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Post by thesquirrels on Sept 6, 2014 17:54:36 GMT
Extend the 215 during the summer extension to Waltham Cross Bus Station via Sewardstone, Waltham Abbey & Eleanor Cross Road (if length is an issue, it can miss out Waltham Abbey via Meridan Way). The reason why I've suggested this is the Lea Valley Campsite brings buses from Harlow, Chingford & Walthamstow but not Waltham Cross which is the nearest town to the north west - anyone in this direction it seems would have to travel into London and then get the tube to Walthamstow and then a 215 to reach the campsite. I've no idea how loadings are, whether there would be any patronage along my suggested route or even if the extension would work outside the seasonal period that the 215 serves the campsite but I'm sure someone will tell me if it's viable or not lol. This is like one of the best idea on this thread (in my opinion  ) I think the extension would not need to be a seasonal one it could easily operate all year and just miss out the campsite in the summer. The camper would be able to access the site from Waltham Cross Station or Waltham Cross High Street with the 215. The direction the 215 comes into Waltham across is also way different to the other TfL routes. I know the 505 was mentioned but like it was mentioned this route goes to Chingford Station not Chingford Mount or Waltham Cross, it doesn't serve the campsite bus stop as well so camper would need to walk from Sewardstone Road. There is a sizeable new build estate along Meridian Way that currently isn't served by buses, along with an enormous Sainsburys distribution depot opened about 10 years ago - this is a round-the-clock operation employing over a thousand people. The stops are there but with nothing to serve them. Considering Snoggle's observations about passenger numbers at the Chingford end, I wonder if the 505's continued survival as a commercial operation at the London end partly owes itself to being the closest bus route to pass the area. I also wonder if there could be a justification for TfL providing a service from their area - both from Waltham Cross for other TfL routes (perhaps even running from the Enfield area) as well as the northern part of Waltham Forest, to link into the employment opportunities around there. It may well be a case of suppressed demand - people will not take the job in a public transport desert, or if commercial fare levels (or paying seperate TfL and non-TfL bus fares) prove prohibitively expensive. The 81 is a good example of a route which has boomed from taking people in the London area to job opportunities outside (Poyle, Langley, Slough), and doing so cheaply at that. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Sept 6, 2014 18:23:44 GMT
Ok.. a lazy route proposal. It provides a new service to the sparse/unserved parts of Enfield west of the A10 and provides the links discussed above:
327 or 342 (a nod to the old 242, if the 327 is not absorbed.. see below)
Enfield Town
Baker Street
Myddleton Avenue
Forty Hill
Bulls Cross & Myddleton House
Capel Manor College
Bullsmoor Lane
Elsinge Estate *
Turkey Street Station *
Freezywater *
Waltham Cross
Eleanor Cross Road
Meridian Way
Sewardstone Road
Chingford Station
Hourly with little single decks - a tester for demand, and anything bigger would struggle in Bulls Cross. Elsinge Estate routeing optional to absorb the 327, with a local enhancement to maintain the old frequency, but might make the route a bit too loopy for through passengers. 0600-2100 but with scope for later workings to meet shift needs at Sainsburys if demand is there. I think a Sunday service would be popular for the 'green' destinations around Forty Hill/Hall.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 6, 2014 18:45:02 GMT
There is a sizeable new build estate along Meridian Way that currently isn't served by buses, along with an enormous Sainsburys distribution depot opened about 10 years ago - this is a round-the-clock operation employing over a thousand people. The stops are there but with nothing to serve them. Considering Snoggle's observations about passenger numbers at the Chingford end, I wonder if the 505's continued survival as a commercial operation at the London end partly owes itself to being the closest bus route to pass the area. I also wonder if there could be a justification for TfL providing a service from their area - both from Waltham Cross for other TfL routes (perhaps even running from the Enfield area) as well as the northern part of Waltham Forest, to link into the employment opportunities around there. It may well be a case of suppressed demand - people will not take the job in a public transport desert, or if commercial fare levels (or paying seperate TfL and non-TfL bus fares) prove prohibitively expensive. The 81 is a good example of a route which has boomed from taking people in the London area to job opportunities outside (Poyle, Langley, Slough), and doing so cheaply at that. Clearly the dynamic local bus companies have decided there is no merit in serving Meridian Way despite the planners putting the space for stops in place. If TfL found the magic pot of gold at the end of the rainbow (or in Waltham Cross Bus Station) I'd say the simplest way to connect the area would be to extend the 327 from Waltham Cross to give a cross Waltham Cross service to Waltham Abbey via Meridian Way. It would also give a link to the future Overground at Waltham Cross station and the Lea Valley Water Park. The 327 is a fairly modest service so a good service to start with to see if the demand is there. I believe the 327's schedule has been decoupled from the 491 so it should only need an extra bus (depending on traffic congestion) based on current running times etc. EDIT - I had not seen the subsequent "route proposal" post before posting so great minds think alike and all that.  |
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Post by rmz19 on Sept 9, 2014 22:23:29 GMT
53 that bit further to Trafalgar Square
188 to Euston
14 to Euston
205 to Stratford (I know...again!)
