an 8tph service, however will require purchasing of new rolling stock. Something TfL missed years ago for options on discounts from Aventra. I would be curious if they could add additional orders alongside the recent Class 345's order. Fingers crossed, the line is increasingly overcrowded north of Seven Sisters at all times of day. It's almost as bad as the North London Line used to be. 8tph would be incredible but for now I'd happily settle for 6tph |
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Post by ZiyQ on Sept 15, 2024 15:08:17 GMT
TfL are still in talks with Greater Anglia to accommodate space for a 6tph off-peak increase. There's also space for an 8tph service, however will require purchasing of new rolling stock. Something TfL missed years ago for options on discounts from Aventra. I would be curious if they could add additional orders alongside the recent Class 345's order. Fingers crossed, the line is increasingly overcrowded north of Seven Sisters at all times of day. It's almost as bad as the North London Line used to be. 8tph would be incredible but for now I'd happily settle for 6tph The line is definitely overcrowded almost all the time, and the current 4tph frequency doesn't cut it at all - the line always fills up Northbound from Seven Sisters (and I'd also say that that station urgently needs a capacity upgrade as well). Greater Anglia also cutting their peak services via Seven Sisters also hasn't helped at all, and has displaced many passengers onto the slower Overground services. Despite all of this, I'd say that the line through Meridian Water / Ponders End (West Anglia Main Line) much more urgently needs an increase, but that can only happen in the millions of years it will take (if ever) for Crossrail 2 to be built. In the meantime, I'd say a stopping bus service (likely around 4bph) along Meridian Way, at least from Waltham Cross to Tottenham Hale, is urgently needed, and would help relieve the crowded Greater Anglia trains that would get even worse when the Meridian Water developments are completed. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Sept 15, 2024 15:12:15 GMT
- Routes 444 and 34 and SL1 should be diverted off the north circular to serve Meridian water. Again, providing additional east-west bus links would improve connectivity between edmonton and chingford. This section of London in particular is very seperate and divided due to the river lea and multiple resevoirs in the area, so links should be improved. (Apologies for any spelling errors, I'm on mobile and cannot see what I'm typing.) 4. Don't agree with this. You'd be adding time onto routes that would get swampped in traffic. You'd be better off sending a route from Edmonton to Meridian Water like the W8 To be honest, I'm half way between both views - diverting the 444 would create some welcome East-West links, but I'm not too sure about the 34 and SL1, and with the latter, I'd honestly not want it to be diverted. Sure, the purpose of the SL1 is to link town centres together, but the extra traffic would be too much for it (and if the link from the NCR to the developments are improved, I wouldn't see why anyone couldn't walk from the SL1 stop to the station / developments). |
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 15, 2024 15:44:29 GMT
4. Don't agree with this. You'd be adding time onto routes that would get swampped in traffic. You'd be better off sending a route from Edmonton to Meridian Water like the W8 To be honest, I'm half way between both views - diverting the 444 would create some welcome East-West links, but I'm not too sure about the 34 and SL1, and with the latter, I'd honestly not want it to be diverted. Sure, the purpose of the SL1 is to link town centres together, but the extra traffic would be too much for it (and if the link from the NCR to the developments are improved, I wouldn't see why anyone couldn't walk from the SL1 stop to the station / developments). There's a little layoff on the left exit lane going towards Edmonton. A stop can easily be made there |
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Post by ZiyQ on Sept 15, 2024 15:46:52 GMT
