Upcoming changes

[londonbuses]

Nov 17, 2023 11:11:04 GMT southlondon413 said:

Nov 16, 2023 23:10:10 GMT londonbuses said:

I doubt it will cause a problem, the 213 has converted even with stand issues for some of its turns. The New Malden Fountain turn will probably just be altered so buses turn around at the roundabout just like the 213 does.

Luckily I don't think we'll be seeing any more of those Metrodeckers, I would expect Electroliners to be ordered for any routes that have issues with E400EVs.

I severely doubt it will. The council has recently signed off a design to remove the fibreglass fountain and replace it with a nature inspired Japanese style design. The works will potentially add a much needed crossing on Kingston Road adjacent to the bus stops but sadly don’t include any changes to the bus stand, if anything there will slightly less space there.

I meant the turning arrangements will be altered so buses on the 131 and 265 just turn around at the roundabout and don't stand as opposed to using the 152's stand, I agree that it's very unlikely they will do anything to sort out the stand. That crossing is certainly needed, just a few days ago I saw someone nearly get hit by a car when trying to cross over to catch a 131.

[southlondon413]

Nov 17, 2023 11:45:25 GMT londonbuses said:

Nov 17, 2023 11:11:04 GMT southlondon413 said:

I severely doubt it will. The council has recently signed off a design to remove the fibreglass fountain and replace it with a nature inspired Japanese style design. The works will potentially add a much needed crossing on Kingston Road adjacent to the bus stops but sadly don’t include any changes to the bus stand, if anything there will slightly less space there. Removing the option of the Fountain stand means more 213 buses have to go through to Coombe Road to stand at Coombe Girls meaning better access to the station.

I meant the turning arrangements will be altered so buses on the 131 and 265 just turn around at the roundabout and don't stand as opposed to using the 152's stand, I agree that it's very unlikely they will do anything to sort out the stand. That crossing is certainly needed, just a few days ago I saw someone nearly get hit by a car when trying to cross over to catch a 131.

They already can turn around at the roundabout, numerous 152 buses during the peaks will often just set down at Walton Avenue and go straight back towards Pollards Hill.

[M1104]

Nov 16, 2023 21:18:55 GMT londonbuses said:

Nov 16, 2023 20:12:44 GMT kermit463 said:

Is the 152 finally getting a PVR increase??

Unfortunately not, and I can't see it being increased anytime soon. It really should be decked, with the New Malden stand altered to allow 10.8m electrics to use it (and that stand is going to become an issue soon when the 131 and 265, which regularly turn there, convert to electrics).

A pity the 152 wasn't an existing bus spec with hybrid deckers, in practice solving both capacity and street infrastructure issues (after a bit of tree trimming for the latter).

[WH241]

Nov 17, 2023 1:33:27 GMT MCV21 said:

Oct 26, 2023 0:18:48 GMT M1104 said:

According to this month's LOTS publication the 211 will be rerouted to Battersea Power Station from Saturday November 18th, the 77 thus on the same day rerouted via Station Approach for Waterloo Station.

A very reliable source isn’t it?

They can only go by information that’s available at the time. Things can and do change so this doesn’t make LOTS an unreliable source.

[justjxck1994]

New route SL10 introduced - 25 November 2023

New route SL10 will run as an express bus service between Harrow Bus Station and North Finchley Bus Station via Kenton, Kingsbury, Hendon and Finchley Central.

Route SL10 will run every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturday and every 15 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays.

First buses will be timed to depart North Finchley Bus Station at 0500 on all days of the week
First buses will be timed to depart Harrow Bus Station at 0515 on all days of the week
Last buses will be timed to depart North Finchley Bus Station at 0030 on all days of the week
Last buses will be timed to depart Harrow Bus Station at 0045 on all days of the week

Route SL10 will call at the following bus stops towards North Finchley
Bus Stop E at Harrow Bus Station
Bus Stop HH at Kenton Station
Bus Stop U named Kenton Road / Kenton Lane located on Kenton Road
The Unlettered Bus Stop on Kenton Road named Kenton / Charlton Road
Bus Stop A at Kingsbury Station
Bus Stop B named Kingsbury Road / Roe Green located on Kingsbury Road
Bus Stop HB named Hendon Magistrates Court located on The Hyde
Bus Stop HD at Hendon Station
Bus Stop A at Hendon Central Station
Bus Stop S named Hendon / The Quadrant located on Finchley Lane
Bus Stop C at Finchley Central Station
Terminating at bus stop S outside North Finchley Bus Station located on Kingsway

Route SL10 will call at the following bus stops towards Harrow:

Bus Stop H named North Finchley High Road located on Woodhouse Road
Bus Stop P inside North Finchley Bus Station
Bus Stop D at Finchley Central Station
Bus Stop T named Hendon / The Quadrant located on Finchley Lane
Bus Stop B at Hendon Central Station
Bus Stop HE at Hendon Station
Bus Stop HP named Hendon Magistrates Court located on The Broadway
Bus Stop H named Kingsbury / Pipers Green located on Kingsbury Road
Bus Stop B at Kingsbury Station
The Unlettered Bus Stop on Kenton Road named Kenton / Charlton Road
Bus Stop H named Woodcock Hill / Kenton Lane located on Kenton Road
Bus Stop II at Kenton Station
Terminating at bus stop B in Harrow Bus Station

Route SL10 will be run by RATP using electric double deck buses and will be part of the Superloop brand.

