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Post by sid on Oct 21, 2014 9:21:40 GMT
Extend the 14 and 22 to Kings Cross. The 14 via Euston Road to Kings Cross, and the 22 via the 19 to Holborn and via the 59/91 to Kings Cross. Stand space shouldn't be an issue as there are a few back roads in the area. This would enable new links between Kings Cross and Piccadilly Circus/Soho/Leicester Square and the Theatres. One problem with those proposals is space at Euston Bus Station. Eastbound buses would have to run through and you're talking about another 20+ buses per hour. Given the bus station sometimes has to close due to congestion then I can't see that working to be honest. Westbound buses could be routed to avoid Euston - as they did with the 91. An alternative for the 22 would be to run the full length of Shaftesbury Avenue, Theobalds Road, Grays Inn Road to Kings Cross. This gives a bus service to the full length of Shafetesbury Avenue rather than the occasional ad hoc use by routes avoiding TCR. It also gives new links through Bloomsbury to Kings Cross. One problem is the right hand turn from G Inn Road to Theobalds Road is currently banned and it would need a bus only cycle to be introduced which may affect junction capacity. Whether that's feasible I don't know. I'd leave the 14 alone simply because it is now so frequent that you're talking vast expense and stand space problems to extend it. My idea for the 22 isn't cheap either but would create new linkages in Central London. I don't think Euston bus station needs any more buses and I wonder if the 253 or 476 really need to terminate there? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 14:56:22 GMT
How about extending the 355 to camberwell.
also about extending the W7 to hollwoway nags head or camden town.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 21, 2014 15:11:48 GMT
How about extending the 355 to camberwell. also about extending the W7 to hollwoway nags head or camden town. I think the 355 needs double deckers more than any route extension |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2014 18:08:40 GMT
How about extending the 355 to camberwell. also about extending the W7 to hollwoway nags head or camden town. I think the 355 needs double deckers more than any route extension Certainly does, I wonder how long I'll have to wait until it does get them. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Oct 21, 2014 21:46:14 GMT
How about extending the 355 to camberwell. also about extending the W7 to hollwoway nags head or camden town. The W7 needs to have empty buses at Finsbury Park to mop up the loads. They roll off the stand every three minutes at high peak and leave the bus station full to the doors. Camden-Muswell Hill is already covered by the 134, Holloway-Muswell Hill by the 43, Holloway-Crouch End by the 91. They all cope in their own right, though the Finsbury Park-Camden corridor could always do with help. I don't think sending a 15bph route looping round the side streets off Fonthill Road is the way to do it though. |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 21, 2014 22:23:53 GMT
Extend the 14 and 22 to Kings Cross. The 14 via Euston Road to Kings Cross, and the 22 via the 19 to Holborn and via the 59/91 to Kings Cross. Stand space shouldn't be an issue as there are a few back roads in the area. This would enable new links between Kings Cross and Piccadilly Circus/Soho/Leicester Square and the Theatres. One problem with those proposals is space at Euston Bus Station. Eastbound buses would have to run through and you're talking about another 20+ buses per hour. Given the bus station sometimes has to close due to congestion then I can't see that working to be honest. Westbound buses could be routed to avoid Euston - as they did with the 91. An alternative for the 22 would be to run the full length of Shaftesbury Avenue, Theobalds Road, Grays Inn Road to Kings Cross. This gives a bus service to the full length of Shafetesbury Avenue rather than the occasional ad hoc use by routes avoiding TCR. It also gives new links through Bloomsbury to Kings Cross. One problem is the right hand turn from G Inn Road to Theobalds Road is currently banned and it would need a bus only cycle to be introduced which may affect junction capacity. Whether that's feasible I don't know. I'd leave the 14 alone simply because it is now so frequent that you're talking vast expense and stand space problems to extend it. My idea for the 22 isn't cheap either but would create new linkages in Central London. Funny that's actually the initial idea I had for the 22, then I altered it to conform with existing routes via TCR and Holborn. Coming to think of it I prefer this alternative idea, as you stated it would be a unique alternative to Kings Cross via the whole of Shaftesbury Avenue (when westbound 14/19/38 reverts back to via TCR), Bloomsbury and Grays Inn Road.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 21, 2014 22:31:49 GMT
How about extending the 355 to camberwell. also about extending the W7 to hollwoway nags head or camden town. The W7 needs to have empty buses at Finsbury Park to mop up the loads. They roll off the stand every three minutes at high peak and leave the bus station full to the doors. Camden-Muswell Hill is already covered by the 134, Holloway-Muswell Hill by the 43, Holloway-Crouch End by the 91. They all cope in their own right, though the Finsbury Park-Camden corridor could always do with help. I don't think sending a 15bph route looping round the side streets off Fonthill Road is the way to do it though. Completely agree that the W7 should be left alone. It is really a tube line in disguise and is immensely busy. The W3 is not far behind. What might be interesting is playing a little game with the 153 by extending it under the Stroud Green Road bridge and over the W3 to terminate at Crouch End Broadway. That would add some new links around North London and cover both sides of Finsbury Park. There would be a "challenge" as to quite where a rerouted 153 would stop - do you make it stop near Wells Terrace so people wanting a bus to Crouch End have the choice. You'd need to stick an extra stop near the S Grn Rd bridge for buses headed to Islington / Liv St to avoid the need to loop through either Wells Tce / Station Place bus stations. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Oct 22, 2014 17:42:45 GMT
