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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 16, 2024 11:26:34 GMT
The entry on the upcoming bus service changes page now available too: Changes to routes 549, W12, W13 & W14 from Saturday 7 September 2024 From Saturday 7 September major changes will take place on bus routes 549, W12, W13 and W14. Details are below but more detail on these changes can be found at www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/changes-to-bus-routes-549-w12-w13-w14 Route 549 will be withdrawn and replaced by revised route W14. Route W12 will be restructured to run between Walthamstow, Coppermill Lane and Woodford Bridge. There will be no change to the route between Coppermill Lane and Walthamstow Central after which the W12 will be rerouted via Church Hill, Prospect Hill, Shernhall Street, Lea Bridge Road and Whipps Cross Bus Interchange to the grounds of Whipps Cross Hospital. From Whipps Cross Hospital the W12 will follow the current W19 route James Lane, Fairlop Road and Leytonstone Station to Leytonstone, Green Man Roundabout. From Leytonstone, Green Man Roundabout route W12 will then follow the current W14 route via Wanstead Station & High Street, Snaresbrook Station, Woodford Road, South Woodford Station, Charlie Brown's Roundabout, St Barnabas Road, Broadmead Road and Chigwell Road to Woodford Bridge. Route W12 will also be increased in frequency, from every 30 to every 15 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and from every 30 to every 20 minutes during the evenings and all day on Sundays. Route W13 will be extended from Leytonstone Bus Station via the current W14 route to Leyton Mills Retail Park via Leytonstone High Road Station, Cathall Road, Grove Green Road and Leyton Library. Route W13 will also be increased in frequency, from every 20 to every 15 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and from every 30 to every 20 minutes during the evenings and all day on Sundays. There is no change to the frequency during the daytime on Monday to Fridays. Route W14 will be restructured to run from Loughton Station via the current 549 route to South Woodford Station via Buckhurst Hill Station, Roding Valley Station, Woodford Station, Broadmead Road, Charlie Brown's Roundabout and South Woodford Station. From South Woodford Station route W14 will follow the current W12 route to Wanstead High Street via Hermon Hill, Charnwood Drive, Colvin Gardens, Elmcroft Avenue, Nightingale Lane, Stanstead Road and Grosvenor Road. From Wanstead High Street buses will run via Snaresbrook Station, Snaresbrook Road and Lea Bridge Road to start and finish at Whipps Cross Bus Interchange. Route W14 will run every 60 minutes between 0600 and 2400 on all days of the week. |
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Post by lundnah on Aug 16, 2024 15:23:24 GMT
I feel that splurge of updates needs a summary...
Weekend frequency increase: 243
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 170, 259, 279, 398, W7 Temporary timetable introduced: H9, H10
Temporary timetable removed: 105, 395
Changes to buses from Saturday 24 August 2024
Minor changes to times: 5, 15, 50, 115, 130, 194, 250, 255, 320, 410, N15, N250
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 177, 433
Temporary timetable introduced: 323
Temporary timetable removed: R68, R70
Weekend frequency increase: 66, 314
Minor changes to times: 90, 94, 289
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 18, 148, 218, 383, SL7
Temporary timetable introduced (A40 Westway closure): 13, 23, 27, 49, 70, 72, 211, 220, 267, 272, 283, 295, 306, 414, 452, C1, C3 Temporary timetable introduced (Bow Roundabout works): 25, 205, 276, 277, 425, D8 Temporary timetable introduced (King William St closure): 43, 100, 153 Rerouted: 309 (along Abbott Road) New route: 310 (starts 1 September)
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 16, 2024 15:26:48 GMT
I feel that splurge of updates needs a summary...
