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Post by jay38a on Oct 31, 2015 1:19:44 GMT
Having driven the 353 this evening:
1) I took a whole 5 people over the whole shift to and from Courtwood Lane
2) The end of Courtwood Lane is horrific with the parking, i lost 2 mins each way squeezing through gaps that are only just wide enough for the bus.....
3) The timetable is still shocking at night, was 10 mins late on one trip, then on my last only 2 mins late but thats cause i only stopped about 3 times.
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Post by sam1212 on Oct 31, 2015 7:41:32 GMT
I think it would be a good idea for the 433 to be extended from addington village to west wickham , addington residents are allways complaining that they have to get 2 buses there The 433 is very frequent though so any extension would be expensive. Probably better to extend the 464 or 359 to West Wickham as they're low frequency and therefore it's far cheaper to extend them and you give time for patronage to build up. 359 is probably better as it has some schedule "slack" and uses larger buses than the 464. You could probably extend the 359 with just 1 extra bus on the PVR. What is interesting about your remark is just how awkward a relatively local journey actually is. Athough there's an obvious road to use up to Shirley and then along no buses use that road and instead skirt round the edge of the area and never reach West Wickham. Would shopping be the main reason for going to West Wickham or is there also schools traffic? I went through the area on a 194 recently at school kicking out time and there were a lot of kids around using various buses. mainly shopping the residents complain about as west wickham has many shops addington and selsdon doesent , very few kids from addington go to school near west wickham as most choose charles Darwin or addington high |
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Post by sid on Oct 31, 2015 10:57:02 GMT
I think it would be a good idea for the 433 to be extended from addington village to west wickham , addington residents are allways complaining that they have to get 2 buses there I think there is a definite case for a route, about every 15/20mins, from New Addington via Spout Hill (using the emergency gate at the width restriction) Shrublands and Spring Park maybe to West Wickham station? |
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Post by danorak on Oct 31, 2015 19:15:47 GMT
I think it would be a good idea for the 433 to be extended from addington village to west wickham , addington residents are allways complaining that they have to get 2 buses there I think there is a definite case for a route, about every 15/20mins, from New Addington via Spout Hill (using the emergency gate at the width restriction) Shrublands and Spring Park maybe to West Wickham station? Instead of West Wickham Station, you could serve the area south of the High Street which is currently remote from services. You could go via the Grove, Woodland Way and Wood Lodge Lane, turning at the junction of Stambourne Way. I suspect you'd have to drive carefully to get past all the residents lying down in the road in protest. I suppose it could take over the Courtwood Lane bit from the 353 instead of going to New Addington. |
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Post by sid on Nov 1, 2015 0:24:00 GMT
I think there is a definite case for a route, about every 15/20mins, from New Addington via Spout Hill (using the emergency gate at the width restriction) Shrublands and Spring Park maybe to West Wickham station? Instead of West Wickham Station, you could serve the area south of the High Street which is currently remote from services. You could go via the Grove, Woodland Way and Wood Lodge Lane, turning at the junction of Stambourne Way. I suspect you'd have to drive carefully to get past all the residents lying down in the road in protest. I suppose it could take over the Courtwood Lane bit from the 353 instead of going to New Addington. That's what I meant actually, the area I referred to loosely (and probably wrongly) as Spring Park. I thought terminating at the station might encourage more commuters in the Shirley area to use West Wickham rather than East Croydon |
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Post by londonbusboy on Nov 1, 2015 13:43:39 GMT
I've heard quite a few passengers talking amongst themselves (on different occasions) on my 314 complaining about the changes
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Post by sid on Nov 1, 2015 14:41:16 GMT
Whilst a lot of this sounds like moaning for the sake of it the night service could have remained as it was (via Arnhem Drive) and done a double run to Vulcan Way and terminated at Homestead Way as before |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2015 14:48:52 GMT
I may not live there but even I can tell that the locals who were quoted in the article do not know what they are on about. New Addington is far from quiet at night due to the local yobs running around causing trouble. As for pollution, there is actually no change and anyway, if said person is so concerned, ditch your car and use the public transport as the bus is more cleaner than a car, particularly if it's a VW lol. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2015 14:53:58 GMT
Whilst a lot of this sounds like moaning for the sake of it the night service could have remained as it was (via Arnhem Drive) and done a double run to Vulcan Way and terminated at Homestead Way as before It doesn't sound like it, it is just moaning for the sake of it personally. It was said elsewhere but I'm afraid if people don't like, do everyone else a favour and move house! Same goes to those Purley Oaks Road residents as well - I'm sick and tired of posh and rich people dictating where a bus can or can't go just to 'supposedly' protect their property. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 1, 2015 17:06:26 GMT
Plus wuth the exception of the a new stretch on homestead way between the old bus stand and Overbury crescent the N64 and N159 before that ran around all the same roads as the rerouted 64 anyway.
