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Post by TB123 on Jan 9, 2024 22:40:07 GMT
Agree, never been a fan of the 228 since it was introduced. It’s a meandering mess that can be replaced by other existing connections. For a single decker in zone 1 to only run every 30 minutes indicates a failure in demand. Its a zone 2 route but your point definitely still stands, can’t think of any zone 2 routes that are very 30 minutes. Didn’t it used to be every 12? A meandering mess is certainly a good description. To me it does truly define a pointless route, and not even in the slightest bit interesting The 228 eventually is envisaged to return to being a 5bph route with double decks. It'll be a totally different beast when Old Oak Common station opens and the various new housing schemes come online, around the time the 7-year tender concludes in 2031 funnily enough. The HS2 works and the usual trials and tribulations of inner London bus operator have taken its toll, but it should almost certainly survive.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 9, 2024 22:47:21 GMT
There is the 424, also running every half-hourly within zone 2. Doh, that also reminds of the 485 as well 😂 They do have entirely different purposes though, they serve isolated communities that heavily depend on a local bus link, almost like an inner London 389/399, rather than a route which has been continuously slashed because it’s a lost cause The 485 doesn't qualify bar the new Riverside section - the rest of the route is traversed by over routes and unlike the 228, I do think it can be argued that the 485 could be merged into something else and more frequent because the every 30 minute frequency is useless in Inner London. If the 228 frequency wasn't cut in the first place, it might actually do better even with it's convoluted routing.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 9, 2024 23:08:19 GMT
Its a zone 2 route but your point definitely still stands, can’t think of any zone 2 routes that are very 30 minutes. Didn’t it used to be every 12? A meandering mess is certainly a good description. To me it does truly define a pointless route, and not even in the slightest bit interesting The 228 eventually is envisaged to return to being a 5bph route with double decks. It'll be a totally different beast when Old Oak Common station opens and the various new housing schemes come online, around the time the 7-year tender concludes in 2031 funnily enough. The HS2 works and the usual trials and tribulations of inner London bus operator have taken its toll, but it should almost certainly survive. Exactly, it’s being kept on for the time being in anticipation of demand rising on the Old Oak section in the future. Personally I think it could still do with a review, as the two halves of the route are imbalanced. The section east of Shepherds Bush Green had a decent patronage before the frequency was slashed. I’ve wondered about rerouting the 272 at White City Station to run to Maida Hill instead. I thought double decks were prevented from using Old Oak Lane due to the low bridge?
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Post by COBO on Jan 9, 2024 23:14:47 GMT
The 228 eventually is envisaged to return to being a 5bph route with double decks. It'll be a totally different beast when Old Oak Common station opens and the various new housing schemes come online, around the time the 7-year tender concludes in 2031 funnily enough. The HS2 works and the usual trials and tribulations of inner London bus operator have taken its toll, but it should almost certainly survive. Exactly, it’s being kept on for the time being in anticipation of demand rising on the Old Oak section in the future. Personally I think it could still do with a review, as the two halves of the route are imbalanced. The section east of Shepherds Bush Green had a decent patronage before the frequency was slashed. I’ve wondered about rerouting the 272 at White City Station to run to Maida Hill instead. I thought double decks were prevented from using Old Oak Lane due to the low bridge? The road under the low bridge is being lowered to allow double deckers.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 9, 2024 23:15:50 GMT
The 228 eventually is envisaged to return to being a 5bph route with double decks. It'll be a totally different beast when Old Oak Common station opens and the various new housing schemes come online, around the time the 7-year tender concludes in 2031 funnily enough. The HS2 works and the usual trials and tribulations of inner London bus operator have taken its toll, but it should almost certainly survive. Exactly, it’s being kept on for the time being in anticipation of demand rising on the Old Oak section in the future. Personally I think it could still do with a review, as the two halves of the route are imbalanced. The section east of Shepherds Bush Green had a decent patronage before the frequency was slashed. I’ve wondered about rerouting the 272 at White City Station to run to Maida Hill instead. I thought double decks were prevented from using Old Oak Lane due to the low bridge? Old Oak Lane bridge will be replaced later this decade with a new one that can handle double deck vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if it does get split either, but both portions have a long future ahead as parts of the TfL network I suspect - especially the presently "underwhelming" portion up to CMH.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 9, 2024 23:22:54 GMT
The 228 eventually is envisaged to return to being a 5bph route with double decks. It'll be a totally different beast when Old Oak Common station opens and the various new housing schemes come online, around the time the 7-year tender concludes in 2031 funnily enough. The HS2 works and the usual trials and tribulations of inner London bus operator have taken its toll, but it should almost certainly survive. Exactly, it’s being kept on for the time being in anticipation of demand rising on the Old Oak section in the future. Personally I think it could still do with a review, as the two halves of the route are imbalanced. The section east of Shepherds Bush Green had a decent patronage before the frequency was slashed. I’ve wondered about rerouting the 272 at White City Station to run to Maida Hill instead. I thought double decks were prevented from using Old Oak Lane due to the low bridge? I definitely agree the 228 should be split. Perhaps merge the western end with the 283? So basically the current 228 from Park Royal to White City, then down via Shepherds Bush Green to terminate at Hammersmith. Plus maybe a short extension of the C1 to the White City Estate (replacing the rest of the 283) - terminating in a loop, which importantly would allow some of these roads to be served in both directions. I wonder if the eastern end of the 228 is really needed though? More frequent alternatives like the 31/295/316 are available for similar links. Maybe increase the 31's frequency?