[M1104]

Nov 17, 2023 10:37:14 GMT M1104 said:

Nov 16, 2023 22:29:47 GMT southlondonbus said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see electrolyners for any routes with length issues now. I still wonder if the 262, 321, 333 and 473 will be a break from the City with the new E400.

I do wonder that myself, especially where Arriva since gaining Electroliners have had multiple workings of it on the 333 yet none with the E400EVs.

Having said that E400EV's EA8 is presently on the 333, the very next day lol

[M1104]

Nov 18, 2023 14:16:06 GMT M1104 said:

Nov 17, 2023 10:37:14 GMT M1104 said:

I do wonder that myself, especially where Arriva since gaining Electroliners have had multiple workings of it on the 333 yet none with the E400EVs.

Having said that E400EV's EA8 is presently on the 333, the very next day lol

Having now said that it's since back on the 319.

[vjaska]

Nov 18, 2023 14:16:06 GMT M1104 said:

Nov 17, 2023 10:37:14 GMT M1104 said:

I do wonder that myself, especially where Arriva since gaining Electroliners have had multiple workings of it on the 333 yet none with the E400EVs.

Having said that E400EV's EA8 is presently on the 333, the very next day lol

I believe an EA has done the 333 before, possibly 2-3 times even though each time they were quickly subbed

[SILENCED]

Nov 18, 2023 14:58:39 GMT M1104 said:

Nov 18, 2023 14:16:06 GMT M1104 said:

Having said that E400EV's EA8 is presently on the 333, the very next day lol

Having now said that it's since back on the 319.

According to bustimes, looks like it subbed for HV24, went down to Tooting, got back to BN, tried to sub it forE32 unsuccessfully, trip dropped and HV33 picking up the duty on its return at BN. Net result the 2 HVs swapped routes?

[capitalomnibus]

A few upcoming changes keep forgetting to post

ROUTE SL1 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 11 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE

ROUTE SL1 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 9 BUSES

ROUTE SL1 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 11 BUSES


ROUTE 34 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 17 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE & REVISED STAND(S)

ROUTE 34 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 34 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 18 BUSES


ROUTE 329 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 15 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW ALLOCATION

ROUTE 329 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 329 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 15 BUSES

Recent changes already happened

ROUTE 102 SATURDAY 18 11 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE – REVISED DUTY SCHEDULE

ROUTE 102 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 16 BUSES

ROUTE 102 MONDAY TO THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES

ROUTE 102 FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES


ROUTE 375 MONDAY TO FRIDAY 13 11 2023
ALLOCATION - GRAYS 1 BUS
REASON FOR CHANGE - OPERATING REQUEST


ROUTE 221 SATURDAY 4 11 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE 221 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 221 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 23 BUSES


ROUTE 38 SATURDAY 11 11 2023
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - ROUTE TENDERING

ROUTE 38 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 29 BUSES

ROUTE 38 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES

ROUTE 38 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES

ROUTE N38 FRIDAY NIGHT/SATURDAY MORNING 10 11 2023/11 11 2023
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 12 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - ROUTE TENDERING

ROUTE N38 SATURDAY NIGHT/SUNDAY MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 12 BUSES

ROUTE N38 SUNDAY NIGHT/MONDAY MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 9 BUSES

ROUTE N38 MON-THUR NIGHT/TUES-FRI MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 9 BUSES


ROUTE W4 SATURDAY 28 10 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE

ROUTE W4 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES

ROUTE W4 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES


ROUTE 279 SATURDAY 14 10 2023
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 24 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE 279 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 17 BUSES

ROUTE 279 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 30 BUSES

ROUTE 279 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 30 BUSES


ROUTE W3 SATURDAY 14 10 23
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 18 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE W3 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES

ROUTE W3 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES

ROUTE W3 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES


ROUTE 59 MONDAY TO FRIDAY 2 10 2023
ALLOCATION - BRIXTON 22 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE

[Busboy105]

What's the 375 change about?

[capitalomnibus]

Nov 20, 2023 7:20:50 GMT Busboy105 said:

What's the 375 change about?