Some North London bus changes I'd like to implement - Extend the 279 bus to Finsbury Park Bus station. This would provide a useful link from places like Ponders End and Edmonton to Finsbury Park, as well as reducing pressure on the 259. For me it also makes sense and is just logical to allow for the continuation of the bus to Finsbury Park. Manor house just doesn't seem like a good terminating point for me. Maybe a curtailment, but not a turning point. - A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Chingford, via existing routes 491 and 313. It would go from Waltham Cross, along bullsmoor lane and mollison avenue then up the lea valley route following route 313 to chingford, or maybe taking a different route? Not entirely sure on this one but I feel like it would be useful. - A new bus route from Waltham Cross to Tottenham Hale/Seven Sisters via Brimsdown, Ponders End, Picketts Lock and Meridian Water. The area of eastern edmonton and picketts lock has very limited transport links, with only the current W8 bus linking the area to edmonton green. For people who live northwards, (Ponders End, Brimsdown, Enfield Lock, Waltham Cross and so on) do not have a suitable transport connection to the picketts lock centre or surrounding area. As someone who is looking for local sports/athletics/gym facilities the picketts lock centre would be an ideal location, but its transport links are appalling. Also this new bus would improve the connections around the new Meridian Water housing development. - Routes 444 and 34 and SL1 should be diverted off the north circular to serve Meridian water. Again, providing additional east-west bus links would improve connectivity between edmonton and chingford. This section of London in particular is very seperate and divided due to the river lea and multiple resevoirs in the area, so links should be improved. (Apologies for any spelling errors, I'm on mobile and cannot see what I'm typing.) Apologies for the amount of replies I'm sending, but here's my last 2 thoughts: - 1. This is definitely a change that would be welcome. Although other members have often said that extending the 279 would over-bus the section from Manor House to Finsbury Park, I'd actually argue the opposite. That section gets very busy at times, and the Manor House terminal has too many problems on its own, for being a terminus for such a large trunk route, that the 279 is. The Manor House terminus is also extremely unsuitable (in my opinion, at least) - the onward connections to the 29 / 141 / 341 are quite bad, due to the positioning of the 279 stand, and it also has to turn around across 4 lanes of traffic. Another supposed reason for keeping the Manor House stand are the connections from the Piccadilly Line due to zoning - it does get decently busy around Manor House, but the 279 would attract a lot more National Rail passengers if it was extended to Finsbury Park. If extended to Finsbury Park, the 279 could stand on Coleridge Road and the stand before it, which would definitely be enough capacity for the bus.
- I don't entirely think that this link should exist in this way - I think it would be much more attractive to relieve the 313's solo section with the proposed Superloop 2 route, from Chingford / Stratford to Barnet. That section gets very busy at times, and a Superloop route could create a lot of new links. However, adequate bus priority needs to be installed along Lea Valley Road for a Superloop route to work, and there's also currently no stand space at Chingford, which would be another big issue to solve.
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Post by ZiyQ on Sept 15, 2024 15:49:28 GMT
To be honest, I'm half way between both views - diverting the 444 would create some welcome East-West links, but I'm not too sure about the 34 and SL1, and with the latter, I'd honestly not want it to be diverted. Sure, the purpose of the SL1 is to link town centres together, but the extra traffic would be too much for it (and if the link from the NCR to the developments are improved, I wouldn't see why anyone couldn't walk from the SL1 stop to the station / developments). There's a little layoff on the left exit lane going towards Edmonton. A stop can easily be made there That's definitely a good idea - especially if a bridge can be made from the stop to the station, though the SL1 might get slightly slower if diverted there. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 15, 2024 16:02:38 GMT
There's a little layoff on the left exit lane going towards Edmonton. A stop can easily be made there That's definitely a good idea - especially if a bridge can be made from the stop to the station, though the SL1 might get slightly slower if diverted there. You don't have to make a bridge. You can build a stop there; there's already bus stop markings on the road where the layoff is |
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Post by ZiyQ on Sept 15, 2024 16:15:41 GMT
That's definitely a good idea - especially if a bridge can be made from the stop to the station, though the SL1 might get slightly slower if diverted there. You don't have to make a bridge. You can build a stop there; there's already bus stop markings on the road where the layoff is I was thinking more about a pedestrian bridge, which would allow direct pedestrian access from the bus stop to Meridian Water Station. Do you know why that stop was abandoned in the first place? |
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