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Post by southlondon413 on May 23, 2024 12:37:37 GMT
Found this today, seems like TFL are trying to merge routes 14 and 414 once again. The link currently takes you to a closed page as of right now. Think I'll start keeping an eye out on 45 and 118 bus stops lol I suspect a contractor didn’t get the memo as I don’t think it was meant to be placed out given most of the consultation takes place during the purdah period. I expect it was meant to start this week or next but will no doubt be pushed back.
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Post by WH241 on May 23, 2024 12:40:29 GMT
Would purdah affect the 414 consultation opening or is that only when the London Mayor elections are on?
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Post by WH241 on May 23, 2024 12:41:55 GMT
The downside to this is the ridiculous high cost per mile of the 14 compared to the 414. Right now the 14 is only £2 per mile more. There is a significant saving to be made if the 14s PVR went to 26/27 and the 414s additional 10/11 vehicles were withdrawn. I must admit I thought it was higher than that! I was looking at whole tender cost and assumed it would be a lot more per mile.
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Post by lundnah on May 23, 2024 12:42:12 GMT
Think I'll start keeping an eye out on 45 and 118 bus stops lol I suspect a contractor didn’t get the memo as I don’t think it was meant to be placed out given most of the consultation takes place during the purdah period. I expect it was meant to start this week or next but will no doubt be pushed back. I hope purdah hasn't delayed this consultation because I'm not sure I could cope with six weeks of speculative crayoning.
On the positive side, in about a year's time this forum's obsession with the 414 may finally end
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Post by southlondon413 on May 23, 2024 12:45:25 GMT
I suspect a contractor didn’t get the memo as I don’t think it was meant to be placed out given most of the consultation takes place during the purdah period. I expect it was meant to start this week or next but will no doubt be pushed back. I hope purdah hasn't delayed this consultation because I'm not sure I could cope with six weeks of speculative crayoning.
On the positive side, in about a year's time this forum's obsession with the 414 may finally end I think it will. This is exactly the sort of thing both sides would use to discredit or promote themselves and that is exactly what purdah is designed to prevent.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 23, 2024 12:46:28 GMT
Right now the 14 is only £2 per mile more. There is a significant saving to be made if the 14s PVR went to 26/27 and the 414s additional 10/11 vehicles were withdrawn. I must admit I thought it was higher than that! I was looking at whole tender cost and assumed it would be a lot more per mile. Yes, £8.83 for the 414 and £10.83 for the 14.
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Post by WH241 on May 23, 2024 12:52:56 GMT
I suspect a contractor didn’t get the memo as I don’t think it was meant to be placed out given most of the consultation takes place during the purdah period. I expect it was meant to start this week or next but will no doubt be pushed back. I hope purdah hasn't delayed this consultation because I'm not sure I could cope with six weeks of speculative crayoning.
On the positive side, in about a year's time this forum's obsession with the 414 may finally end I am sure it will be gearing up to get angry about another route (Probably a RATP one) 🤣
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Post by southlondonbus on May 23, 2024 12:52:58 GMT
I must admit I thought it was higher than that! I was looking at whole tender cost and assumed it would be a lot more per mile. Yes, £8.83 for the 414 and £10.83 for the 14. And that's on a contract RATP consider unsuitable so it likely would increase on the next tender anyways.
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Post by gwiwer on May 23, 2024 13:29:24 GMT
A shame to see the 110 cut in frequnecy. I personally think this is a route that needs to be split back in 2, or potentially even 3 at a push similar to the old structure. 110 back to West Mids to Hounslow, H22 returned to Hounslow, and a 391 recreated in some form - or perhaps the 190 rerouted via the 391 routing with the 190 routing via Chiswick Bridge being the subject of another route. I’m remaining hopeful that currently mysterious new route 310 could be the answer where the split happens and that the lowering the frequency of route 110 is the start of that happening. A future truncated route 110 which would operate from Twickenham Station to Hounslow Bus Station, a x20 min frequency would perfectly match demand along the route. Personally if there’s a Richmond consultation coming, I hope the changes include: Route 110 Twickenham Station to Hounslow Bus Station, frequency of route 110 maintained at x20 mins Route 190 rerouted to serve Kew Gardens station, Kew Bridge, Gunnersbury Station and Chiswick High Road, converted to double deck operation New route 310 Hammersmith Bus Station to Whitton - I think it is really important that TFL in any event of changes that they need to maintain the new Whitton to Richmond link, route 310 would swap with route 190 between Richmond and Stamford Brook bus garage, with the route going via Chiswick Bridge, the frequency of route 310 would be x15 mins. Route 969 - withdrawn due to changes associated with new route 310. The 969 has a problem. It serves physically-isolated areas of housing which generate much of its traffic but which can only be served in one direction as they lie south of Chertsey Road without access from the opposite carriageway. Hence its current LOR which ensures it can run westbound along Chertsey Road on both trips. The 110 change was supposed to serve these area when first planned but somewhere someone overlooked the impossibility of right-turns across a central reservation. The alternative is a lengthy double-run of around a mile adding extensive running time and mileage for the benefit of just a handful of stops. The situation is similar to Robin Hood Estate off the Kingston By-Pass. More or less at the other end of the 969 as it happens since that runs down to Robin Hood Gate and doubles-back to serve the required stop within the ASDA complex rather than just taking a left and going straight in. The 969 as it stands is quite well supported by those who have no easy access to any other public transport. It also of course picks up a few along the way who are simply waiting for the first bus to come along. Those are bonus fares. It really needs to be kept as it is. I understand it is resourced from the Dial-a-Ride unit using an E200 spare between the peaks. Therefore replacing it with another route saves nothing and costs a lot more since the entire service on which ever route (310, 110 or what ever) would then be expected to serve the 969's unique sections.
