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Post by sam1212 on Nov 2, 2015 21:01:23 GMT
Overbury Crescent didn't have double deckers before the changes, they had the single deck 130 and 464 which nobody seemed to object to, Arnhem Drive on the other hand is a long established route for double deckers. I don't anybody could reasonably object to the removal of the T routes and I don't think anybody is expecting New Addington to be a 'special case'. well overbury did, the 664's go down there and there double deck and they coped just fine, I've also heard that Charles Darwin are trying for 3 664's? |
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Post by sid on Nov 2, 2015 21:08:08 GMT
Overbury Crescent didn't have double deckers before the changes, they had the single deck 130 and 464 which nobody seemed to object to, Arnhem Drive on the other hand is a long established route for double deckers. I don't anybody could reasonably object to the removal of the T routes and I don't think anybody is expecting New Addington to be a 'special case'. well overbury did, the 664's go down there and there double deck and they coped just fine That's a bit different to a 24 hour service which is what the objections are about |
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Post by Paul on Nov 3, 2015 0:36:10 GMT
well overbury did, the 664's go down there and there double deck and they coped just fine, I've also heard that Charles Darwin are trying for 3 664's? Where's that come from? I drive the 664 and it copes fine with two buses. A third is not necessary at all |
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Post by sid on Nov 5, 2015 14:26:25 GMT
I had a ride this morning from Purley to Addington Village, just one other person on at the start although we were going against the flow, the bus I saw coming into Purley was busier. Picked up some people who all got off at Selsdon. Nobody else boarded until Monks Hill, picked up some old dears and they got off at the main road to get the 64 and nobody else to AV. I don't think I have ever known such a short route with 30 minutes stand time at one end, I'm sure drivers aren't complaining but obviously a poor use of resources. The 64's I saw towards Croydon were well loaded. I agree that the 359 has potential and could be a bit longer, I've scribbled a few ideas on a beer mat which I'll post on the new ideas section in due course. I did the 359 today as I could not fit it in the other day. From Addington Village and back There are a number of things which need to be mentioned here. The route is quite a handy fast link to Purley from Addington Village and far quicker than the 466. In addition there were quite a number of people using the bus. Sooner or later the 359 may become very popular. Purley Downs Road residents who do not want the bus down there can bugger off and move house. The route has been timetabled such a way that only one bus will serve Monks Hill at a time, the roads are two tight to have two buses serving it at once, there is a few roads which are double served in the same journey. The route does not need to be extended further otherwise the Monks Hill section should be removed. The 30 Minute stand time is nessassary. Only 2 buses are in service at once while the 3rd Bus Stands at Purley. I did the route to Addington Village too, on apprach from Sanderstead to Selsdon traffic builds up and by the time the bus reaches Addington Village it does not even stand there it goes back to Purley. The route has not been timetabled in such a way that buses don't meet at Monks Hill, on the three end to end journies I have done two met there and on the other trip I didn't see the other bus so both must have been on the loop at the same time. Farnborough Avenue is the only tight bit and buses could use Heathfield Vale instead to/from the main road without causing too much hardship for anyone. On the latest trip, 6 passengers boarded in Purley, one got off in Purley Downs Road, two in Selsdon, two in Monks Hill and one all the way to Addington Village. Also picked up a few shoppers in Selsdon all of whom got off in Monks Hill. Also noted the 353 to Courtwood Lane carrying the same amount of fresh air that the T31 did, little custom for the 466 and 8bph between AV and Selsdon Vale are clearly not needed, 4bph would be more than adequate. I don't know if it's been mentioned before but a slightly odd arrangement for the 64 and 130 at the Vulcan Way stand where the stand is past the first pick up point and so buses turn right into KHD and go round again to pick up and then turn left into KHD to commence their route |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 0:02:24 GMT