9 to London Bridge
And what I would love...295 to Queens Park!.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 10, 2014 10:37:48 GMT
53 that bit further to Trafalgar Square 188 to Euston 14 to Euston 205 to Stratford (I know...again!) 9 to London Bridge And what I would love...295 to Queens Park!. What routes do you chuck out of Euston to allow those extensions? The bus station is overloaded. It only takes the slightest thing to cause buses to bypass the bus station under instruction from Centrecomm. Why's the extension of the 295 so special? Just curious. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 10, 2014 10:44:39 GMT
53 that bit further to Trafalgar Square 188 to Euston 14 to Euston 205 to Stratford (I know...again!) 9 to London Bridge And what I would love...295 to Queens Park!. 53 is close enough to TS really. If anything, I'd cut 188 back to Aldwych and extend at the NOG end to the new Sainsburys at Charlton (when it opens!) - I'm hoping provision will be made for a bus stand there. A cross-NOG link would I think be quite nice. 14 - nice to have, but no room at Euston. 9 - a nice idea - would you go via 15, then across London Bridge? 295 - don't know enough about the area to comment |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 11:00:34 GMT
283 to Willesdon Junction
105 to Terminal 5
467 to Hampton Court via Hinchley Wood and Thames Ditton
440 to Wembley Stadium
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2014 11:45:20 GMT
Discontinue the H14.
Extend the 187 from Central Middlesex Hospital to Hatch End via Abbey Road - Stonebridge Park - Harrow Road - Wembley - Crawford Avenue - Harrowdene Road - North Wembley - East Lane - Watford Road - Northwick Park Hospital - H14.
Withdraw the 7 between Brunel Road and East Acton Station and divert it to Ealing Broadway via 70 and 207.
Extend the 395 from Westway Cross to Perivale Medway Estate via Greenford Road - Horsenden Road North - Melville Avenue - Whitton Avenue East - Bridgewater Road - Alperton - Ealing Road - Glacier Way - Alperton Sainsbury's - Athlon Road - Manor Farm Road - Bilton Road - Horsenden Road South - Perivale Station - double run via Teignmouth Gardens and Bideford Avenue to Perivale Tesco - Welland Gardens.
Extend the 235 from Great West Quarter to Ealing Broadway via the 65.
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Post by Nathan on Sept 10, 2014 11:46:59 GMT
New KU5 route from Kingston Hill to Tolworth via the KU1 routing from K. Hill to Penryhn Road, then follows the 281 routing to Tolworth. The KU5 route will therefore be this:
Kingston Hill - Norbiton Church - Kingston, Fairfield Bus Station - Penryhn Road Campus - Surbiton Station - Surbiton - Ewell Road (A240) - Tolworth, Ewell Road (281 terminus).
The route will serve every stop between Surbiton and Tolworth, but will have limited stops between K. Hill and Surbiton Station.
Another new KU6 from Kingston Hospital (or Roehampton Vale) to Tolworth. The route will be this:
(Roehampton Vale - Kingston Hill) - Kingston Hospital - Norbiton Church - Fairfield Bus Station - Knights Hill Campus - Clayhill Halls of Residence - Berrylands Station (via K2 routing from Ewell Road) - Tolworth (265 terminus).
The section mirroring the K2 will be a hail and ride service for the KU6, as there will not be as many students getting off in this section. The idea of this route is to give students (in public sector housing as opposed to halls) free bus links to the some of the campuses. I purposely didn't make the route terminate at K. Hill as the bus stand/stop space is very tight, and other route such as the KU3 tend to wait at the stop until it is time to leave (as there is a strict schedule).
The KU5 will be a day (6:00 to 00:00) time route, ideally the KU6 would be 24hr but if that's not possible then it would be a day (6:00 to 00:00) time route instead.