Iv been down there twice since the changes and admittedly was of peak but there was no shortage of capacity at all from what I could see.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 1, 2015 17:15:57 GMT
Whilst a lot of this sounds like moaning for the sake of it the night service could have remained as it was (via Arnhem Drive) and done a double run to Vulcan Way and terminated at Homestead Way as before Don't see why they moan, Arnhem Drive have lost nothing, hardly a long walk to New Addington Tram Stop as well as King Henry's Drive on that road to catch the 64 at night. Vulcan Way is bigger than Homestead Way, which is probably why it was moved there and converted to a 24 Hour service. In Addition "New Addington to be even more cut off from the rest of the borough? Some might say that is a good thing" is a load of rubbish lol, where does the 64 go then, hardly cut off from the rest of the borough of Croydon... "64 is double decker-unsuitable for these roads. It's also being re-routed along a road which never before had buses,totally against residents wishes." So what was used on the N64 & N159 for all those years then as well as the T32. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 17:27:33 GMT
Whilst a lot of this sounds like moaning for the sake of it the night service could have remained as it was (via Arnhem Drive) and done a double run to Vulcan Way and terminated at Homestead Way as before Don't see why they moan, Arnhem Drive have lost nothing, hardly a long walk to New Addington Tram Stop as well as King Henry's Drive on that road to catch the 64 at night. Vulcan Way is bigger than Homestead Way, which is probably why it was moved there and converted to a 24 Hour service. In Addition "New Addington to be even more cut off from the rest of the borough? Some might say that is a good thing" is a load of rubbish lol, where does the 64 go then, hardly cut off from the rest of the borough of Croydon... "64 is double decker-unsuitable for these roads. It's also being re-routed along a road which never before had buses,totally against residents wishes." So what was used on the N64 & N159 for all those years then as well as the T32. If anything it''s the total opposite, they are having more options being connected to them, these residents just annoy me and restricting good work just for their own greed however though others in the areas that need it. These were the people that were complaining about tram being extended to Wimbledon and now with the improved works that it may be extended back to Beckenham Junction, they're going to complain about it again , I just don't get it plus if tfl extend a route which the residents don't want what's the worse the residents can do?  |
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 1, 2015 17:37:36 GMT
Don't see why they moan, Arnhem Drive have lost nothing, hardly a long walk to New Addington Tram Stop as well as King Henry's Drive on that road to catch the 64 at night. Vulcan Way is bigger than Homestead Way, which is probably why it was moved there and converted to a 24 Hour service. In Addition "New Addington to be even more cut off from the rest of the borough? Some might say that is a good thing" is a load of rubbish lol, where does the 64 go then, hardly cut off from the rest of the borough of Croydon... "64 is double decker-unsuitable for these roads. It's also being re-routed along a road which never before had buses,totally against residents wishes." So what was used on the N64 & N159 for all those years then as well as the T32. If anything it''s the total opposite, they are having more options being connected to them, these residents just annoy me and restricting good work just for their own greed however though others in the areas that need it. These were the people that were complaining about tram being extended to Wimbledon and now with the improved works that it may be extended back to Beckenham Junction, they're going to complain about it again , I just don't get it plus if tfl extend a route which the residents don't want what's the worse the residents can do? I agree fully and its usually the ungrateful people  . The T31 & T32 went from nowhere to nowhere, and deserved to be withdrawn. The newly designed 64 & 130 can take people somewhere other than just the local area. The 359 extension is a good link, if Purley Downs Road residents who do not want a bus service should move elsewhere, the service will certainly benefit someone. |
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Post by sid on Nov 1, 2015 19:13:31 GMT
I think the 130 and 464 could have been left as they were, nobody seemed to object to them, and the revamped 64 could have gone via Arnhem Drive
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. The T31 & T32 went from nowhere to nowhere, and deserved to be withdrawn. The newly designed 64 & 130 can take people somewhere other than just the local area.