I live near Milne Park and I don't drive so rely on the buses. Overall less frequency, longer wait times, dismal evening and weekend services, terrible synchronisation with the tram. If a RTC happens (as they do) on Lodge Lane then the services are terminated at Addington Village. Sunday's are a write off. Bus apps don't work, TFL website not yet updated. It's all a bit of a mess. TFL had over 830 replies and still went ahead with the original proposed changes. Not one alteration. I went to the consultation meeting and the TFL representative was hardly taking notes! As a local I can tell you from experience that these changes have had a detrimental effect in the area. I'm keen to find out what better direct links to overground stations there are? The nearest overground is West Wickham, but no service from New Addington goes there. Though Hayes (on the same train line) is only 3 miles away and is served by the 314, but this bus does not cover the whole of Addington and with the loss of the service between Vulcan way and Golcrest Drive you now have to go all the way around the estate. Getting to Croydon by bus has increased by 15-20 mins adding an extra 30 mins a day to travel times to work  This was my essay to the tfl consultation team .... it was probably binned with the many others! Below are my thoughts on the proposed bus changes in the New Addington area. I attended the drop-in, though it did not seem many notes were taken there by the representatives. Loss of service on King Henry's Drive between Goldcrest and Vulcan Way This is a big issue here for local residents. The hill here is very steep and parts of it gets flooded after heavy rain. In the winter when it is icy, it is difficult to walk up, impossible for pensioners. Families with small children need a service here to get to the two schools at the top of the hill. This part of the recommendation needs to change. There must be a route service this road. A rethink here has to happen. Vulcan Way stop/terminus The Vulcan Way stop/terminus right outside the factories. It's always congested with large vehicles that serve the factories. To get to these stops from the junior schools opposite will mean parents taking children through the factories, passing many car parking places where cars will be reversing into the road. Is this a safe option? Also this area is not well lit. Direct link to Addington Village With the current proposals we lose a fast service (route 64) from New Addington to Addington Village. Extending the 466 from Addington Village to New Addington will solve this and will give the route a bit more purpose, it will also give a quicker journey to and from Croydon than the 64 will. Keep a hopper / feeder route serving the estate Much of the bus traffic on the estate is local, with parents taking their children to school, visiting local shops, doctors and getting to and from a tram stop. A local estate only bus that would circulate within the estate and will not face holdups caused outside the area would be welcomed. This route could be a combination of the T31 and T32 routes; a single decker bus with an approximate 12 minute frequency. Running from Fieldway tram stop around the Fieldway estate, stopping at King Henry's Drive Tram stop, running through the Boots Estate at the top end, terminating at New Addington Tram stop. A true Tramlink bus. Points to note Currently a journey to central London by public transport for residents of New Addington/Fieldway takes a journey time of approx 1.5 hours. The vast majority of the time we residents are forced to go via East Croydon using the tram. With the new changes happening at London Bridge this will add a further 15-20 minutes to a journey north of the river not involving travelling via Victoria. Any traffic issues on Lodge Lane or Kent Gate Way severely impact the buses on the estate. If Lodge Lane is blocked or has an accident on it, then we are cut off. Historically with bus routes then terminating at Addington Village and not serving the estate. Last month there was a fire in Croydon, buses were at a standstill, what happens to New Addington, we would get stranded with no buses serving this area 130, 64 delayed in Croydon. In the mornings people get the tram from Fieldway to New Addington, then sit on the tram to go back the other way to guarantee a seat on the tram in the morning. A new route on the estate We could do with another route to from New Addington via Salt Box Hill, Leaves Green and Keston to West Wickham rail station. Or better still Bromley South, via West Wickham. This will give the residents of New Addington more options to travel to and from London opening up more job opportunities. I have attached a 2 page PDF with possible options. Routes 464 Please increase the frequency of the 464 in the evenings to two buses an hour. Also like the other routes, this bus is also a feeder bus for the trams, though you currently have to pay an additional fare when getting on this service. This needs to be brought into line with the other routes. 