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Post by vjaska on Jun 7, 2019 16:51:35 GMT
I didn't realise the 432 had dropped to 5pph. Thou originally it was every 8 mins (old 2 freq maintained). I wonder why the increase as bar off peak the 432 isn't rammed (neither the 2 now it has the 415 support). Err, the 2 & 432 are still very much busy as I've explained to you previously irrespective of the 415's existence. The 432 regularly leaves Brixton absolutely rammed and leaves people behind - the 2 empties between Tulse Hill & West Norwood with a few stragglers staying on for the station & garage. |
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Post by rif153 on Jun 7, 2019 16:55:42 GMT
The frequency increase on the 432 is a welcome surprise. A frequency cut to the 12 was inevitable, high frequencies like the 12's are hard to justify with falling bus usage but I for one disagree with them. I would like to see some buses turned short at Peckham however because I do think the 12's frequency is a little excessive on the final leg of the route but for the rest of the route I believe the current frequency is fine. I wonder what will happen with the surplus LTs, moved to the 176 perhaps? I'm really quite shocked about the frequency reduction on the 12, plus of course the 53 being withdrawn from Whitehall is likely to increase its workload. There is plenty of scope for making the same savings elsewhere, why the 12 which generally still seems quite busy apart from the Dulwich section which is over bussed. I would imagine surplus LTs will go onto the 176? The 432 increase is a bit of a surprise although the Anerley bit is a waste of resources. Really it would be nice if the 432 went futher east than Anerley, on to Elmers End or Bromley as there aren't enough radial connections in South London |
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Post by snowman on Jun 7, 2019 17:05:36 GMT
Just updated, minutes before afternoon ended at 6pm (it wasn’t there at 5:52pm) content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-permanent-bus-changes.pdfChanges to 30 June (note it says report is being discontinued in current format) 30 pages long, but forward dated info only starts page 20 All Central London changes on 15 June (already discussed in this thread) 3, 4, 9, 12, 14, 40, 45, 53, 59, 67, 776, 100, 134, 149, 171, 172, 188, 205, 242, 341, 343, 388, 468, 476, N205, N242, (then out of numeric order) N53, N9, RV1 then Mon 17 June 35 frequency increase Extra peak journey on 46 X68 changes to termini B13 fixed stops introduced 29 June 326 rerouted Monday 1st July 282 (various changes including references to tranches, very customer friendly wording not), and yes cover does say upto 30 June even though it includes this July one. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 7, 2019 17:06:14 GMT
I'm really quite shocked about the frequency reduction on the 12, plus of course the 53 being withdrawn from Whitehall is likely to increase its workload. There is plenty of scope for making the same savings elsewhere, why the 12 which generally still seems quite busy apart from the Dulwich section which is over bussed. I would imagine surplus LTs will go onto the 176? The 432 increase is a bit of a surprise although the Anerley bit is a waste of resources. Really it would be nice if the 432 went futher east than Anerley, on to Elmers End or Bromley as there aren't enough radial connections in South London I think Bromley is too far but certainly Elmers End makes a lot of sense as it creates a direct link between there & Palace which is currently achieved by taking a tour of Penge & Beckenham on the 358. It also creates a link from Tramlink up to Palace which is a small consolation for Tramlink not serving Palace  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 17:07:37 GMT
Seems like they've finally given up trying to publish it...
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Post by sid on Jun 7, 2019 17:08:01 GMT
I'm really quite shocked about the frequency reduction on the 12, plus of course the 53 being withdrawn from Whitehall is likely to increase its workload. There is plenty of scope for making the same savings elsewhere, why the 12 which generally still seems quite busy apart from the Dulwich section which is over bussed. I would imagine surplus LTs will go onto the 176? The 432 increase is a bit of a surprise although the Anerley bit is a waste of resources. Really it would be nice if the 432 went futher east than Anerley, on to Elmers End or Bromley as there aren't enough radial connections in South London Possibly although it might end up largely duplicating the 358. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 7, 2019 17:21:25 GMT
Just updated, minutes before afternoon ended at 6pm content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-permanent-bus-changes.pdfChanges to 30 June (note it says report is being discontinued in current format 30 pages long, but forward dated info only starts page 20 All Central London changes on 15 June (already discussed in this thread) then Mon 17 June 35 frequency increase Extra peak journey on 46 X68 changes to termini B13 fixed stops introduced 29 June 326 rerouted Monday 1st July 282 (various changes including references to tranches, very customer friendly wording not) They may have published by their new deadline but no one has sat down and read it before publication. Far too many internal references to documents, meetings and systems that most outside of TfL would not know about. Also uncertainty about terminating / commencing stops and use of bus stop codes that no one outside of TfL will recognise. The phraseology of some of the 15th June changes also makes it seem they are not confirmed whereas they are all going ahead (I assume). I struggle to see how anyone let this out of the door given they've had weeks to get this right. |
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Post by danorak on Jun 7, 2019 17:22:04 GMT
Just updated, minutes before afternoon ended at 6pm content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-permanent-bus-changes.pdfChanges to 30 June (note it says report is being discontinued in current format 30 pages long, but forward dated info only starts page 20 All Central London changes on 15 June (already discussed in this thread) then Mon 17 June 35 frequency increase Extra peak journey on 46 X68 changes to termini B13 fixed stops introduced 29 June 326 rerouted Monday 1st July 282 (various changes including references to tranches, very customer friendly wording not) Seeing as they've given up on this it shouldn't be too surprising but this issue is a mess. A mix of very vague descriptions ("It is proposed to withdraw the route between Elephant & Castle and Aldgate and extend it to Clerkenwell Green"), irrelevant operational detail (SLIGHT REDUCTION IN FREQUENCY AS PER BSM 553) and unresolved internal questions (THIS STOP IS IN BOROUGH ROAD - I THINK THIS WILL BE THE FIRST STOP TOO). Frank Pick could power the National Grid at the moment. |
