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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2014 20:54:15 GMT
I suggest that headteacher comes and rides the 417, a route that has far more than 3 schools on route and no objections from anyone regarding safety. I'm afraid I don't buy his reasoning simply because I cannot see how running a bus route endangers school children. Totally agree, a ridiculous comment from Teddington School, who have three school buses per day serving the school anyway. He probably isn't even still in post ! It is worth pointing out the article is *13* years old. I am not in the least bit surprised to see an allegedly intelligent person say "daft" things but he will simply be chiming in with local sentiment but using the old "think of the children" reasoning is guaranteed to cause mass hysteria. I strongly suspect the road is congested at school times with parents driving their "little darlings" to and from school. The quote is another example of the mass lunacy that arises whenever it is suggested a *bus* (dear god, poor people use those) dare turn its wheels down a road in a moderately (or more) well off area in London. You can see it happening again with the prospect of a service of a bus down Purley Downs Road. There you get the other horror invoked - "it is bad for the environment" (in addition to maiming and killing children). It simply goes to show that normally reasonable people have no idea about the benefits of providing reasonable public transport access for people. A bus every 30 minutes on a main road is barely the end of the world. Being really cynical it is much more about 1) oh dear our property values will go down 2) oh dear a bus is dirty, noisy and smelly. 3) oh dear we might have a bus stop outside our house with "people" standing around 4) oh dear we can't park our car on *our* bit of the road in case a bus smashes into it. 5) oh dear the children will be run down 6) oh dear "yoof" from poor areas will come and break into our homes because burglars only travel by bus. 7) oh dear "perverts" will gaze into our bedrooms    |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 22:10:19 GMT
Totally agree, a ridiculous comment from Teddington School, who have three school buses per day serving the school anyway. He probably isn't even still in post ! It is worth pointing out the article is *13* years old. I am not in the least bit surprised to see an allegedly intelligent person say "daft" things but he will simply be chiming in with local sentiment but using the old "think of the children" reasoning is guaranteed to cause mass hysteria. I strongly suspect the road is congested at school times with parents driving their "little darlings" to and from school. The quote is another example of the mass lunacy that arises whenever it is suggested a *bus* (dear god, poor people use those) dare turn its wheels down a road in a moderately (or more) well off area in London. You can see it happening again with the prospect of a service of a bus down Purley Downs Road. There you get the other horror invoked - "it is bad for the environment" (in addition to maiming and killing children). It simply goes to show that normally reasonable people have no idea about the benefits of providing reasonable public transport access for people. A bus every 30 minutes on a main road is barely the end of the world. Being really cynical it is much more about 1) oh dear our property values will go down 2) oh dear a bus is dirty, noisy and smelly. 3) oh dear we might have a bus stop outside our house with "people" standing around 4) oh dear we can't park our car on *our* bit of the road in case a bus smashes into it. 5) oh dear the children will be run down 6) oh dear "yoof" from poor areas will come and break into our homes because burglars only travel by bus. 7) oh dear "perverts" will gaze into our bedrooms Exactly. I recall the fuss residents along the 272 route made even blocking the road in protest. Ironically it's well used now even though its still hail and ride despite actually having mini posts with timetables just no flags. Emlyn Road) |
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 8, 2014 11:09:37 GMT
Extend the 60 and N68 to Caterham-on-the-Hill. There is enough stand space at Westway to fit 2 466's, a 60, a 404 and a 400. Extending the N68 to Caterham-on-the Hill will make it so it runs from Central London right to the edge of London.  |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 8, 2014 11:17:28 GMT
Extend the 60 and N68 to Caterham-on-the-Hill. There is enough stand space at Westway to fit 2 466's, a 60, a 404 and a 400. Extending the N68 to Caterham-on-the Hill will make it so it runs from Central London right to the edge of London. What's the purpose of extending the 60 further? Personally, I'd leave the 60 as it is as I don't see the need of Caterham-On-The-Hill needing another Croydon service given that a short walk down the hill takes you to the 407. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 8, 2014 11:25:18 GMT
Extend the 60 and N68 to Caterham-on-the-Hill. There is enough stand space at Westway to fit 2 466's, a 60, a 404 and a 400. Extending the N68 to Caterham-on-the Hill will make it so it runs from Central London right to the edge of London. What's the purpose of extending the 60 further? Personally, I'd leave the 60 as it is as I don't see the need of Caterham-On-The-Hill needing another Croydon service given that a short walk down the hill takes you to the 407. ,That hill is quite long, and to get to the station from Westway is at least a 15-20 minute walk unless you catch a 409. I thought of this idea because the 60 runs around different places to the 466 like Marpit Lane and New Hill whereas the 466 goes down Stoats Nest Village until the routes meet at Purley Tesco. After Fairfield Halls, the routes split up, going to Streatham and Addington Village. Also, what if there was a disruption to the 466 between Addington and Croydon and there was a long wait? People for Caterham-Hill can just take the 60 straight there instead of waiting 30 mins or so for a 404 from Old Coulsdon to get to Caterham-on-the-Hill |
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Post by Connor on Nov 8, 2014 12:02:43 GMT