314 This bus could be extended run a bit further on around the estate, to terminate at Milne Park. Maybe turning left at Goldcrest Way onto King Henry's Drive, then back through Arnhem Drive to New Addington, Gascoigne Road, Left onto King Henry's Drive and Terminate at Fieldway. Other needs Can you look at putting bus Countdown screens at the stops in New Addington? You never know how long you've got to wait; especially in the evenings. A large train/airport style display, showing bus and tram departure times for all the local stops at the tram terminus, maybe situated on the New Addington Pathfinders building would be excellent. On the reverse sides of the tram time displays please show the next departing tram time - so you can see how long you have to get across the road from the bus stop. Everybody dangerously runs across these roads; because they can't tell when the tram will leave. They all see it sitting there and rush to get on it before it leaves. There is a joke around these parts that the bus pulls in and the tram drives off. Cars fly round those bends in the road; I've seen a lot of near misses there. Especially with kids. The new barriers make it worse, as it means people have to work around these and rush even more! Also you need to time the bus and trams link times to New Addington stop, not Addington Village. People get on and off at New Addington, the last stop, then continue their journey to the specific part of the estate. Not Addington Village where the bus first has to go around the houses. This is especially an issue in the evening when people are returning from work or an evening out. You could look at adding an extra 664 school bus in the morning. Also please give all the bus stops letters and unique names. Having a northbound and southbound stops with the same names is a nightmare for online systems. Cally Down Crescent is a great example of this. Some online apps do not show the direction of the route so you cannot tell which is which. ESSAY OVER b. |
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Post by sid on Nov 19, 2015 7:38:20 GMT
I live near Milne Park and I don't drive so rely on the buses. Overall less frequency, longer wait times, dismal evening and weekend services, terrible synchronisation with the tram. If a RTC happens (as they do) on Lodge Lane then the services are terminated at Addington Village. Sunday's are a write off. Bus apps don't work, TFL website not yet updated. It's all a bit of a mess. TFL had over 830 replies and still went ahead with the original proposed changes. Not one alteration. I went to the consultation meeting and the TFL representative was hardly taking notes! As a local I can tell you from experience that these changes have had a detrimental effect in the area. I'm keen to find out what better direct links to overground stations there are? The nearest overground is West Wickham, but no service from New Addington goes there. Though Hayes (on the same train line) is only 3 miles away and is served by the 314, but this bus does not cover the whole of Addington and with the loss of the service between Vulcan way and Golcrest Drive you now have to go all the way around the estate. Getting to Croydon by bus has increased by 15-20 mins adding an extra 30 mins a day to travel times to work This was my essay to the tfl consultation team .... it was probably binned with the many others! Below are my thoughts on the proposed bus changes in the New Addington area. I attended the drop-in, though it did not seem many notes were taken there by the representatives. Loss of service on King Henry's Drive between Goldcrest and Vulcan Way This is a big issue here for local residents. The hill here is very steep and parts of it gets flooded after heavy rain. In the winter when it is icy, it is difficult to walk up, impossible for pensioners. Families with small children need a service here to get to the two schools at the top of the hill. This part of the recommendation needs to change. There must be a route service this road. A rethink here has to happen. Vulcan Way stop/terminus The Vulcan Way stop/terminus right outside the factories. It's always congested with large vehicles that serve the factories. To get to these stops from the junior schools opposite will mean parents taking children through the factories, passing many car parking places where cars will be reversing into the road. Is this a safe option? Also this area is not well lit. Direct link to Addington Village With the current proposals we lose a fast service (route 64) from New Addington to Addington Village. Extending the 466 from Addington Village to New Addington will solve this and will give the route a bit more purpose, it will also give a quicker journey to and from Croydon than the 64 will. Keep a hopper / feeder route serving the estate Much of the bus traffic on the estate is local, with parents taking their children to school, visiting local shops, doctors and getting to and from a tram stop. A local estate only bus that would circulate within the estate and will not face holdups caused outside the area would be welcomed. This route could be a combination of the T31 and T32 routes; a single decker bus with an approximate 12 minute frequency. Running from Fieldway tram stop around the Fieldway estate, stopping at King Henry's Drive Tram stop, running through the Boots Estate