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Post by londonbuses on Feb 6, 2024 23:12:44 GMT
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Feb 7, 2024 5:34:42 GMT
Yeah it is quite weird how there's no news. I thought that too, I’ve seen no publicity whatsoever about the changes with little over three weeks to go until theyre implemented. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an update on the TFL upcoming bus changes page sometime this week which includes the details of the Croydon/Sutton changes, and the launches of Superloop routes SL2 and SL3.
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Post by va59 on Feb 9, 2024 18:55:26 GMT
Still not convinced the 443/407 change is happening.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 9, 2024 22:53:51 GMT
I thought that too, I’ve seen no publicity whatsoever about the changes with little over three weeks to go until theyre implemented. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an update on the TFL upcoming bus changes page sometime this week which includes the details of the Croydon/Sutton changes, and the launches of Superloop routes SL2 and SL3. I find it rather suspicious that an S2 & SL2 are being introduced on the same day. That’s not a coincidence surely
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 9, 2024 23:06:25 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if there is an update on the TFL upcoming bus changes page sometime this week which includes the details of the Croydon/Sutton changes, and the launches of Superloop routes SL2 and SL3. I find it rather suspicious that an S2 & SL2 are being introduced on the same day. That’s not a coincidence surely I wouldn’t read too much into it.
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 10, 2024 8:14:23 GMT
Still not convinced the 443/407 change is happening. It has to happen otherwise the 434 doesn't get extended
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 10, 2024 8:18:19 GMT
Still not convinced the 443/407 change is happening. It has to happen otherwise the 434 doesn't get extended Why does it have to?. The 434 isn't too effected by the new 443 is it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2024 8:19:12 GMT
Still not convinced the 443/407 change is happening. 407/443 have been indefinitely postponed
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Post by TB123 on Feb 10, 2024 9:07:01 GMT
Still not convinced the 443/407 change is happening. 407/443 have been indefinitely postponed Interesting to see what happens here. Hopefully if a split does happen the Croydon-Caterham section is numbered 497 instead as a nod to it's days as part of the 197...
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 10, 2024 9:13:46 GMT
Still not convinced the 443/407 change is happening. 407/443 have been indefinitely postponed Perhaps there could be a cheaper way of diverting something else (403) via the Old Town and keep the 407 as one route. Tbh with the SL7 now I think the Sutton to Croydon section could probably cope with a 15 mins DD service.
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 10, 2024 9:59:10 GMT
It has to happen otherwise the 434 doesn't get extended Why does it have to?. The 434 isn't too effected by the new 443 is it Correct it isn't affected at all by the 407/443 split. Still not convinced the 443/407 change is happening. 407/443 have been indefinitely postponed Where did you hear this? This is good news if so, out of all the changes taking place this was the one I was least in favour of purely because I felt it would be more effective to extend the 403 to Sutton and keep the 407 running between Caterham and West Croydon only. And as southlondonbus mentioned in the post above, the introduction of the SL7 has probably rendered a West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 or an extension of the 403 pointless or less cost effective. So I wouldn't be surprised if the 407 became Caterham to West Croydon only, with it being withdrawn between West Croydon and Sutton. Most of the intermediate stops between West Croydon and Sutton are served by alternative routes from West Croydon, however the small section between Ringstead Road and Lind Road would need to be served by another route if this happened. It's the only part of the West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 that's exclusively served by it, maybe the S3 could be rerouted slightly to cover it?
