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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jun 7, 2024 16:01:01 GMT
With the 73, yes. With the 38, no. The 73 gets busy but not as much as it used to when it went to Victoria. The 38 however is still one of the busiest routes in London especially going eastbound. The 73 is due to get a slight pvr drop of around 1-2 buses soon. Do you know what the new PVR will be?I believe the PVR is around 29 so it should drop to around 27.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 8, 2024 9:37:25 GMT
The 73 is due to get a slight pvr drop of around 1-2 buses soon. Do you know what the new PVR will be?I believe the PVR is around 29 so it should drop to around 27. Should be one bus to be dropped now what has been agreed.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 8, 2024 10:21:54 GMT
Do you know what the new PVR will be?I believe the PVR is around 29 so it should drop to around 27. Should be one bus to be dropped now what has been agreed. That might just a sighting tightening of the timetable with it cut back to Great Tichfield Street.
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Post by greg on Jun 8, 2024 11:25:33 GMT
Should be one bus to be dropped now what has been agreed. That might just a sighting tightening of the timetable with it cut back to Great Tichfield Street. I believe this is correct
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 9, 2024 0:13:40 GMT
That might just a sighting tightening of the timetable with it cut back to Great Tichfield Street. I believe this is correct A -1 on the PVR will still be very comfortable -- even before the cut back east of Oxford Circus. Always 2-3 buses on stand at Holles Street (and that's despite most buses now departing via Vere Street towards Stoke Newington now which takes a bit longer than the regular routing given how it has to cross Oxford Circus directly with the rather short green light).
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Post by greg on Jun 9, 2024 11:40:49 GMT
I believe this is correct A -1 on the PVR will still be very comfortable -- even before the cut back east of Oxford Circus. Always 2-3 buses on stand at Holles Street (and that's despite most buses now departing via Vere Street towards Stoke Newington now which takes a bit longer than the regular routing given how it has to cross Oxford Circus directly with the rather short green light). Yeah I agree, I think a lot of the routes are very comfortable. I think the 73 and 24 are very similar situations where usage has dropped due to other routes following and its all one big overbussing situation. If im correct the PVR for the 24 is 17/18, a shadow of its former self. I think the 73 could be very comfortable with a PVR of 19-20. Any slack would be covered by a 390 or 476, which anyway would be right behind
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Post by DE20106 on Jun 9, 2024 20:26:52 GMT
A -1 on the PVR will still be very comfortable -- even before the cut back east of Oxford Circus. Always 2-3 buses on stand at Holles Street (and that's despite most buses now departing via Vere Street towards Stoke Newington now which takes a bit longer than the regular routing given how it has to cross Oxford Circus directly with the rather short green light). Yeah I agree, I think a lot of the routes are very comfortable. I think the 73 and 24 are very similar situations where usage has dropped due to other routes following and it’s all one big overbussing situation. If im correct the PVR for the 24 is 17/18, a shadow of its former self. I think the 73 could be very comfortable with a PVR of 19-20. Any slack would be covered by a 390 or 476, which anyway would be right behind Youre telling me, the days when the 24 had a PVR of 29 I think, 32 57-reg allocated to it in the GAL SW days. I remember my first time on the 24, it was E86. Got on at Trafalgar Square towards HH and the bus was packed to the door, as were many other 24’s I saw that day. Now fully loaded 24’s are few and far between, really only some peak and school journeys and maybe a weekend journey if there’s been a delay
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 9, 2024 21:51:01 GMT
Yeah I agree, I think a lot of the routes are very comfortable. I think the 73 and 24 are very similar situations where usage has dropped due to other routes following and it’s all one big overbussing situation. If im correct the PVR for the 24 is 17/18, a shadow of its former self. I think the 73 could be very comfortable with a PVR of 19-20. Any slack would be covered by a 390 or 476, which anyway would be right behind Youre telling me, the days when the 24 had a PVR of 29 I think, 32 57-reg allocated to it in the GAL SW days. I remember my first time on the 24, it was E86. Got on at Trafalgar Square towards HH and the bus was packed to the door, as were many other 24’s I saw that day. Now fully loaded 24’s are few and far between, really only some peak and school journeys and maybe a weekend journey if there’s been a delay I guess the Northern line and walking more have taking custom from the 24. Probably the fullest loads can be from Hampstead Heath feeding into Camden along Malden Road.