The W7 needs to have empty buses at Finsbury Park to mop up the loads. They roll off the stand every three minutes at high peak and leave the bus station full to the doors. Camden-Muswell Hill is already covered by the 134, Holloway-Muswell Hill by the 43, Holloway-Crouch End by the 91. They all cope in their own right, though the Finsbury Park-Camden corridor could always do with help. I don't think sending a 15bph route looping round the side streets off Fonthill Road is the way to do it though. Completely agree that the W7 should be left alone. It is really a tube line in disguise and is immensely busy. The W3 is not far behind. What might be interesting is playing a little game with the 153 by extending it under the Stroud Green Road bridge and over the W3 to terminate at Crouch End Broadway. That would add some new links around North London and cover both sides of Finsbury Park. There would be a "challenge" as to quite where a rerouted 153 would stop - do you make it stop near Wells Terrace so people wanting a bus to Crouch End have the choice. You'd need to stick an extra stop near the S Grn Rd bridge for buses headed to Islington / Liv St to avoid the need to loop through either Wells Tce / Station Place bus stations. It is an interesting idea and one I hadn't thought of. Though I'd take a different approach at Finsbury Park and explicitly avoid any 153 stop n/b proximate to Wells Terrace. Imagine the scene of an evening peak in the bus station where an unexplained gap has appeared in all three 'main' SGR routes and 2-300 people see a little 153 popping out under the bridge! Could present a safety issue... |
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Post by moz on Oct 23, 2014 11:17:37 GMT
Extend the 14 and 22 to Kings Cross. The 14 via Euston Road to Kings Cross, and the 22 via the 19 to Holborn and via the 59/91 to Kings Cross. Stand space shouldn't be an issue as there are a few back roads in the area. This would enable new links between Kings Cross and Piccadilly Circus/Soho/Leicester Square and the Theatres. One problem with those proposals is space at Euston Bus Station. Eastbound buses would have to run through and you're talking about another 20+ buses per hour. Given the bus station sometimes has to close due to congestion then I can't see that working to be honest. Westbound buses could be routed to avoid Euston - as they did with the 91. An alternative for the 22 would be to run the full length of Shaftesbury Avenue, Theobalds Road, Grays Inn Road to Kings Cross. This gives a bus service to the full length of Shafetesbury Avenue rather than the occasional ad hoc use by routes avoiding TCR. It also gives new links through Bloomsbury to Kings Cross. One problem is the right hand turn from G Inn Road to Theobalds Road is currently banned and it would need a bus only cycle to be introduced which may affect junction capacity. Whether that's feasible I don't know. I'd leave the 14 alone simply because it is now so frequent that you're talking vast expense and stand space problems to extend it. My idea for the 22 isn't cheap either but would create new linkages in Central London. I'm sure some of you have seen on some of the other groups that the 7 looks likely to be permanently curtailed at Oxford Circus with the 98 being used to replace it to Russell Square. Why not the 14? After all it would link up a lot of the 'tourist trail' perfectly with most of the major museums and places of interest along it. From Russell Square it could potentially carry on to King's Cross but I'm not sure there would be a call for it. Moz |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 23, 2014 12:20:38 GMT
'm sure some of you have seen on some of the other groups that the 7 looks likely to be permanently curtailed at Oxford Circus with the 98 being used to replace it to Russell Square. Why not the 14? After all it would link up a lot of the 'tourist trail' perfectly with most of the major museums and places of interest along it. From Russell Square it could potentially carry on to King's Cross but I'm not sure there would be a call for it. Moz I can see that the 14 might work taking over the rump end of the 7. The only small issue is that the back roads the 7 uses north of TCR are dreadfully congested and squashing a 5 minute headway down those might be a step too far. The other question is where are you trying to link to and from - is it Piccadilly to Russell Square or Oxford St? The other one I thought about was extending route 1 to Russell Square from TCR but, of course, that's not really a new link given there are lots of buses on the Aldwych - Holborn - Russell Sq corridor. It's merely a way of extending a route that terminates nearby to Russell Square. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 19:49:33 GMT
Red Arrow route 503 tried the south Kensington to Russell square link a while ago and it wasn't that busy. If you look at the passengers on the existing tourists buses I think there are a good many who don't bother with oyster cards and just use the tourist link routes and the circular tours to get around.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 25, 2014 8:40:27 GMT
156 to Elephant (or Old Kent Road) via the Oval and Kennington, providing a parallel service to the yet constructed Battersea branch of the Northern Line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 1:33:35 GMT
extend 90 from Feltham to Sunbury Village
extend 127 and 131 from Tooting Broadway to St. George's Hospital (Blackshaw Road)
extend 285 from Kingston to Tolworth and increase double deckers
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Post by Nathan on Oct 26, 2014 9:35:03 GMT
Extend 285 from Kingston to Tolworth and increase double deckers Or better yet keep the single decks and make it go via Berrylands. This will provide a night service along the K2 route (excluding Surbiton Station) |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 26, 2014 10:20:12 GMT
extend 90 from Feltham to Sunbury Village extend 127 and 131 from Tooting Broadway to St. George's Hospital (Blackshaw Road) extend 285 from Kingston to Tolworth and increase double deckers Sorry to be a pain but any chance you can provide reasons as to why you suggested these ideas? I doubt the stand space at St. George's Hospital can fit an extra two routes and whilst one might certainly work, I personally think the 333 is the better option. |
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