at the top end, terminating at New Addington Tram stop. A true Tramlink bus. Points to note Currently a journey to central London by public transport for residents of New Addington/Fieldway takes a journey time of approx 1.5 hours. The vast majority of the time we residents are forced to go via East Croydon using the tram. With the new changes happening at London Bridge this will add a further 15-20 minutes to a journey north of the river not involving travelling via Victoria. Any traffic issues on Lodge Lane or Kent Gate Way severely impact the buses on the estate. If Lodge Lane is blocked or has an accident on it, then we are cut off. Historically with bus routes then terminating at Addington Village and not serving the estate. Last month there was a fire in Croydon, buses were at a standstill, what happens to New Addington, we would get stranded with no buses serving this area 130, 64 delayed in Croydon. In the mornings people get the tram from Fieldway to New Addington, then sit on the tram to go back the other way to guarantee a seat on the tram in the morning. A new route on the estate We could do with another route to from New Addington via Salt Box Hill, Leaves Green and Keston to West Wickham rail station. Or better still Bromley South, via West Wickham. This will give the residents of New Addington more options to travel to and from London opening up more job opportunities. I have attached a 2 page PDF with possible options. Routes 464 Please increase the frequency of the 464 in the evenings to two buses an hour. Also like the other routes, this bus is also a feeder bus for the trams, though you currently have to pay an additional fare when getting on this service. This needs to be brought into line with the other routes. 314 This bus could be extended run a bit further on around the estate, to terminate at Milne Park. Maybe turning left at Goldcrest Way onto King Henry's Drive, then back through Arnhem Drive to New Addington, Gascoigne Road, Left onto King Henry's Drive and Terminate at Fieldway. Other needs Can you look at putting bus Countdown screens at the stops in New Addington? You never know how long you've got to wait; especially in the evenings. A large train/airport style display, showing bus and tram departure times for all the local stops at the tram terminus, maybe situated on the New Addington Pathfinders building would be excellent. On the reverse sides of the tram time displays please show the next departing tram time - so you can see how long you have to get across the road from the bus stop. Everybody dangerously runs across these roads; because they can't tell when the tram will leave. They all see it sitting there and rush to get on it before it leaves. There is a joke around these parts that the bus pulls in and the tram drives off. Cars fly round those bends in the road; I've seen a lot of near misses there. Especially with kids. The new barriers make it worse, as it means people have to work around these and rush even more! Also you need to time the bus and trams link times to New Addington stop, not Addington Village. People get on and off at New Addington, the last stop, then continue their journey to the specific part of the estate. Not Addington Village where the bus first has to go around the houses. This is especially an issue in the evening when people are returning from work or an evening out. You could look at adding an extra 664 school bus in the morning. Also please give all the bus stops letters and unique names. Having a northbound and southbound stops with the same names is a nightmare for online systems. Cally Down Crescent is a great example of this. Some online apps do not show the direction of the route so you cannot tell which is which. ESSAY OVER b. Interesting, just to pick up on a few points. Why are Sundays a write off? I don't see what you mean by that but maybe I'm missing something? I take your point about accidents blocking Lodge Lane but at least there is Tramlink now. I totally agree about the direct link between Goldcrest and Vulcan Way, how on earth TfL thought removing that was acceptable I don't know. I certainly see your point about the problems with the Vulcan Way stand and ridiculously the nearby Homestead Way stand is now unused. I totally agree about extending the 466 up to New Addington but TfL seem obsessed about not letting anything compete with Tramlink on journey times. I can see your point about keeping a local service within the estate but TfL will point to the Tramlink feeder routes being poorly used. I agree a link to West Wickham is needed although would many people use it to get the train to London? The 314 isn't very well used. I'm not at all suprised about people getting on the tram at Fieldway (and shouldn't that stop be renamed?) to the terminus and staying on back to Croydon. The same thing happened when I was on the C routes as buses were often full by the time it reaches the bottom of the estate. The 464 being only hourly in the evening is just ridiculous. Whilst Tramlink is great it only serves part of the estate and I think that the rest of the estate has had a worse service since its inception. I would think its fair to say New Addington must be some of the best bus operating territory in the London area, such a shame that TfL still can't get it right! |