What's the purpose of extending the 60 further? Personally, I'd leave the 60 as it is as I don't see the need of Caterham-On-The-Hill needing another Croydon service given that a short walk down the hill takes you to the 407. ,That hill is quite long, and to get to the station from Westway is at least a 15-20 minute walk unless you catch a 409. I thought of this idea because the 60 runs around different places to the 466 like Marpit Lane and New Hill whereas the 466 goes down Stoats Nest Village until the routes meet at Purley Tesco. After Fairfield Halls, the routes split up, going to Streatham and Addington Village. Also, what if there was a disruption to the 466 between Addington and Croydon and there was a long wait? People for Caterham-Hill can just take the 60 straight there instead of waiting 30 mins or so for a 404 from Old Coulsdon to get to Caterham-on-the-Hill I don't think you've justified yourself brilliantly there. Extending the 60 further out when it's already a very long route would just make it more unreliable than it already is...it gets caught up in some terrible traffic through Streatham Common and London Road (it used to be one of my local routes). Plus I don't think the demand in the area would justify an extension. I understand you live in the Caterham-on-the-Hill area, so your views are totally biased, but if there was disruption on the 466 and you had a long wait for it then tough... it's part of life and happens to all of us. However, I don't think many of us would object to an extension of the 466 to Caterham Station... |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 8, 2014 16:37:48 GMT
vjaska,That hill is quite long, and to get to the station from Westway is at least a 15-20 minute walk unless you catch a 409. I thought of this idea because the 60 runs around different places to the 466 like Marpit Lane and New Hill whereas the 466 goes down Stoats Nest Village until the routes meet at Purley Tesco. After Fairfield Halls, the routes split up, going to Streatham and Addington Village. Also, what if there was a disruption to the 466 between Addington and Croydon and there was a long wait? People for Caterham-Hill can just take the 60 straight there instead of waiting 30 mins or so for a 404 from Old Coulsdon to get to Caterham-on-the-Hill I don't think you've justified yourself brilliantly there. Extending the 60 further out when it's already a very long route would just make it more unreliable than it already is...it gets caught up in some terrible traffic through Streatham Common and London Road (it used to be one of my local routes). Plus I don't think the demand in the area would justify an extension. I understand you live in the Caterham-on-the-Hill area, so your views are totally biased, but if there was disruption on the 466 and you had a long wait for it then tough... it's part of life and happens to all of us. However, I don't think many of us would object to an extension of the 466 to Caterham Station... It would be nice if TC could take the restrictions off the 2-series DW's, as they struggle on the hills on the 466  |
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Post by sid on Nov 8, 2014 17:31:10 GMT
Extend the 60 and N68 to Caterham-on-the-Hill. There is enough stand space at Westway to fit 2 466's, a 60, a 404 and a 400. Extending the N68 to Caterham-on-the Hill will make it so it runs from Central London right to the edge of London. The 466's are nearly empty on that section so another route really isn't needed, might be a case for the N68 though |
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Post by thesquirrels on Nov 8, 2014 17:53:00 GMT
Not sure there would be stand space at Caterham Station for the 407 and 466, it's a bit of a squeeze on that bit of road already. Why not send the 407 up the hill to Westway Common instead?
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 9, 2014 12:04:58 GMT
I'm in favour for an extension of the 466 to Caterham Station, it would probably add a bit of patronage to this lightly used end of the route. Also, I don't know if this is wise enough but perhaps allow Epsom to be the official terminus of the 166?, and reduce its frequency to every 20 mins. I wouldn't say it's crowded enough between Banstead and West Croydon to negate a 20 minute frequency throughout. School Hours maybe an issue though...
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 9, 2014 12:48:57 GMT
I'm in favour for an extension of the 466 to Caterham Station, it would probably add a bit of patronage to this lightly used end of the route. Also, I don't know if this is wise enough but perhaps allow Epsom to be the official terminus of the 166?, and reduce its frequency to every 20 mins. I wouldn't say it's crowded enough between Banstead and West Croydon to negate a 20 minute frequency throughout. School Hours maybe an issue though... I agree, an extension would be really helpful, especially for my daily school commute, but however stand space is an issue outside Caterham Station. That can be solved though by moving the taxi stand to the side road next to Waitrose. They could also divert a few 466 journeys into The Village (double deckers can easily fit there) so that people with an Oyster Card who wish to go to Caterham Station, like me, can use the 466 instead of the 409 |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 9, 2014 14:09:10 GMT
One way of allowing the 466 to serve Caterham is to re-route how it serves Westway, Chaldon Road & Coulsdon Road. At the moment, buses stand on Westway and then return to Addington via Chaldon Road & Coulsdon Road but my suggestion would be to allow buses towards Caterham-On-The-Hill to serve Coulsdon Road & Chaldon Road and then run down the hill to serve Caterham Village before using the roundabout to turn around, then run back up the hill to stand on Westway (opposite the current stand). Buses towards Addington Village would serve Westway, Coulsdon Road and Chaldon Road, then down to Caterham Village, back up the hill and then along Westway. It would a bit of time on but the 466 shouldn't have any issue coping with that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 4:48:19 GMT
extend 75 to south croydon
extend 213 to west croydon (midnight services stays at sutton)
cancel 36 24 hour and replace it with N36 (Catford to Willesden Junction via 436 then switches back to 36 to queens park and continue upwards to willesden)
extend 65 to Acton Main Line
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Post by vjaska on Nov 21, 2014 13:17:13 GMT
extend 75 to south croydon extend 213 to west croydon (midnight services stays at sutton) cancel 36 24 hour and replace it with N36 (Catford to Willesden Junction via 436 then switches back to 36 to queens park and continue upwards to willesden) extend 65 to Acton Main Line Any reasons why? Extending the 213 to West Croydon would make it a very lengthy route plus Sutton already has the 154, 407 & X26 serving West Croydon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 13:26:24 GMT
extend 75 to south croydon extend 213 to west croydon (midnight services stays at sutton) cancel 36 24 hour and replace it with N36 (Catford to Willesden Junction via 436 then switches back to 36 to queens park and continue upwards to willesden) extend 65 to Acton Main Line Any reasons why? Extending the 213 to West Croydon would make it a very lengthy route plus Sutton already has the 154, 407 & X26 serving West Croydon. I assume that he meant (re)extend the 213 to West Croydon at night which I would certainly agree with? I'm not too sure about the other suggestions though |
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