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Post by vjaska on May 23, 2024 23:33:44 GMT
I low-key forgot that 414 no longer goes to Maida Hill as I was going to say that this merged route would run all the way from Maida Hill - Putney making it way too long. I'd imagine the 14 would run from Putney Bridge to Marble Arch. This would essentially mean that Russell Square would lose out on another route. Not surprised as several routes have been cut back / rerouted from there 7, 98, 188 etc... can't comment too much about both routes usage as I've never used either route. So yet another Central London route is going adding on the withdrawn route portfolio - 10, 48, 82, 168, 332, C2, RV1, 507/521. I think the 14 will remain in it's current form rather than taking over the 414's Park Lane section with maybe a slight boost in frequency at a push.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 24, 2024 6:55:01 GMT
I low-key forgot that 414 no longer goes to Maida Hill as I was going to say that this merged route would run all the way from Maida Hill - Putney making it way too long. I'd imagine the 14 would run from Putney Bridge to Marble Arch. This would essentially mean that Russell Square would lose out on another route. Not surprised as several routes have been cut back / rerouted from there 7, 98, 188 etc... can't comment too much about both routes usage as I've never used either route. So yet another Central London route is going adding on the withdrawn route portfolio - 10, 48, 82, 168, 332, C2, RV1, 507/521. I think the 14 will remain in it's current form rather than taking over the 414's Park Lane section with maybe a slight boost in frequency at a push. I agree. Partly the reason for keeping the 414 last time over the 14 was that it was going to replace the 74 aswell. On this occasion the 74 will remain as S Ken to Marble Arch with the 14 Putney to the West End. As for freqs I still wouldn't think much more then every 8 mins with maybe a couple of extra peaks like what happened on the 8 when the 25 was cutback. I had an email yday afternoon from TFL saying the Friday no peaks fares ends on the 31st and to get in quick with my days out. That would suggest it hasn't really proved successful and the £25m for 3 months was not money well spent.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 24, 2024 8:23:24 GMT
I think the 14 will remain in it's current form rather than taking over the 414's Park Lane section with maybe a slight boost in frequency at a push. I agree. Partly the reason for keeping the 414 last time over the 14 was that it was going to replace the 74 aswell. On this occasion the 74 will remain as S Ken to Marble Arch with the 14 Putney to the West End. As for freqs I still wouldn't think much more then every 8 mins with maybe a couple of extra peaks like what happened on the 8 when the 25 was cutback. I had an email yday afternoon from TFL saying the Friday no peaks fares ends on the 31st and to get in quick with my days out. That would suggest it hasn't really proved successful and the £25m for 3 months was not money well spent. Interesting, I think TfL will certainly be looking for savings now that the election is over and new bus route contracts awarded are probably going to be much more expensive than the ones they replaced.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 24, 2024 8:38:03 GMT
I agree. Partly the reason for keeping the 414 last time over the 14 was that it was going to replace the 74 aswell. On this occasion the 74 will remain as S Ken to Marble Arch with the 14 Putney to the West End. As for freqs I still wouldn't think much more then every 8 mins with maybe a couple of extra peaks like what happened on the 8 when the 25 was cutback. I had an email yday afternoon from TFL saying the Friday no peaks fares ends on the 31st and to get in quick with my days out. That would suggest it hasn't really proved successful and the £25m for 3 months was not money well spent. Interesting, I think TfL will certainly be looking for savings now that the election is over and new bus route contracts awarded are probably going to be much more expensive than the ones they replaced. Definitely but it is also a great opportunity for TfL to review the wider network, remove inefficiencies like the 414 and create new links by diverting or altering existing routes. If the bus network comes out leaner with less wastage which can be used to boost existing routes then that is ultimately a good thing.
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Post by lundnah on May 24, 2024 8:40:17 GMT
Could we start a separate thread under Consultations for the forthcoming 14/414 consultation? rather than clogging up Upcoming Changes with endless speculation? (because this is not an Upcoming Change)
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 24, 2024 12:04:41 GMT
14’s a lot busier than the 19 IMO westbound Shafestbury Avenue. It picks up an entirety at the Cambridge Circus bus stop westbound and then nothing up until Piccadilly but at the same time the 14 is pretty much empty northbound but picks up a generous amount at Gerrard Place up to Russel Square. If its being pedestrianised, Id hope it at least makes it to TCR - could divert via Charing Cross Road by Forbidden Planet to terminate at St Giles High Street and start journeys towards Putney at Cambridge Circus. Do you mean on Shaftesbury Avenue and then a left turn onto St Giles High Street because that’s a pretty tight turn these days and there is very little stand space on St Giles High Street. The better option would be to have the 14 share the 176 stand on Great Russell Street, that way the first stop could be St Giles High Street. You can count the stand on Great Russell Street as empty. No need to free up a stand or anything or share. The 176 officially stands there but in practice it's treated as a drop off stop and the buses then stand on St. Giles High Street right by the first stop there.