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Post by snowman on Jun 7, 2019 17:27:12 GMT
Just spotted the Header on this page is missing N53 in the list of Central London bus changes routes tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/permanent-bus-changes?intcmp=47904The publication suggests N53 is new as 53 is no longer a 24 hour route But link above (when scroll down to South/South East section) says something completely different Route N53 will continue to serve stops as far as Whitehall, Horse Guards Parade at night. New or continue to ? Baffling |
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Post by rif153 on Jun 7, 2019 17:29:24 GMT
Just updated, minutes before afternoon ended at 6pm (it wasn’t there at 5:52pm) content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-permanent-bus-changes.pdfChanges to 30 June (note it says report is being discontinued in current format) 30 pages long, but forward dated info only starts page 20 All Central London changes on 15 June (already discussed in this thread) 3, 4, 9, 12, 14, 40, 45, 53, 59, 67, 776, 100, 134, 149, 171, 172, 188, 205, 242, 341, 343, 388, 468, 476, N205, N242, (then out of numeric order) N53, N9, RV1 then Mon 17 June 35 frequency increase Extra peak journey on 46 X68 changes to termini B13 fixed stops introduced 29 June 326 rerouted Monday 1st July 282 (various changes including references to tranches, very customer friendly wording not), and yes cover does say upto 30 June even though it includes this July one. The question mark after Whitehall Horse Guards on the 3 change looks ridculous |
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Post by lundnah on Jun 7, 2019 17:57:24 GMT
"It is proposed to introduce a Northbound AM peak journey (LAST SENTENCE NOW REMOVED FROM BUSNET)" "Buses on Route N73 will now operate via Tottenham Court Roa7" "Towards Kings Cross one trip would be withdrawn from Brixton garage between 0741 and 0840, reducing the frequency from 11bph to 10bph, but still maintaining the pinchpoint of every 6 minutes at Waterloo between 0715 and 0900." "Monday to Friday peak frequencies reduced from 11 bph to 10 bph with journeys." "The schedule that will be introduced is a roadworks schedule to mitigate for New Cross gas works, therfore the proposed PM peak frequency increase will be from 6bph to 6.5bph from Grove Park to Elephant & Castle. (The Grove Park roadworks schedule is removed.)" "The first stop towards Catford would be stop 33137 on London Road" "The route will no longer serve Theobold Road, Greys Inn Road, Holborn Road and Fetter Lane" "NOTE: the above was proposed as part of Tranche 672 to be introduced prior to the start of the new contract, subject to costs."
It may have become a mockery of a document, but blimey, we're going to miss it when it's gone. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 7, 2019 18:07:35 GMT
"It is proposed to introduce a Northbound AM peak journey (LAST SENTENCE NOW REMOVED FROM BUSNET)" "Buses on Route N73 will now operate via Tottenham Court Roa7" "Towards Kings Cross one trip would be withdrawn from Brixton garage between 0741 and 0840, reducing the frequency from 11bph to 10bph, but still maintaining the pinchpoint of every 6 minutes at Waterloo between 0715 and 0900." "Monday to Friday peak frequencies reduced from 11 bph to 10 bph with journeys." "The schedule that will be introduced is a roadworks schedule to mitigate for New Cross gas works, therfore the proposed PM peak frequency increase will be from 6bph to 6.5bph from Grove Park to Elephant & Castle. (The Grove Park roadworks schedule is removed.)" "The first stop towards Catford would be stop 33137 on London Road" "The route will no longer serve Theobold Road, Greys Inn Road, Holborn Road and Fetter Lane" "NOTE: the above was proposed as part of Tranche 672 to be introduced prior to the start of the new contract, subject to costs."
It may have become a mockery of a document, but blimey, we're going to miss it when it's gone. Some more funny quotes. From the 59s entry: and arguably one of the best  Well it's one way to go out with a Bang. |
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Post by danorak on Jun 7, 2019 21:20:11 GMT
"It is proposed to introduce a Northbound AM peak journey (LAST SENTENCE NOW REMOVED FROM BUSNET)" "Buses on Route N73 will now operate via Tottenham Court Roa7" "Towards Kings Cross one trip would be withdrawn from Brixton garage between 0741 and 0840, reducing the frequency from 11bph to 10bph, but still maintaining the pinchpoint of every 6 minutes at Waterloo between 0715 and 0900." "Monday to Friday peak frequencies reduced from 11 bph to 10 bph with journeys." "The schedule that will be introduced is a roadworks schedule to mitigate for New Cross gas works, therfore the proposed PM peak frequency increase will be from 6bph to 6.5bph from Grove Park to Elephant & Castle. (The Grove Park roadworks schedule is removed.)" "The first stop towards Catford would be stop 33137 on London Road" "The route will no longer serve Theobold Road, Greys Inn Road, Holborn Road and Fetter Lane" "NOTE: the above was proposed as part of Tranche 672 to be introduced prior to the start of the new contract, subject to costs." It may have become a mockery of a document, but blimey, we're going to miss it when it's gone. And I've just noticed that the details in the 'borough index' haven't been updated beyond 20 April. |
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Post by enviro101 on Jun 8, 2019 14:36:57 GMT
Route 166 to receive extra buses from next month for the lavender field but journeys will only start from purley to banstead. Inside source not sure where they are gunna get the buses from tho
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Post by snoggle on Jun 8, 2019 15:28:46 GMT
Route 166 to receive extra buses from next month for the lavender field but journeys will only start from purley to banstead. Inside source not sure where they are gunna get the buses from tho Surplus from the 393 and not needed for the GOBLIN standby service?? |
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