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Post by greg on Jun 10, 2024 0:49:32 GMT
Yeah I agree, I think a lot of the routes are very comfortable. I think the 73 and 24 are very similar situations where usage has dropped due to other routes following and it’s all one big overbussing situation. If im correct the PVR for the 24 is 17/18, a shadow of its former self. I think the 73 could be very comfortable with a PVR of 19-20. Any slack would be covered by a 390 or 476, which anyway would be right behind Youre telling me, the days when the 24 had a PVR of 29 I think, 32 57-reg allocated to it in the GAL SW days. I remember my first time on the 24, it was E86. Got on at Trafalgar Square towards HH and the bus was packed to the door, as were many other 24’s I saw that day. Now fully loaded 24’s are few and far between, really only some peak and school journeys and maybe a weekend journey if there’s been a delay Im gonna say one that many may not agree or get with, but Im going to blame HS2. Hampstead Road has been one big community, it was where the 24 had most of its passengers, but now because 70% of the existing Euston residents have been kicked out the area, relocated or moved because the area is now a dump, there has been some rapid decline. As someone from the area, its quite common having to walk up to Warren Street as all the bus stops on Hampstead Road are closed because of HS2/Thames Water works and single file traffic and delays. Im not sure where you would even need to use the 24 in any scenario, the 29 or 88 being much more useful unless its Malden Road residents up to the Heath or Camden or the minimal single digit usage between Pimlico amd Parliament Square. I was a child growing up when the 24 had its Es so my memory is quite limited, but one I do remember is always preferring them to the 88’s VWLs and it was a loooot busier than it now is. Needless to say though, the 24 is very busy on the weekends (when a bus comes every 20 minutes lol).
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Post by lundnah on Jun 10, 2024 9:27:55 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 22 June 2024Frequency increase: 120 (early mornings every 20 minutes, evenings every 12 minutes)
Frequency increase: 302 (early mornings and Sundays, every 12 minutes)
Minor changes to times: 143, 260, R68, R70 Temporary timetable removed: 57, 105, 201, 213, 270
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Post by londonbuses on Jun 10, 2024 13:08:10 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 29 June 2024 Frequency decrease: 85 (reduced from 7.5bph to 6bph Mon-Sat daytimes) Frequency increase: 440 (starts earlier in the morning, increased from 3bph to 4bph Sunday daytimes, increased from 2bph to 3bph all evenings). Changing operator: 465 (RATP > TUK) Temporary timetable introduced: 31 Temporary timetable removed: 88, H91 Minor changes to times: 328, 406, 418, C1 Whoever wrote the bus changes page on TfL's website has made a major typo, claiming the 85 will run every 20 minutes when it should say every 10 minutes. The 211 reroute and operator change which should take place on this date are also missing at the moment. tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/bus-changes
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 10, 2024 13:18:30 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 29 June 2024 Frequency decrease: 85 (reduced from 7.5bph to 6bph Mon-Sat daytimes) Frequency increase: 440 (starts earlier in the morning, increased from 3bph to 4bph Sunday daytimes, increased from 2bph to 3bph all evenings). Changing operator: 465 (RATP > TUK) Temporary timetable introduced: 31 Temporary timetable removed: 88, H91 Minor changes to times: 328, 406, 418, C1 Whoever wrote the bus changes page on TfL's website has made a major typo, claiming the 85 will run every 20 minutes when it should say every 10 minutes. The 211 reroute and operator change which should take place on this date are also missing at the moment. tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/bus-changesI wonder if route 211’s changes will have a separate entry on the upcoming changes page as it is quite a big change for passengers so TFL will need to highlight it as such. I am surprised there have been no yellow notices at bus stops along the 211 route notifying passengers of the changes yet.
