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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 28, 2024 20:36:09 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. It all hinges on if this new 310 route is linked with the 110 to give it support and justify its lower frequency, or if it’s linked with the 210 leaving the 110 to just fend for itself. Although if TfL are indeed planning something for the 110 then they really should have waited until the whole set of changes are implemented rather than leave it to fend for itself this whole time Can't see why this 310 route would be anything to do with the 110. It's had its ITT issued now and it's not even gone out to consultation, such a movement would require a consultation and that's not likely to happen for a while now. Not to mention the fact the 110 has had its frequency reduced suggests TfL have come around at some point and evaluated it and decided to cut its frequency. If they wanted to introduce a new route then any cut would have been held back until then. However a route that's an election pledge is likely to already go ahead regardless of consultation or not, as the election of Khan was a de-facto mandate for it. So probably safe to say it's linked to the 210 as opposed to the 110.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 28, 2024 20:43:32 GMT
It all hinges on if this new 310 route is linked with the 110 to give it support and justify its lower frequency, or if it’s linked with the 210 leaving the 110 to just fend for itself. Although if TfL are indeed planning something for the 110 then they really should have waited until the whole set of changes are implemented rather than leave it to fend for itself this whole time Can't see why this 310 route would be anything to do with the 110. It's had its ITT issued now and it's not even gone out to consultation, such a movement would require a consultation and that's not likely to happen for a while now. Not to mention the fact the 110 has had its frequency reduced suggests TfL have come around at some point and evaluated it and decided to cut its frequency. If they wanted to introduce a new route then any cut would have been held back until then. However a route that's an election pledge is likely to already go ahead regardless of consultation or not, as the election of Khan was a de-facto mandate for it. So probably safe to say it's linked to the 210 as opposed to the 110. Also if the north London 310 isn't innovative at all (that's to say simply runs over the 210 and 253/254) then it might not even need a consultation which would explain why the ITT has already been issued.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on May 28, 2024 20:47:38 GMT
Can't see why this 310 route would be anything to do with the 110. It's had its ITT issued now and it's not even gone out to consultation, such a movement would require a consultation and that's not likely to happen for a while now. Not to mention the fact the 110 has had its frequency reduced suggests TfL have come around at some point and evaluated it and decided to cut its frequency. If they wanted to introduce a new route then any cut would have been held back until then. However a route that's an election pledge is likely to already go ahead regardless of consultation or not, as the election of Khan was a de-facto mandate for it. So probably safe to say it's linked to the 210 as opposed to the 110. Also if the north London 310 isn't innovative at all (that's to say simply runs over the 210 and 253/254) then it might not even need a consultation which would explain why the ITT has already been issued. But why would the 310 need to run parallel the 210/253/254?The route is meant to connect the two places,but not to parallel those routes.The 210 does not need a route to parallel it, maybe the 253/254 but I don't think the 210 needs to be parallelled by another route.It would be better for the 310 to follow it's own route
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Post by southlondonbus on May 28, 2024 20:57:59 GMT
Also if the north London 310 isn't innovative at all (that's to say simply runs over the 210 and 253/254) then it might not even need a consultation which would explain why the ITT has already been issued. But why would the 310 need to run parallel the 210/253/254?The route is meant to connect the two places,but not to parallel those routes.The 210 does not need a route to parallel it, maybe the 253/254 but I don't think the 210 needs to be parallelled by another route.It would be better for the 310 to follow it's own route Well I did say If it isn't, not that it would or should.
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Post by VMH2537 on May 28, 2024 20:58:44 GMT
It all hinges on if this new 310 route is linked with the 110 to give it support and justify its lower frequency, or if it’s linked with the 210 leaving the 110 to just fend for itself. Although if TfL are indeed planning something for the 110 then they really should have waited until the whole set of changes are implemented rather than leave it to fend for itself this whole time Can't see why this 310 route would be anything to do with the 110. It's had its ITT issued now and it's not even gone out to consultation, such a movement would require a consultation and that's not likely to happen for a while now. Not to mention the fact the 110 has had its frequency reduced suggests TfL have come around at some point and evaluated it and decided to cut its frequency. If they wanted to introduce a new route then any cut would have been held back until then. However a route that's an election pledge is likely to already go ahead regardless of consultation or not, as the election of Khan was a de-facto mandate for it. So probably safe to say it's linked to the 210 as opposed to the 110. A frequency cut before consultation hasn't stopped other routes being restructured shortly afterwards. The 11 and the 16 are to speak as well attempts to the 12, 43, 259 etc which those never went ahead.