Timing of the departures on one of the school time trips

[DE20106]

Nov 20, 2023 0:10:55 GMT capitalomnibus said:

A few upcoming changes keep forgetting to post

ROUTE W3 SATURDAY 14 10 23
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 18 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE W3 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES

ROUTE W3 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES

ROUTE W3 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES

So it looks like the W3 isn’t getting a PVR cut to 19 after all then

[MKAY315]

Nov 20, 2023 0:10:55 GMT capitalomnibus said:

A few upcoming changes keep forgetting to post

ROUTE SL1 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 11 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE

ROUTE SL1 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 9 BUSES

ROUTE SL1 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 11 BUSES


ROUTE 34 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 17 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE & REVISED STAND(S)

ROUTE 34 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 34 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 18 BUSES


ROUTE 329 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 15 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW ALLOCATION

ROUTE 329 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 329 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 15 BUSES

Recent changes already happened

ROUTE 102 SATURDAY 18 11 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE – REVISED DUTY SCHEDULE

ROUTE 102 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 16 BUSES

ROUTE 102 MONDAY TO THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES

ROUTE 102 FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES


ROUTE 375 MONDAY TO FRIDAY 13 11 2023
ALLOCATION - GRAYS 1 BUS
REASON FOR CHANGE - OPERATING REQUEST


ROUTE 221 SATURDAY 4 11 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE 221 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 221 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 23 BUSES


ROUTE 38 SATURDAY 11 11 2023
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - ROUTE TENDERING

ROUTE 38 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 29 BUSES

ROUTE 38 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES

ROUTE 38 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES

ROUTE N38 FRIDAY NIGHT/SATURDAY MORNING 10 11 2023/11 11 2023
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 12 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - ROUTE TENDERING

ROUTE N38 SATURDAY NIGHT/SUNDAY MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 12 BUSES

ROUTE N38 SUNDAY NIGHT/MONDAY MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 9 BUSES

ROUTE N38 MON-THUR NIGHT/TUES-FRI MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 9 BUSES


ROUTE W4 SATURDAY 28 10 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE

ROUTE W4 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES

ROUTE W4 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES


ROUTE 279 SATURDAY 14 10 2023
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 24 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE 279 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 17 BUSES

ROUTE 279 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 30 BUSES

ROUTE 279 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 30 BUSES


ROUTE W3 SATURDAY 14 10 23
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 18 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE W3 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES

ROUTE W3 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES

ROUTE W3 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES


ROUTE 59 MONDAY TO FRIDAY 2 10 2023
ALLOCATION - BRIXTON 22 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE

Even though some have said the W3 will be getting the buses from the 78 is there enough buses from that route to convert it to hybrids or will it need some from the southern garages to complete it?

[vjaska]

Nov 20, 2023 14:17:24 GMT MKAY315 said:

Nov 20, 2023 0:10:55 GMT capitalomnibus said:

A few upcoming changes keep forgetting to post

ROUTE SL1 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 11 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE

ROUTE SL1 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 9 BUSES

ROUTE SL1 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 11 BUSES


ROUTE 34 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 17 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE & REVISED STAND(S)

ROUTE 34 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 34 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 18 BUSES


ROUTE 329 SATURDAY 9 12 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 15 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW ALLOCATION

ROUTE 329 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 329 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 15 BUSES

Recent changes already happened

ROUTE 102 SATURDAY 18 11 2023
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE – REVISED DUTY SCHEDULE

ROUTE 102 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 16 BUSES

ROUTE 102 MONDAY TO THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES

ROUTE 102 FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - PALMERS GREEN 25 BUSES


ROUTE 375 MONDAY TO FRIDAY 13 11 2023
ALLOCATION - GRAYS 1 BUS
REASON FOR CHANGE - OPERATING REQUEST


ROUTE 221 SATURDAY 4 11 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE 221 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES

ROUTE 221 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 23 BUSES


ROUTE 38 SATURDAY 11 11 2023
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - ROUTE TENDERING

ROUTE 38 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 29 BUSES

ROUTE 38 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES

ROUTE 38 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 36 BUSES

ROUTE N38 FRIDAY NIGHT/SATURDAY MORNING 10 11 2023/11 11 2023
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 12 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - ROUTE TENDERING

ROUTE N38 SATURDAY NIGHT/SUNDAY MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 12 BUSES

ROUTE N38 SUNDAY NIGHT/MONDAY MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 9 BUSES

ROUTE N38 MON-THUR NIGHT/TUES-FRI MORNING
ALLOCATION - CLAPTON 9 BUSES


ROUTE W4 SATURDAY 28 10 2023
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE

ROUTE W4 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES

ROUTE W4 MONDAY TO FRIDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 14 BUSES


ROUTE 279 SATURDAY 14 10 2023
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 24 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE 279 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 17 BUSES

ROUTE 279 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 30 BUSES

ROUTE 279 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - ENFIELD 30 BUSES


ROUTE W3 SATURDAY 14 10 23
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 18 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - NEW SERVICE TENDER

ROUTE W3 SUNDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 13 BUSES

ROUTE W3 MON, TUES, WED & THURSDAY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES

ROUTE W3 FRIDAY ONLY
ALLOCATION - WOOD GREEN 21 BUSES


ROUTE 59 MONDAY TO FRIDAY 2 10 2023
ALLOCATION - BRIXTON 22 BUSES
REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE

Even though some have said the W3 will be getting the buses from the 78 is there enough buses from that route to convert it to hybrids or will it need some from the southern garages to complete it?

Nope, a few more will needed to be poached even if the W3's cut to 19 happens as there is 18 at AE on the 78 so another 2-3 is needed at least. I imagine HA20 will return to TH from AE once the 78 is lost as well.