Weekend frequency increase: 243
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 170, 259, 279, 398, W7 Temporary timetable introduced: H9, H10
Temporary timetable removed: 105, 395
Changes to buses from Saturday 24 August 2024
Minor changes to times: 5, 15, 50, 115, 130, 194, 250, 255, 320, 410, N15, N250
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 177, 433
Temporary timetable introduced: 323
Temporary timetable removed: R68, R70
Weekend frequency increase: 66, 314
Minor changes to times: 90, 94, 289
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 18, 148, 218, 383, SL7
Temporary timetable introduced (A40 Westway closure): 13, 23, 27, 49, 70, 72, 211, 220, 267, 272, 283, 295, 306, 414, 452, C1, C3 Temporary timetable introduced (Bow Roundabout works): 25, 205, 276, 277, 425, D8 Temporary timetable introduced (King William St closure): 43, 100, 153 Rerouted: 309 (along Abbott Road) New route: 310 (starts 1 September)
Quite a short time between the 105 having its temporary timetable withdrawn, and a new one being put in place! Could this be a record? |
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 16, 2024 15:37:05 GMT
Thanks evergreenadam and lundnah. I could not find 310 update on the page but you added it in. I was expecting a 257 update but none. That either means it will quietly go back to WC with no changes to timetable which would make no sense or it will not return any time soon which will be equally farcical. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 16, 2024 16:06:52 GMT
Thanks evergreenadam and lundnah. I could not find 310 update on the page but you added it in. I was expecting a 257 update but none. That either means it will quietly go back to WC with no changes to timetable which would make no sense or it will not return any time soon which will be equally farcical. I expect the 310 launch will be covered in due course with its own webpage on the TfL website. |
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Post by lundnah on Aug 16, 2024 16:15:19 GMT
Thanks evergreenadam and lundnah . I could not find 310 update on the page but you added it in. I was expecting a 257 update but none. That either means it will quietly go back to WC with no changes to timetable which would make no sense or it will not return any time soon which will be equally farcical. I expect the 310 launch will be covered in due course with its own webpage on the TfL website. The 310 has had its own webpage on the TfL website for a couple of weeks.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 16, 2024 17:43:21 GMT
It's good to see some weekend frequency increases (66, 243, 314) in amongst the changes.
Also there's been a lot of bellyaching about the Wanstead route changes, but some passengers will enjoy frequency increases especially over the Walthamstow-Whipps Cross section of the W12. Even former 549 passengers benefit from an improved regular hourly service operating from 06.00 to 24.00, seven days a week.
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Post by lonmark on Aug 16, 2024 17:59:14 GMT
At last 314 will become every 20 minutes all day Sunday which is a bonus for Elmstead Wood/Hayes/Addington people who live there nearby. Rather than waiting for bus too long if miss it.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 16, 2024 18:03:17 GMT
It's good to see some weekend frequency increases (66, 243, 314) in amongst the changes. Also there's been a lot of bellyaching about the Wanstead route changes, but some passengers will enjoy frequency increases especially over the Walthamstow-Whipps Cross section of the W12. Even former 549 passengers benefit from an improved regular hourly service operating from 06.00 to 24.00, seven days a week. Bellyaching? Really? Sorry but the changes are pretty awful even by TfL standards! Yes some get frequency increases those getting a decrease are probably more inconvenient than the old 549 that goes back to hourly. These changes are like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I will risk eating humble pie but these changes are going to backfire especially the bus length choices and capacity. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 16, 2024 18:20:54 GMT
It's good to see some weekend frequency increases (66, 243, 314) in amongst the changes. Also there's been a lot of bellyaching about the Wanstead route changes, but some passengers will enjoy frequency increases especially over the Walthamstow-Whipps Cross section of the W12. Even former 549 passengers benefit from an improved regular hourly service operating from 06.00 to 24.00, seven days a week. Bellyaching? Really? Sorry but the changes are pretty awful even by TfL standards! Yes some get frequency increases those getting a decrease are probably more inconvenient than the old 549 that goes back to hourly. These changes are like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I will risk eating humble pie but these changes are going to backfire especially the bus length choices and capacity. But don't you think that TfL have done adequate research before implementing this? People say things will backfire, but what actually has? |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 16, 2024 22:01:26 GMT
Bellyaching? Really? Sorry but the changes are pretty awful even by TfL standards! Yes some get frequency increases those getting a decrease are probably more inconvenient than the old 549 that goes back to hourly. These changes are like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I will risk eating humble pie but these changes are going to backfire especially the bus length choices and capacity. But don't you think that TfL have done adequate research before implementing this? People say things will backfire, but what actually has? Personally, I don’t think they do adequate research when it comes to changes like this. I think it’s more a case of only being concerned with the finances and what can be saved which is a rather odd focus for a transport provider. The reasons why things don’t backfire as often isn’t necessarily because the change is successful but because people use alternative means, mainly non bus ones so all TfL is doing is accelerating decline and reducing revenue coming in |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 16, 2024 23:54:28 GMT
I feel that splurge of updates needs a summary...