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Post by YX10FFN on May 28, 2024 20:59:36 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. When and where do you experience difficulty boarding a 110? The 391 was x10mins at one point, certainly a big drop. Richmond Station going towards Hounslow and Chiswick High Road going towards Hammersmith are the two busiest points. Pushing it to 20 minutes removes any sense of a turn up and go service. If you need to catch it then you have to time your journey correctly. If you don’t need it and could get other buses or forms of transport it probably won’t show up and from this point onwards we most certainly will see a drop in usage on the 110, probably prompting further cutbacks
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Post by DE20106 on May 28, 2024 21:04:20 GMT
When and where do you experience difficulty boarding a 110? The 391 was x10mins at one point, certainly a big drop. Richmond Station going towards Hounslow and Chiswick High Road going towards Hammersmith are the two busiest points. Pushing it to 20 minutes removes any sense of a turn up and go service. If you need to catch it then you have to time your journey correctly. If you don’t need it and could get other buses or forms of transport it probably won’t show up and from this point onwards we most certainly will see a drop in usage on the 110, probably prompting further cutbacks Not to mention on a route like the 110 trying to plan when it will arrive, or it just doesn’t turn up or at a random time whenever it feels like because it’s so unreliable 😂
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Post by YX10FFN on May 28, 2024 21:06:37 GMT
Richmond Station going towards Hounslow and Chiswick High Road going towards Hammersmith are the two busiest points. Pushing it to 20 minutes removes any sense of a turn up and go service. If you need to catch it then you have to time your journey correctly. If you don’t need it and could get other buses or forms of transport it probably won’t show up and from this point onwards we most certainly will see a drop in usage on the 110, probably prompting further cutbacks Not to mention on a route like the 110 trying to plan when it will arrive, or it just doesn’t turn up or at a random time whenever it feels like because it’s so unreliable 😂 Even as an enthusiast I struggle to find the patience to plan around it. Luckily the places it goes near me I have other options.
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2024 21:50:48 GMT
Welcome to the world of Inner London where no one gives two tosses about our services so just cuts and cuts it. Circa 90% of the 110 runs in boroughs deemed as outer London by various statistical sources.... Never said the 110 ran more in Inner London than Outer - my comment is purely about how we've had so many cuts that I'm welcoming his local into the cuts club so it may as well be an Inner London route even if factually, it isn't. Membership is free and open to everyone ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by gwiwer on May 28, 2024 21:53:02 GMT
I cannot see any justification for cutting the 110. As othes have said it is often very well filled. Its current length means it suffers acutely from traffic congestion and they often turn up in pairs after a very long wait. Put that onto a 20-minute headway and many people could be waiting 30 - 40 minutes for a bus which then arrives with what we used to call a three-bell load and sails straight past the stop.
There is every reason to revert it to a previous iteration of the route. Not that the 391 was much more reliable and was in itself a route of two halves.
Stand space in Richmond is non-existent making a break there very improbable unless Manor Circus can now hold another route. If I had control the 110 would revert to being the Powder Mill Lane local bus and run Twickenham - Hounslow. Possibly even as a circular via West Middlesex Hospital. Then have the R70 extended from Richmond to Kew Green and a reinstated 391 from Kew Gardens Station (where the existing stand is currently unused) to Hammersmith or Sands End.
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2024 22:26:27 GMT
I cannot see any justification for cutting the 110. As othes have said it is often very well filled. Its current length means it suffers acutely from traffic congestion and they often turn up in pairs after a very long wait. Put that onto a 20-minute headway and many people could be waiting 30 - 40 minutes for a bus which then arrives with what we used to call a three-bell load and sails straight past the stop. There is every reason to revert it to a previous iteration of the route. Not that the 391 was much more reliable and was in itself a route of two halves. Stand space in Richmond is non-existent making a break there very improbable unless Manor Circus can now hold another route. If I had control the 110 would revert to being the Powder Mill Lane local bus and run Twickenham - Hounslow. Possibly even as a circular via West Middlesex Hospital. Then have the R70 extended from Richmond to Kew Green and a reinstated 391 from Kew Gardens Station (where the existing stand is currently unused) to Hammersmith or Sands End. A couple of questions: Was the 391 more reliable once it was cut back from Sands End to Hammersmith? I had one experience of using it whilst in that form and I had a very long wait for a bus so wondering if what I experienced was the norm? Manor Circus lost the 493 & H22 over the last few years because TfL, rather foolishly, seemed to take a view that there is a problem with multiple buses with few people on running from a town centre to their stand - surely with those two routes gone, there is room there unless stand space was removed for some reason?