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 9, 2024 23:29:24 GMT
Doh, that also reminds of the 485 as well 😂 They do have entirely different purposes though, they serve isolated communities that heavily depend on a local bus link, almost like an inner London 389/399, rather than a route which has been continuously slashed because it’s a lost cause The 485 doesn't qualify bar the new Riverside section - the rest of the route is traversed by over routes and unlike the 228, I do think it can be argued that the 485 could be merged into something else and more frequent because the every 30 minute frequency is useless in Inner London. If the 228 frequency wasn't cut in the first place, it might actually do better even with it's convoluted routing. The 485 was originally planned to go up to every 15 minutes with the Riverside reroute, but it has remained at every 30. You could probably just withdraw the 378, and in place increase the 485's frequency and add a double run to Putney Bridge Station? Current 378 passengers near Mortlake / Barnes Bridge could walk to either Barnes Pond or Upper Richmond Road for alternative routes.
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Post by sdaniel on Jan 9, 2024 23:30:28 GMT
Route 228 will have a new timetable from this date. Buses will be revised to run every 30 minutes from first to last bus on all days of the week. Route 228 will be operated by Metroline from this date. PVR reduction to boot (obviously) Can’t see this route surviving to be honest. Yeah exactly, I agree with you about 228’s existence being meaningless. Why can’t they just extend bus route 95 to Maida Hill, The Chippenham through the White City Bus Station and also reroute bus route 72 to Central Middlesex Hospital through 228’s way after White City Station? This would make sense.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 9, 2024 23:31:14 GMT
Exactly, it’s being kept on for the time being in anticipation of demand rising on the Old Oak section in the future. Personally I think it could still do with a review, as the two halves of the route are imbalanced. The section east of Shepherds Bush Green had a decent patronage before the frequency was slashed. I’ve wondered about rerouting the 272 at White City Station to run to Maida Hill instead. I thought double decks were prevented from using Old Oak Lane due to the low bridge? I definitely agree the 228 should be split. Perhaps merge the western end with the 283? So basically the current 228 from Park Royal to White City, then down via Shepherds Bush Green to terminate at Hammersmith. Plus maybe a short extension of the C1 to the White City Estate (replacing the rest of the 283) - terminating in a loop, which importantly would allow some of these roads to be served in both directions. I wonder if the eastern end of the 228 is really needed though? More frequent alternatives like the 31/295/316 are available for similar links. Maybe increase the 31's frequency? If the low bridge is being replaced then I wouldn’t be surprised if the 306 gets rerouted at the Askew Road/Uxbridge Road junction to run straight up Old Oak Road to Old Oak Common/Central Middlesex Hospital. The fast link from Hammersmith to East Acton and Old Oak Common would be popular and handily it is also 5bph. Then sort out the 218 to provide sufficient capacity over the Hammersmith-Acton corridor. The middle section between Old Oak Road and Shepherds Bush doesn’t really need to replaced.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 9, 2024 23:36:55 GMT
Exactly, it’s being kept on for the time being in anticipation of demand rising on the Old Oak section in the future. Personally I think it could still do with a review, as the two halves of the route are imbalanced. The section east of Shepherds Bush Green had a decent patronage before the frequency was slashed. I’ve wondered about rerouting the 272 at White City Station to run to Maida Hill instead. I thought double decks were prevented from using Old Oak Lane due to the low bridge? I definitely agree the 228 should be split. Perhaps merge the western end with the 283? So basically the current 228 from Park Royal to White City, then down via Shepherds Bush Green to terminate at Hammersmith. Plus maybe a short extension of the C1 to the White City Estate (replacing the rest of the 283) - terminating in a loop, which importantly would allow some of these roads to be served in both directions. I wonder if the eastern end of the 228 is really needed though? More frequent alternatives like the 31/295/316 are available for similar links. Maybe increase the 31's frequency? You would lose the Uxbridge Road/White City Estate to Hammersmith Hospital link which is very popular due to the severance effect of the Westway and Central Line which makes the pedestrian route very unattractive. I don’t think you could terminate in a loop and serve the roads in both directions - Sawley Road is too narrow for buses in both directions and you can only pull off the westbound Westway into Bloemfontein Road, that move is not allowed in the other direction.