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Post by jay38a on Nov 19, 2015 18:03:16 GMT
I live near Milne Park and I don't drive so rely on the buses. Overall less frequency, longer wait times, dismal evening and weekend services, terrible synchronisation with the tram. If a RTC happens (as they do) on Lodge Lane then the services are terminated at Addington Village. Sunday's are a write off. Bus apps don't work, TFL website not yet updated. It's all a bit of a mess. TFL had over 830 replies and still went ahead with the original proposed changes. Not one alteration. I went to the consultation meeting and the TFL representative was hardly taking notes! As a local I can tell you from experience that these changes have had a detrimental effect in the area. I'm keen to find out what better direct links to overground stations there are? The nearest overground is West Wickham, but no service from New Addington goes there. Though Hayes (on the same train line) is only 3 miles away and is served by the 314, but this bus does not cover the whole of Addington and with the loss of the service between Vulcan way and Golcrest Drive you now have to go all the way around the estate. Getting to Croydon by bus has increased by 15-20 mins adding an extra 30 mins a day to travel times to work This was my essay to the tfl consultation team .... it was probably binned with the many others! Below are my thoughts on the proposed bus changes in the New Addington area. I attended the drop-in, though it did not seem many notes were taken there by the representatives. Loss of service on King Henry's Drive between Goldcrest and Vulcan Way This is a big issue here for local residents. The hill here is very steep and parts of it gets flooded after heavy rain. In the winter when it is icy, it is difficult to walk up, impossible for pensioners. Families with small children need a service here to get to the two schools at the top of the hill. This part of the recommendation needs to change. There must be a route service this road. A rethink here has to happen. Vulcan Way stop/terminus The Vulcan Way stop/terminus right outside the factories. It's always congested with large vehicles that serve the factories. To get to these stops from the junior schools opposite will mean parents taking children through the factories, passing many car parking places where cars will be reversing into the road. Is this a safe option? Also this area is not well lit. Direct link to Addington Village With the current proposals we lose a fast service (route 64) from New Addington to Addington Village. Extending the 466 from Addington Village to New Addington will solve this and will give the route a bit more purpose, it will also give a quicker journey to and from Croydon than the 64 will. Keep a hopper / feeder route serving the estate Much of the bus traffic on the estate is local, with parents taking their children to school, visiting local shops, doctors and getting to and from a tram stop. A local estate only bus that would circulate within the estate and will not face holdups caused outside the area would be welcomed. This route could be a combination of the T31 and T32 routes; a single decker bus with an approximate 12 minute frequency. Running from Fieldway tram stop around the Fieldway estate, stopping at King Henry's Drive Tram stop, running through the Boots Estate at the top end, terminating at New Addington Tram stop. A true Tramlink bus. Points to note Currently a journey to central London by public transport for residents of New Addington/Fieldway takes a journey time of approx 1.5 hours. The vast majority of the time we residents are forced to go via East Croydon using the tram. With the new changes happening at London Bridge this will add a further 15-20 minutes to a journey north of the river not involving travelling via Victoria. Any traffic issues on Lodge Lane or Kent Gate Way severely impact the buses on the estate. If Lodge Lane is blocked or has an accident on it, then we are cut off. Historically with bus routes then terminating at Addington Village and not serving the estate. Last month there was a fire in Croydon, buses were at a standstill, what happens to New Addington, we would get stranded with no buses serving this area 130, 64 delayed in Croydon. In the mornings people get the tram from Fieldway to New Addington, then sit on the tram to go back the other way to guarantee a seat on the tram in the morning. A new route on the estate We could do with another route to from New Addington via Salt Box Hill, Leaves Green and Keston to West Wickham rail station. Or better still Bromley South, via West Wickham. This will give the residents of New Addington more options to travel to and from London opening up more job opportunities. I have attached a 2 page PDF with possible options. Routes 464 Please increase the frequency of the 464 in the evenings to two buses an hour. Also like the other routes, this bus is also a feeder bus for the trams, though you currently have to pay an additional fare when getting on this service. This needs to be brought into line with the other routes. 