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Post by M1104 on Jun 10, 2024 13:26:46 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 29 June 2024 Frequency decrease: 85 (reduced from 7.5bph to 6bph Mon-Sat daytimes) Frequency increase: 440 (starts earlier in the morning, increased from 3bph to 4bph Sunday daytimes, increased from 2bph to 3bph all evenings). Changing operator: 465 (RATP > TUK) Temporary timetable introduced: 31 Temporary timetable removed: 88, H91 Minor changes to times: 328, 406, 418, C1 Whoever wrote the bus changes page on TfL's website has made a major typo, claiming the 85 will run every 20 minutes when it should say every 10 minutes. The 211 reroute and operator change which should take place on this date are also missing at the moment. tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/bus-changesI wonder if route 211’s changes will have a separate entry on the upcoming changes page as it is quite a big change for passengers so TFL will need to highlight it as such. I am surprised there have been no yellow notices at bus stops along the 211 route notifying passengers of the changes yet. This is of course assuming the changes will go ahead on that date as it has been put off numerous times before. Should TUK start off the route still going to Waterloo it should still have enough surplus stock within the fleet to take on the initial pvr for it. Perhaps on the other hand bus stop notices will be in place within the next few days. I guess it's a matter of "watch this space"...so to speak
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Post by redbus on Jun 10, 2024 13:34:08 GMT
Youre telling me, the days when the 24 had a PVR of 29 I think, 32 57-reg allocated to it in the GAL SW days. I remember my first time on the 24, it was E86. Got on at Trafalgar Square towards HH and the bus was packed to the door, as were many other 24’s I saw that day. Now fully loaded 24’s are few and far between, really only some peak and school journeys and maybe a weekend journey if there’s been a delay Im gonna say one that many may not agree or get with, but Im going to blame HS2. Hampstead Road has been one big community, it was where the 24 had most of its passengers, but now because 70% of the existing Euston residents have been kicked out the area, relocated or moved because the area is now a dump, there has been some rapid decline. As someone from the area, its quite common having to walk up to Warren Street as all the bus stops on Hampstead Road are closed because of HS2/Thames Water works and single file traffic and delays. Im not sure where you would even need to use the 24 in any scenario, the 29 or 88 being much more useful unless its Malden Road residents up to the Heath or Camden or the minimal single digit usage between Pimlico amd Parliament Square. I was a child growing up when the 24 had its Es so my memory is quite limited, but one I do remember is always preferring them to the 88’s VWLs and it was a loooot busier than it now is. Needless to say though, the 24 is very busy on the weekends (when a bus comes every 20 minutes lol). I fail to understand why any work started at Euston prior to there being a proper commitment for HS2 to terminate at Euston and not Old Oak Common. I am also surprised at the choice of Euston as a terminus, surely Paddington would be easier, cheaper and better. It has the Elizabeth line and Euston would remain with the West Coast Main line.
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Post by DE20106 on Jun 10, 2024 13:53:07 GMT
Im gonna say one that many may not agree or get with, but Im going to blame HS2. Hampstead Road has been one big community, it was where the 24 had most of its passengers, but now because 70% of the existing Euston residents have been kicked out the area, relocated or moved because the area is now a dump, there has been some rapid decline. As someone from the area, it’s quite common having to walk up to Warren Street as all the bus stops on Hampstead Road are closed because of HS2/Thames Water works and single file traffic and delays. Im not sure where you would even need to use the 24 in any scenario, the 29 or 88 being much more useful unless its Malden Road residents up to the Heath or Camden or the minimal single digit usage between Pimlico amd Parliament Square. I was a child growing up when the 24 had its Es so my memory is quite limited, but one I do remember is always preferring them to the 88’s VWLs and it was a loooot busier than it now is. Needless to say though, the 24 is very busy on the weekends (when a bus comes every 20 minutes lol). I fail to understand why any work started at Euston prior to there being a proper commitment for HS2 to terminate at Euston and not Old Oak Common. I am also surprised at the choice of Euston as a terminus, surely Paddington would be easier, cheaper and better. It has the Elizabeth line and Euston would remain with the West Coast Main line. Popular YouTuber Jago Hazzard put a video out about why HS2 won’t terminate at Paddington. Short answer is there isn’t enough capacity there to accommodate it, Marylebone was built to pretty much act as a relief station for Paddington as it is, before adding in a brand new rail network
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