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Post by enviroPB on May 23, 2024 13:34:49 GMT
Found this today, seems like TFL are trying to merge routes 14 and 414 once again. The link currently takes you to a closed page as of right now. I've said this before and I will say this again when I feel it's relevant: Superloop shouldn't be the only bus services that are prioritised and introduced. This feels to me that TfL are trying to recycle resources to fund the Mayor's Superloop plans. There is no attempt by TfL to synchronise timetables on buses which share corridors, something that was specified in contracts in the past.
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Post by greenboy on May 23, 2024 13:51:44 GMT
Found this today, seems like TFL are trying to merge routes 14 and 414 once again. The link currently takes you to a closed page as of right now. Is a consultation really needed? I doubt if many people would even notice the 414 had gone and I can't understand why the route wasn't withdrawn in its entirety a few years go.
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Post by DT 11 on May 23, 2024 14:00:42 GMT
Found this today, seems like TFL are trying to merge routes 14 and 414 once again. The link currently takes you to a closed page as of right now. Is a consultation really needed? I doubt if many people would even notice the 414 had gone and I can't understand why the route wasn't withdrawn in its entirety a few years go. Cutting it to Marble Arch was step one just like the 45 cut to Elephant & Castle. Now step two get rid of it completely. The same thing was attempted with both Routes 45 & 414 a few years ago and here they are today still. I imagine the cut section of the 414 has seen an increase of passengers on Routes 6 & 36.
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Post by DT 11 on May 23, 2024 14:31:59 GMT
Found this today, seems like TFL are trying to merge routes 14 and 414 once again. The link currently takes you to a closed page as of right now. I've said this before and I will say this again when I feel it's relevant: Superloop shouldn't be the only bus services that are prioritised and introduced. This feels to me that TfL are trying to recycle resources to fund the Mayor's Superloop plans. There is no attempt by TfL to synchronise timetables on buses which share corridors, something that was specified in contracts in the past. I agree with this. The 208 & 320 are completely a waste of resources both running together punching each other and this has been happening for 14 years. I’m very sure there are other corridors where you wait ages then all buses turn up.
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Post by WH241 on May 23, 2024 14:36:59 GMT
I've said this before and I will say this again when I feel it's relevant: Superloop shouldn't be the only bus services that are prioritised and introduced. This feels to me that TfL are trying to recycle resources to fund the Mayor's Superloop plans. There is no attempt by TfL to synchronise timetables on buses which share corridors, something that was specified in contracts in the past. I agree with this. The 208 & 320 are completely a waste of resources both running together punching each other and this has been happening for 14 years. I’m very sure there are other corridors where you wait ages then all buses turn up. Yes in south Newham on the shared corridor along Victoria Dock Road to the Plaistow Abbey Arms routes 241, 300 and 325 all have buses that are a few minutes apart. Even when Go Ahead took over the 325 they made no attempt to coordinate the timetable with the 300. Same happens at Canning Town with the 147 and 474 departing at the same time towards Custom House.
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Post by abellion on May 23, 2024 14:37:10 GMT
The biggest issue I see is that the 14’s stretches without the 414 are extremely congested , Putney High Street and HPC-Russell Square, so having even more vehicles running there would be messy. More buses from Putney Bridge to Heath also seems a bit excessive.
I am going to miss the 414 if it does go, but it hasn’t been as good as a route in terms of vehicles or routing since QB lost it and the cutback in November 2021 so it’s not really that upsetting.
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