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Post by rmz19 on Sept 10, 2014 18:43:43 GMT
53 that bit further to Trafalgar Square 188 to Euston 14 to Euston 205 to Stratford (I know...again!) 9 to London Bridge And what I would love...295 to Queens Park!. What routes do you chuck out of Euston to allow those extensions? The bus station is overloaded. It only takes the slightest thing to cause buses to bypass the bus station under instruction from Centrecomm. Why's the extension of the 295 so special? Just curious. Well the 476 could be extended to Baker Street, and the 14 could use the 476 stand space. As for the 295, it would open up more connections with the Bakerloo line, and it would help out the 316 between White City and Queens Park....and partly for being selfish as it's my area lol |
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Post by rmz19 on Sept 10, 2014 19:14:33 GMT
53 that bit further to Trafalgar Square 188 to Euston 14 to Euston 205 to Stratford (I know...again!) 9 to London Bridge And what I would love...295 to Queens Park!. 53 is close enough to TS really. If anything, I'd cut 188 back to Aldwych and extend at the NOG end to the new Sainsburys at Charlton (when it opens!) - I'm hoping provision will be made for a bus stand there. A cross-NOG link would I think be quite nice. 14 - nice to have, but no room at Euston. 9 - a nice idea - would you go via 15, then across London Bridge? 295 - don't know enough about the area to comment Yes true, but it would be more convenient if it continues to Trafalgar square and stand on Northumberland Avenue, or the destination could be re-blinded as Trafalgar Square! lol. As for the 188, your idea sounds good, wouldn't that make it rather long time-wise though?, regarding the Central London terminus how about we meet in the middle?...Holborn lol. As for the 9, yes that was the intention, that way there would be a direct link to the West End from London Bridge and vice versa. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2014 19:28:37 GMT
53 that bit further to Trafalgar Square 188 to Euston 14 to Euston 205 to Stratford (I know...again!) 9 to London Bridge And what I would love...295 to Queens Park!. 53 is close enough to TS really. If anything, I'd cut 188 back to Aldwych and extend at the NOG end to the new Sainsburys at Charlton (when it opens!) - I'm hoping provision will be made for a bus stand there. A cross-NOG link would I think be quite nice. 14 - nice to have, but no room at Euston. 9 - a nice idea - would you go via 15, then across London Bridge? 295 - don't know enough about the area to comment I like that 188 idea, both cutting it back to Aldwych and extension to the future Charlton, Sainsbury's. That would open up some good links. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2014 19:33:43 GMT
What routes do you chuck out of Euston to allow those extensions? The bus station is overloaded. It only takes the slightest thing to cause buses to bypass the bus station under instruction from Centrecomm. Why's the extension of the 295 so special? Just curious. Well the 476 could be extended to Baker Street, and the 14 could use the 476 stand space. As for the 295, it would open up more connections with the Bakerloo line, and it would help out the 316 between White City and Queens Park....and partly for being selfish as it's my area lol With regards to the 14 and insufficient space at Euston, why not extend it to Kings Cross Station and terminate it round the back of the station? |
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Post by Unorm on Sept 10, 2014 19:35:03 GMT
New KU5 route from Kingston Hill to Tolworth via the KU1 routing from K. Hill to Penryhn Road, then follows the 281 routing to Tolworth. The KU5 route will therefore be this: Kingston Hill - Norbiton Church - Kingston, Fairfield Bus Station - Penryhn Road Campus - Surbiton Station - Surbiton - Ewell Road (A240) - Tolworth, Ewell Road (281 terminus). The route will serve every stop between Surbiton and Tolworth, but will have limited stops between K. Hill and Surbiton Station. Another new KU6 from Kingston Hospital (or Roehampton Vale) to Tolworth. The route will be this: (Roehampton Vale - Kingston Hill) - Kingston Hospital - Norbiton Church - Fairfield Bus Station - Knights Hill Campus - Clayhill Halls of Residence - Berrylands Station (via K2 routing from Ewell Road) - Tolworth (265 terminus). The section mirroring the K2 will be a hail and ride service for the KU6, as there will not be as many students getting off in this section. The idea of this route is to give students (in public sector housing as opposed to halls) free bus links to the some of the campuses. I purposely didn't make the route terminate at K. Hill as the bus stand/stop space is very tight, and other route such as the KU3 tend to wait at the stop until it is time to leave (as there is a strict schedule). The KU5 will be a day (6:00 to 00:00) time route, ideally the KU6 would be 24hr but if that's not possible then it would be a day (6:00 to 00:00) time route instead. There already is a KU5  |
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Post by rmz19 on Sept 10, 2014 19:45:06 GMT
Well the 476 could be extended to Baker Street, and the 14 could use the 476 stand space. As for the 295, it would open up more connections with the Bakerloo line, and it would help out the 316 between White City and Queens Park....and partly for being selfish as it's my area lol With regards to the 14 and insufficient space at Euston, why not extend it to Kings Cross Station and terminate it round the back of the station? That also sounds like a great idea. Apart from the tube, it would also be the only bus link between Piccadilly Circus and Kings Cross. |
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