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Post by yunus on May 28, 2024 22:53:33 GMT
Welcome to the world of Inner London where no one gives two tosses about our services so just cuts and cuts it. It's annoying especially when routes like the 205 for example are just unreliable half the time, it really shouldn't be every 10/12 minutes I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense
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Post by vjaska on May 29, 2024 1:34:30 GMT
It's annoying especially when routes like the 205 for example are just unreliable half the time, it really shouldn't be every 10/12 minutes I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense Not really because the 205 is more of a unique example of a small handful of parallel a tube or rail line and even then, there are examples where the bus service is busy despite the presence of that line like the 2 is between Brixton & Victoria despite it serving all the stations along that section. Not every service runs parallel to a rail or tube line so your supporting of cuts means, in my eyes, you support worse services for people who have no alternatives. Your example of the 88 doesn't really work because most people from Clapham use the 88 to access Central London and not to ride to the other end of the route at Camden Town & Parliament Hill Fields - few routes in London are used for end to end journeys and the 88 isn't one of them.
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Post by bk10mfe on May 29, 2024 7:19:47 GMT
It's annoying especially when routes like the 205 for example are just unreliable half the time, it really shouldn't be every 10/12 minutes I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense I also have to disagree with cutting frequencies on routes just because there are rail options near the route. The busiest route in London, the 18 parallels the Bakerlooo/London Overgound for almost all of its route, a route like that definitely cannot afford to have its frequency reduced. The 25/86 are some other examples of routes that parallel rail/tube lines that also are some of the busiest routes in London.
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Post by greg on May 29, 2024 8:59:10 GMT
I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense I also have to disagree with cutting frequencies on routes just because there are rail options near the route. The busiest route in London, the 18 parallels the Bakerlooo/London Overgound for almost all of its route, a route like that definitely cannot afford to have its frequency reduced. The 25/86 are some other examples of routes that parallel rail/tube lines that also are some of the busiest routes in London. Well said. Inner London bus routes which parallel the Tube are probably in my eyes, the busier lot compared to Inner London routes that are more or less bringing less served areas to Central London, such as the 88 from PHF to the likes of Oxford Circus or Clapham to Westminster etc. It is a lot more noticeable, that routes like the 8, 94, 25, 205, 134, 14, 91 are extremely busy
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Post by DE20106 on May 29, 2024 9:02:26 GMT
I also have to disagree with cutting frequencies on routes just because there are rail options near the route. The busiest route in London, the 18 parallels the Bakerlooo/London Overgound for almost all of its route, a route like that definitely cannot afford to have its frequency reduced. The 25/86 are some other examples of routes that parallel rail/tube lines that also are some of the busiest routes in London. Well said. Inner London bus routes which parallel the Tube are probably in my eyes, the busier lot compared to Inner London routes that are more or less bringing less served areas to Central London, such as the 88 from PHF to the likes of Oxford Circus or Clapham to Westminster etc. It is a lot more noticeable, that routes like the 8, 94, 25, 205, 134, 14, 91 are extremely busy I’m not sure the 134 is that busy any more, I’ve certainly noticed it’s loadings have generally dropped off a cliff since it got cut back to Warren Street. When it went to TCR I remember the days of 134’s leaving the first stop full from TCR station completely packed to the door
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Post by greg on May 29, 2024 9:07:09 GMT
Well said. Inner London bus routes which parallel the Tube are probably in my eyes, the busier lot compared to Inner London routes that are more or less bringing less served areas to Central London, such as the 88 from PHF to the likes of Oxford Circus or Clapham to Westminster etc. It is a lot more noticeable, that routes like the 8, 94, 25, 205, 134, 14, 91 are extremely busy I’m not sure the 134 is that busy any more, I’ve certainly noticed it’s loadings have generally dropped off a cliff since it got cut back to Warren Street. When it went to TCR I remember the days of 134’s leaving the first stop full from TCR station completely packed to the door The 134 is my local and I can assure you it is the exact same scenario, 9/10 of the day. It can be empty between Camden High Street and Warren Street more often ONLY in the Warren Street direction, similar to a 31 situation, but towards North Finchley the bus is filled to the doors from the first and second stop. There are times when that obviously isnt the case, but this goes for every route IMO when its like 11am on a Thursday
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Post by WH241 on May 29, 2024 9:21:10 GMT
I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense I also have to disagree with cutting frequencies on routes just because there are rail options near the route. The busiest route in London, the 18 parallels the Bakerlooo/London Overgound for almost all of its route, a route like that definitely cannot afford to have its frequency reduced. The 25/86 are some other examples of routes that parallel rail/tube lines that also are some of the busiest routes in London. The 25 and 86 are slightly different as their higher usage has a lot to do with the area they serve and the fact a lot of passengers can’t afford the higher rail fares. With the discussion in general sometimes frequency are cut to match demand. Surely it’s better for buses to be busy instead of running around half empty. I don’t particularly like busy buses but if they are matching the demand then it’s not an issue. I think in London people have very high expectations and think a bus every ten or twelve minutes is not good enough. It’s the same on the tube where people fight to get on a packed train because they feel a 2 or 3 minute wait for the next train is too long.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 29, 2024 9:24:31 GMT