314 This bus could be extended run a bit further on around the estate, to terminate at Milne Park. Maybe turning left at Goldcrest Way onto King Henry's Drive, then back through Arnhem Drive to New Addington, Gascoigne Road, Left onto King Henry's Drive and Terminate at Fieldway. Other needs Can you look at putting bus Countdown screens at the stops in New Addington? You never know how long you've got to wait; especially in the evenings. A large train/airport style display, showing bus and tram departure times for all the local stops at the tram terminus, maybe situated on the New Addington Pathfinders building would be excellent. On the reverse sides of the tram time displays please show the next departing tram time - so you can see how long you have to get across the road from the bus stop. Everybody dangerously runs across these roads; because they can't tell when the tram will leave. They all see it sitting there and rush to get on it before it leaves. There is a joke around these parts that the bus pulls in and the tram drives off. Cars fly round those bends in the road; I've seen a lot of near misses there. Especially with kids. The new barriers make it worse, as it means people have to work around these and rush even more! Also you need to time the bus and trams link times to New Addington stop, not Addington Village. People get on and off at New Addington, the last stop, then continue their journey to the specific part of the estate. Not Addington Village where the bus first has to go around the houses. This is especially an issue in the evening when people are returning from work or an evening out. You could look at adding an extra 664 school bus in the morning. Also please give all the bus stops letters and unique names. Having a northbound and southbound stops with the same names is a nightmare for online systems. Cally Down Crescent is a great example of this. Some online apps do not show the direction of the route so you cannot tell which is which. ESSAY OVER b. I can drive the 464 occasionally in the evening and hourly is just fine, when it was half hourly you were carrying around fresh air and you still do on the hourly service. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 19, 2015 21:01:03 GMT
You could look at adding an extra 664 school bus in the morning Genuinely curious, as a 664 driver, why you think an extra bus in the morning is needed? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 11:16:10 GMT
You could look at adding an extra 664 school bus in the morning Genuinely curious, as a 664 driver, why you think an extra bus in the morning is needed? Just going by what the local kids say. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 11:35:51 GMT
I live near Milne Park and I don't drive so rely on the buses. Overall less frequency, longer wait times, dismal evening and weekend services, terrible synchronisation with the tram. If a RTC happens (as they do) on Lodge Lane then the services are terminated at Addington Village. Sunday's are a write off. Bus apps don't work, TFL website not yet updated. It's all a bit of a mess. TFL had over 830 replies and still went ahead with the original proposed changes. Not one alteration. I went to the consultation meeting and the TFL representative was hardly taking notes! As a local I can tell you from experience that these changes have had a detrimental effect in the area. I'm keen to find out what better direct links to overground stations there are? The nearest overground is West Wickham, but no service from New Addington goes there. Though Hayes (on the same train line) is only 3 miles away and is served by the 314, but this bus does not cover the whole of Addington and with the loss of the service between Vulcan way and Golcrest Drive you now have to go all the way around the estate. Getting to Croydon by bus has increased by 15-20 mins adding an extra 30 mins a day to travel times to work This was my essay to the tfl consultation team .... it was probably binned with the many others! Below are my thoughts on the proposed bus changes in the New Addington area. I attended the drop-in, though it did not seem many notes were taken there by the representatives. Loss of service on King Henry's Drive between Goldcrest and Vulcan Way This is a big issue here for local residents. The hill here is very steep and parts of it gets flooded after heavy rain. In the winter when it is icy, it is difficult to walk up, impossible for pensioners. Families with small children need a service here to get to the two schools at the top of the hill. This part of the recommendation needs to change. There must be a route service this road. A