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Post by YX10FFN on May 28, 2024 22:41:19 GMT
I cannot see any justification for cutting the 110. As othes have said it is often very well filled. Its current length means it suffers acutely from traffic congestion and they often turn up in pairs after a very long wait. Put that onto a 20-minute headway and many people could be waiting 30 - 40 minutes for a bus which then arrives with what we used to call a three-bell load and sails straight past the stop. There is every reason to revert it to a previous iteration of the route. Not that the 391 was much more reliable and was in itself a route of two halves. Stand space in Richmond is non-existent making a break there very improbable unless Manor Circus can now hold another route. If I had control the 110 would revert to being the Powder Mill Lane local bus and run Twickenham - Hounslow. Possibly even as a circular via West Middlesex Hospital. Then have the R70 extended from Richmond to Kew Green and a reinstated 391 from Kew Gardens Station (where the existing stand is currently unused) to Hammersmith or Sands End. Manor Circus can hold another route although I'm not entirely sure what's happening with the Homebase stand and how that plays in with the new development. I have noticed the H37's stand has been permanently encroached by a new traffic light pedestrian crossing. The stand used to fit 3 buses but may now only be able to fit three with some maneuvering. If the 110 is to be split then my top prorities are maintaining the Richmond-Whitton link and getting a more reliable service on the Chiswick-Hammersmith end. Kew Green and Kew Gardens Station are not great termini to be honest as they are not popular destinations in their own right. The Kew Gardens Station stand only holds one bus and is often occupied by the regular Tesco delivery lorries. Regarding the old 391, all I can say is the only way is up from this current arrangement with the 110! The 391 could've been nasty at times but it was generally run pretty well given the circumstances when it was run from the middle at V. FW's operation was less inspiring and perhaps contributed to the perception by TFL in 2018-19 that it was unreliable and they had to do something about it.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 28, 2024 22:43:37 GMT
I cannot see any justification for cutting the 110. As othes have said it is often very well filled. Its current length means it suffers acutely from traffic congestion and they often turn up in pairs after a very long wait. Put that onto a 20-minute headway and many people could be waiting 30 - 40 minutes for a bus which then arrives with what we used to call a three-bell load and sails straight past the stop. There is every reason to revert it to a previous iteration of the route. Not that the 391 was much more reliable and was in itself a route of two halves. Stand space in Richmond is non-existent making a break there very improbable unless Manor Circus can now hold another route. If I had control the 110 would revert to being the Powder Mill Lane local bus and run Twickenham - Hounslow. Possibly even as a circular via West Middlesex Hospital. Then have the R70 extended from Richmond to Kew Green and a reinstated 391 from Kew Gardens Station (where the existing stand is currently unused) to Hammersmith or Sands End. Agreed I think route 110 reverting back to Twickenham to Hounslow route would be best with its new frequency of every 20 minutes. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the merits of a cross Richmond route like my proposal for a Hammersmith to St. Margaret's Station or Whitton Library route. I have heard that new corridor between Whitton and Richmond has been very popular with locals.
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Post by B9TL205 on May 28, 2024 22:44:59 GMT
I've just seen the 110 frequency cut (I know I'm a week late) I'm shocked!!!! Is this really the answer to improve reliability?? When a bus actually does show up, it's full to the door so you give up on the 110 entirely? So we in Kew have gone from the 12 minutes 391 to the 20 minutes 110. Unbelievable. Welcome to the world of Inner London where no one gives two tosses about our services so just cuts and cuts it. It's annoying especially when routes like the 205 for example are just unreliable half the time, it really shouldn't be every 10/12 minutes
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Post by gwiwer on May 28, 2024 22:51:07 GMT
The usual question arises of where would they stand? Whitton Library or St. Margarets station are not blessed with space to stand buses. Whitton Church stand is well off route, requires running through a slightly restricted part of Nelson Road and often sees at least one 281 turned there on a one-vehicle stand.
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