I also have to disagree with cutting frequencies on routes just because there are rail options near the route. The busiest route in London, the 18 parallels the Bakerlooo/London Overgound for almost all of its route, a route like that definitely cannot afford to have its frequency reduced. The 25/86 are some other examples of routes that parallel rail/tube lines that also are some of the busiest routes in London. The 25 and 86 are slightly different as their higher usage has a lot to do with the area they serve and the fact a lot of passengers can’t afford the higher rail fares. With the discussion in general sometimes frequency are cut to match demand. Surely it’s better for buses to be busy instead of running around half empty. I don’t particularly like busy buses but if they are matching the demand then it’s not an issue. I think in London people have very high expectations and think a bus every ten or twelve minutes is not good enough. It’s the same on the tube where people fight to get on a packed train because they feel a 2 or 3 minute wait for the next train is too long. I don't think unaffordability is an issue on the 86 at least as the rail fare is the same as the bus one. The 86s usage is more so people alighting at the stations and pouring onto it to take them home.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 29, 2024 9:28:32 GMT
The 25 and 86 are slightly different as their higher usage has a lot to do with the area they serve and the fact a lot of passengers can’t afford the higher rail fares. With the discussion in general sometimes frequency are cut to match demand. Surely it’s better for buses to be busy instead of running around half empty. I don’t particularly like busy buses but if they are matching the demand then it’s not an issue. I think in London people have very high expectations and think a bus every ten or twelve minutes is not good enough. It’s the same on the tube where people fight to get on a packed train because they feel a 2 or 3 minute wait for the next train is too long. I don't think unaffordability is an issue on the 86 at least as the rail fare is the same as the bus one. The 86s usage is more so people alighting at the stations and pouring onto it to take them home. Is it £1.75 between Romford and Stratford on the rail though?
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Post by wirewiper on May 29, 2024 9:32:15 GMT
I also have to disagree with cutting frequencies on routes just because there are rail options near the route. The busiest route in London, the 18 parallels the Bakerlooo/London Overgound for almost all of its route, a route like that definitely cannot afford to have its frequency reduced. The 25/86 are some other examples of routes that parallel rail/tube lines that also are some of the busiest routes in London. The 25 and 86 are slightly different as their higher usage has a lot to do with the area they serve and the fact a lot of passengers can’t afford the higher rail fares. With the discussion in general sometimes frequency are cut to match demand. Surely it’s better for buses to be busy instead of running around half empty. I don’t particularly like busy buses but if they are matching the demand then it’s not an issue. I think in London people have very high expectations and think a bus every ten or twelve minutes is not good enough. It’s the same on the tube where people fight to get on a packed train because they feel a 2 or 3 minute wait for the next train is too long. The 25 and 86 are busy largely due to the sheer population density of the areas they serve. Also for many journeys, especially shorter/more local ones, the bus stops are far more conveniently located than the stations, especially given the frequency of the buses.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 29, 2024 9:35:31 GMT
I don't think unaffordability is an issue on the 86 at least as the rail fare is the same as the bus one. The 86s usage is more so people alighting at the stations and pouring onto it to take them home. Is it £1.75 between Romford and Stratford on the rail though? Seems the fare creeped up while I wasn't paying attention.
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Post by routew15 on May 29, 2024 10:01:51 GMT
It's annoying especially when routes like the 205 for example are just unreliable half the time, it really shouldn't be every 10/12 minutes I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense Have you actually used the 205… it is not exactly empty. It quite often leaves passengers behind during weekend hours. Also most journeys on this route are not end to end so the Elizabeth Line has little imperative on the 205.
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Post by Dad91 on May 29, 2024 10:41:32 GMT
It's annoying especially when routes like the 205 for example are just unreliable half the time, it really shouldn't be every 10/12 minutes I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense when 205 PVR cut it was disappointing.when use the route to moor fields route gets busy paddington.i hope S.khan don't play around with 86 25 both routes. Is back up for Ezilbeth line. And Central line When there engineering works. Commuters use 86 and 25. Stratford to Ilford North end Ilford Gants hill Newbury park. For 86 it follows the line to Romford. Now new homes being build Ilford seven kings Goodmayes within 5 years people gonna move to area
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Post by southlondonbus on May 29, 2024 11:20:20 GMT
Is it £1.75 between Romford and Stratford on the rail though? Seems the fare creeped up while I wasn't paying attention. There was a time when the zone 2-6 tube and possibly rail fare off peak was the same a bus fare but that ended about 2019 I think.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 29, 2024 15:27:43 GMT
I live in Inner London now (Zone 2). I will use route 88 as an example which runs down the road at Kentish Town. It takes way over an hour to reach Clapham so it makes sense (if possible) to spend extra on the underground and reach your destination in good time. Even if the 88 used Diesel buses, I would much rather stick with the Northern line. My point is that I understand TFL cutting Inner London routes especially when you have rail services nearby to access. The 205 has always faced traffic issues, so since the Lizzie Line has come into action I support it being reduced in frequency. It takes less than 20mins from Paddington - Whitechapel when the 205 can take over 1hr 1/2 at times. Hope I make sense Have you actually used the 205… it is not exactly empty. It quite often leaves passengers behind during weekend hours. Also most journeys on this route are not end to end so the Elizabeth Line has little imperative on the 205. Which parts are busy at the weekend and when?
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