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Post by COBO on Jan 10, 2024 0:01:42 GMT
Is a Ladbroke Grove a catchment for Central Middlesex Hospital?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 10, 2024 0:12:25 GMT
PVR reduction to boot (obviously) Can’t see this route surviving to be honest. Yeah exactly, I agree with you about 228’s existence being meaningless. Why can’t they just extend bus route 95 to Maida Hill, The Chippenham through the White City Bus Station and also reroute bus route 72 to Central Middlesex Hospital through 228’s way after White City Station? This would make sense. Because the 95 would probably end up being prone to delays given it already has to deal with the A40, Greenford Broadway & Southall and if the 72 is eventually routed back over Hammersmith Bridge whenever it's sorted, it wouldn't be able to run a Roehampton to Central Middlesex Hospital routing very reliably. No bus route is meaningless - if it was meaningless, no one at all would use it but this clearly isn't the case
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 10, 2024 11:11:28 GMT
A few upcoming changes
ROUTE SL5 SATURDAY 03/02/2024 ALLOCATION - TC, 9 BUSES REASON FOR CHANGE – NEW SERVICE
ROUTE SL5 SUNDAY ALLOCATION - TC, 8 BUSES
ROUTE SL5 MONDAY - FRIDAY ALLOCATION - TC, 10 BUSES
ROUTE 59 MONDAY TO FRIDAY 29/1/2024 ALLOCATION - BN, 20 BUSES REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED SERVICE START OF NEW CONTRACT
ROUTE 137 SATURDAY 20/01/2024 ALLOCATION - BN, 23 BUSES REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED ALLOCATION
ROUTE 137 SUNDAY ALLOCATION - BN, 18 BUSES
ROUTE 137 MONDAY-THURSDAY ALLOCATION - BN, 28 BUSES
ROUTE 137 FRIDAY ALLOCATION - BN, 28 BUSES
ROUTE N137 FRIDAY NIGHT/SATURDAY MORNING 19/1/2024 - 20/1/2024 ALLOCATION - BN, 8 BUSES REASON FOR CHANGE - REVISED ALLOCATION
ROUTE N137 SATURDAY NIGHT/SUNDAY MORNING ALLOCATION - BN, 8 BUSES
ROUTE N137 SUNDAY NIGHT/MONDAY MORNING ALLOCATION - BN, 8 BUSES
ROUTE N137 MON-THUR NIGHT/TUES-FRI MORNING ALLOCATION - BN, 8 BUSES
Routes 253/N253 and 254 resorts back to their pre-emergency schedules from Clapton roundabout roadworks being restored to 8 minutes from Saturday 27th January 2024
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 10, 2024 12:38:10 GMT
A few upcoming changes Routes 253/N253 and 254 resorts back to their pre-emergency schedules from Clapton roundabout roadworks being restored to 8 minutes from Saturday 27th January 2024 Does that also mean the 253 goes back to Euston instead in Mornington Crescent?
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 10, 2024 12:42:29 GMT
A few upcoming changes Routes 253/N253 and 254 resorts back to their pre-emergency schedules from Clapton roundabout roadworks being restored to 8 minutes from Saturday 27th January 2024 Does that also mean the 253 goes back to Euston instead in Mornington Crescent? No that's a different diversion
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