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Post by greg on May 24, 2024 22:02:32 GMT
14’s a lot busier than the 19 IMO westbound Shafestbury Avenue. It picks up an entirety at the Cambridge Circus bus stop westbound and then nothing up until Piccadilly but at the same time the 14 is pretty much empty northbound but picks up a generous amount at Gerrard Place up to Russel Square. If its being pedestrianised, Id hope it at least makes it to TCR - could divert via Charing Cross Road by Forbidden Planet to terminate at St Giles High Street and start journeys towards Putney at Cambridge Circus. Do you mean on Shaftesbury Avenue and then a left turn onto St Giles High Street because that’s a pretty tight turn these days and there is very little stand space on St Giles High Street. The better option would be to have the 14 share the 176 stand on Great Russell Street, that way the first stop could be St Giles High Street. I honestly wouldnt argue it as being too tight. Might not be suitable on an LT, but I have seen diverted 11s use it and oftenly the other routes use it being 14, 19, 24, 38 etc. The St Giles High Street stand has way more space and the bus stop for the 14/176 could always turn into a bus stand as it usually is every weekend when the 29 is cutting short to TCR and so on. There is a new stand on TCR that is by the new tube station entrance and by the Uniqlo that is now vacant (new stand) and is sometimes used as an overflow for the 29 but could actually accomodate 2/3 buses in a go, could move the 8 there without any changes to bus stops and have the 14 take over its existing stand. As for Charing Cross Road, I mean particularly the road by Seven Dials Market
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Post by greg on May 24, 2024 22:04:35 GMT
Do you mean on Shaftesbury Avenue and then a left turn onto St Giles High Street because that’s a pretty tight turn these days and there is very little stand space on St Giles High Street. The better option would be to have the 14 share the 176 stand on Great Russell Street, that way the first stop could be St Giles High Street. You can count the stand on Great Russell Street as empty. No need to free up a stand or anything or share. The 176 officially stands there but in practice it's treated as a drop off stop and the buses then stand on St. Giles High Street right by the first stop there. Its empty because its so tight. I would call it unreasonable with all those HGVs and lorries, especially the Primark ones in the middle of the almost one lane road and a random LT is on stand and then waste about 11 minutes trying to manouvere through the St Giles street junction. Should have been a stand for no route or possibly curtailing routes from the north like the 29.
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Post by YX10FFN on May 28, 2024 16:00:39 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 28, 2024 17:08:12 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. When and where do you experience difficulty boarding a 110? The 391 was x10mins at one point, certainly a big drop.
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2024 19:09:46 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. Welcome to the world of Inner London where no one gives two tosses about our services so just cuts and cuts it.
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Post by TB123 on May 28, 2024 19:50:34 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. Welcome to the world of Inner London where no one gives two tosses about our services so just cuts and cuts it. Circa 90% of the 110 runs in boroughs deemed as outer London by various statistical sources....
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Post by southlondonbus on May 28, 2024 20:05:53 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. Welcome to the world of Inner London where no one gives two tosses about our services so just cuts and cuts it. Or never gets an increase in the case of the 37 and 118. Both still surprise me they missed out in the early Ken years.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on May 28, 2024 20:08:16 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. When and where do you experience difficulty boarding a 110? The 391 was x10mins at one point, certainly a big drop. I agree,if anything,the 110 should have a PVR increase,the route is rammed often.As a local,I absolutely hate this change,and I don't think anyone else will like it either
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Post by DE20106 on May 28, 2024 20:25:59 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. It all hinges on if this new 310 route is linked with the 110 to give it support and justify its lower frequency, or if it’s linked with the 210 leaving the 110 to just fend for itself. Although if TfL are indeed planning something for the 110 then they really should have waited until the whole set of changes are implemented rather than leave it to fend for itself this whole time
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