Weekend frequency increase: 243
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 170, 259, 279, 398, W7 Temporary timetable introduced: H9, H10
Temporary timetable removed: 105, 395
Changes to buses from Saturday 24 August 2024
Minor changes to times: 5, 15, 50, 115, 130, 194, 250, 255, 320, 410, N15, N250
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 177, 433
Temporary timetable introduced: 323
Temporary timetable removed: R68, R70
Weekend frequency increase: 66, 314
Minor changes to times: 90, 94, 289
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 18, 148, 218, 383, SL7
Temporary timetable introduced (A40 Westway closure): 13, 23, 27, 49, 70, 72, 211, 220, 267, 272, 283, 295, 306, 414, 452, C1, C3 Temporary timetable introduced (Bow Roundabout works): 25, 205, 276, 277, 425, D8 Temporary timetable introduced (King William St closure): 43, 100, 153 Rerouted: 309 (along Abbott Road) New route: 310 (starts 1 September)
The 148 is probably best categorised as a cut as the weekday and Saturday frequencies goes down to every 12 from every 10. I'd also never previously noticed the oddity of the weekend night service being less frequent than the weekday night service which both remain unchanged.
The W7 is also an off-peak increase and peak decrease and Sat/Sun early increase which on the whole is probably an overall increase in trips per week (?).
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 17, 2024 6:07:09 GMT
I feel that splurge of updates needs a summary...
Weekend frequency increase: 243
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 170, 259, 279, 398, W7 Temporary timetable introduced: H9, H10
Temporary timetable removed: 105, 395
Changes to buses from Saturday 24 August 2024
Minor changes to times: 5, 15, 50, 115, 130, 194, 250, 255, 320, 410, N15, N250
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 177, 433
Temporary timetable introduced: 323
Temporary timetable removed: R68, R70
Weekend frequency increase: 66, 314
Minor changes to times: 90, 94, 289
Times revised to better reflect traffic levels: 18, 148, 218, 383, SL7
Temporary timetable introduced (A40 Westway closure): 13, 23, 27, 49, 70, 72, 211, 220, 267, 272, 283, 295, 306, 414, 452, C1, C3 Temporary timetable introduced (Bow Roundabout works): 25, 205, 276, 277, 425, D8 Temporary timetable introduced (King William St closure): 43, 100, 153 Rerouted: 309 (along Abbott Road) New route: 310 (starts 1 September)
The 148 is probably best categorised as a cut as the weekday and Saturday frequencies goes down to every 12 from every 10. I'd also never previously noticed the oddity of the weekend night service being less frequent than the weekday night service which both remain unchanged.
The W7 is also an off-peak increase and peak decrease and Sat/Sun early increase which on the whole is probably an overall increase in trips per week (?).
Rather a shame that the 148 is being reduced in frequency as it seems well used apart from the Shepherds Bush to White City Bus Station section. The lower night frequency at weekends is indeed odd. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 17, 2024 7:41:31 GMT
Something that's slipped through quietly - the weekend night service on the W7 is officially withdrawn from today's timetable change, having been suspended since April 2020.
Source: Bus News Flash, 16th August 2024 (via LondonsTransport Google Group)
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 17, 2024 8:12:09 GMT
Something that's slipped through quietly - the weekend night service on the W7 is officially withdrawn from today's timetable change, having been suspended since April 2020. Source: Bus News Flash, 16th August 2024 (via LondonsTransport Google Group)You’d have thought that would have been a successful weekend night service given that Finsbury Park has two weekend night tube lines and that the daytime W7 is such a big feeder to the tube. |
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