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 10, 2024 10:24:27 GMT
It has to happen otherwise the 434 doesn't get extended Why does it have to?. The 434 isn't too effected by the new 443 is it Not sure how true this is, but just seen this posted on a local Facebook group regarding the 407/443/434 changes "As the rep on the East Surrey Transport Committee covering Whyteleafe, Whyteleafe South and Upper Warlingham Stations I have attended Two meetings this week with regards to Public Transport in our area. Buses: the 407 changes are currently on hold as the new route still has to go out to tendure. The 434 changes are also on hold until th 407 tendure is sorted out, and will continue to terminate at Whyteleafe South. The new route 439 is scheduled to go ahead on the 2nd March, and i mentioned here is no public info out there for the public to view, unless you delve. UPDATE TO COME." This was from the Sutton & Croydon changes thread. Seems to be a reliable source
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2024 10:41:29 GMT
Why does it have to?. The 434 isn't too effected by the new 443 is it Correct it isn't affected at all by the 407/443 split. 407/443 have been indefinitely postponed Where did you hear this? This is good news if so, out of all the changes taking place this was the one I was least in favour of purely because I felt it would be more effective to extend the 403 to Sutton and keep the 407 running between Caterham and West Croydon only. And as southlondonbus mentioned in the post above, the introduction of the SL7 has probably rendered a West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 or an extension of the 403 pointless or less cost effective. So I wouldn't be surprised if the 407 became Caterham to West Croydon only, with it being withdrawn between West Croydon and Sutton. Most of the intermediate stops between West Croydon and Sutton are served by alternative routes from West Croydon, however the small section between Ringstead Road and Lind Road would need to be served by another route if this happened. It's the only part of the West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 that's exclusively served by it, maybe the S3 could be rerouted slightly to cover it? Internal source which backs the points made by East Surrey Transport Committee, also mentioned a potential review of the Croydon to Carshalton corridor due to the SL7. The following point is my assumption but I imagine between April 2025(Current contract of the SL7 ends) and July 2025 (roughly when the ITT for the 407 should be issued) will be a period of changes for the corridor if the review goes ahead.
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 10, 2024 10:54:10 GMT
Correct it isn't affected at all by the 407/443 split. Where did you hear this? This is good news if so, out of all the changes taking place this was the one I was least in favour of purely because I felt it would be more effective to extend the 403 to Sutton and keep the 407 running between Caterham and West Croydon only. And as southlondonbus mentioned in the post above, the introduction of the SL7 has probably rendered a West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 or an extension of the 403 pointless or less cost effective. So I wouldn't be surprised if the 407 became Caterham to West Croydon only, with it being withdrawn between West Croydon and Sutton. Most of the intermediate stops between West Croydon and Sutton are served by alternative routes from West Croydon, however the small section between Ringstead Road and Lind Road would need to be served by another route if this happened. It's the only part of the West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 that's exclusively served by it, maybe the S3 could be rerouted slightly to cover it? Internal source which backs the points made by East Surrey Transport Committee, also mentioned a potential review of the Croydon to Carshalton corridor due to the SL7. The following point is my assumption but I imagine between April 2025(Current contract of the SL7 ends) and July 2025 (roughly when the ITT for the 407 should be issued) will be a period of changes for the corridor if the review goes ahead. I wouldn't be surprised to see a double decker route (403?) extended from Croydon to Wallington replacing the 410, providing extra capacity which would then allow the 407 to be dropped to every 15 minutes. I would imagine there is probably excess capacity between Sutton and West Croydon now, given they have a direct train service, the SL7 and the 154/157 serving different parts of the corridor too.
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Post by abellion on Feb 10, 2024 11:05:23 GMT
Why does it have to?. The 434 isn't too effected by the new 443 is it Correct it isn't affected at all by the 407/443 split. 407/443 have been indefinitely postponed Where did you hear this? This is good news if so, out of all the changes taking place this was the one I was least in favour of purely because I felt it would be more effective to extend the 403 to Sutton and keep the 407 running between Caterham and West Croydon only. And as southlondonbus mentioned in the post above, the introduction of the SL7 has probably rendered a West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 or an extension of the 403 pointless or less cost effective. So I wouldn't be surprised if the 407 became Caterham to West Croydon only, with it being withdrawn between West Croydon and Sutton. Most of the intermediate stops between West Croydon and Sutton are served by alternative routes from West Croydon, however the small section between Ringstead Road and Lind Road would need to be served by another route if this happened. It's the only part of the West Croydon to Sutton part of the 407 that's exclusively served by it, maybe the S3 could be rerouted slightly to cover it? Outright removing the 407 service because of the SL7 is a bit dramatic, from my observations it is still used well, a decrease on the Croydon-Sutton leg would make more sense.
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