rethink here has to happen. Vulcan Way stop/terminus The Vulcan Way stop/terminus right outside the factories. It's always congested with large vehicles that serve the factories. To get to these stops from the junior schools opposite will mean parents taking children through the factories, passing many car parking places where cars will be reversing into the road. Is this a safe option? Also this area is not well lit. Direct link to Addington Village With the current proposals we lose a fast service (route 64) from New Addington to Addington Village. Extending the 466 from Addington Village to New Addington will solve this and will give the route a bit more purpose, it will also give a quicker journey to and from Croydon than the 64 will. Keep a hopper / feeder route serving the estate Much of the bus traffic on the estate is local, with parents taking their children to school, visiting local shops, doctors and getting to and from a tram stop. A local estate only bus that would circulate within the estate and will not face holdups caused outside the area would be welcomed. This route could be a combination of the T31 and T32 routes; a single decker bus with an approximate 12 minute frequency. Running from Fieldway tram stop around the Fieldway estate, stopping at King Henry's Drive Tram stop, running through the Boots Estate at the top end, terminating at New Addington Tram stop. A true Tramlink bus. Points to note Currently a journey to central London by public transport for residents of New Addington/Fieldway takes a journey time of approx 1.5 hours. The vast majority of the time we residents are forced to go via East Croydon using the tram. With the new changes happening at London Bridge this will add a further 15-20 minutes to a journey north of the river not involving travelling via Victoria. Any traffic issues on Lodge Lane or Kent Gate Way severely impact the buses on the estate. If Lodge Lane is blocked or has an accident on it, then we are cut off. Historically with bus routes then terminating at Addington Village and not serving the estate. Last month there was a fire in Croydon, buses were at a standstill, what happens to New Addington, we would get stranded with no buses serving this area 130, 64 delayed in Croydon. In the mornings people get the tram from Fieldway to New Addington, then sit on the tram to go back the other way to guarantee a seat on the tram in the morning. A new route on the estate We could do with another route to from New Addington via Salt Box Hill, Leaves Green and Keston to West Wickham rail station. Or better still Bromley South, via West Wickham. This will give the residents of New Addington more options to travel to and from London opening up more job opportunities. I have attached a 2 page PDF with possible options. Routes 464 Please increase the frequency of the 464 in the evenings to two buses an hour. Also like the other routes, this bus is also a feeder bus for the trams, though you currently have to pay an additional fare when getting on this service. This needs to be brought into line with the other routes. 314 This bus could be extended run a bit further on around the estate, to terminate at Milne Park. Maybe turning left at Goldcrest Way onto King Henry's Drive, then back through Arnhem Drive to New Addington, Gascoigne Road, Left onto King Henry's Drive and Terminate at Fieldway. Other needs Can you look at putting bus Countdown screens at the stops in New Addington? You never know how long you've got to wait; especially in the evenings. A large train/airport style display, showing bus and tram departure times for all the local stops at the tram terminus, maybe situated on the New Addington Pathfinders building would be excellent. On the reverse sides of the tram time displays please show the next departing tram time - so you can see how long you have to get across the road from the bus stop. Everybody dangerously runs across these roads; because they can't tell when the tram will leave. They all see it sitting there and rush to get on it before it leaves. There is a joke around these parts that the bus pulls in and the tram drives off. Cars fly round those bends in the road; I've seen a lot of near misses there. Especially with kids. The new barriers make it worse, as it means people have to work around these and rush even more! Also you need to time the bus and trams link times to New Addington stop, not Addington Village. People get on and off at New Addington, the last stop, then continue their journey to the specific part of the estate. Not Addington Village where the bus first has to go around the houses. This is especially an issue in the evening when people are returning from work or an evening out. You could look at adding an extra 664 school bus in the morning. Also please give all the bus stops letters and unique names. Having a northbound and southbound stops with the same names is a nightmare for online systems. Cally Down Crescent is a great example of this. Some online apps do not show the direction of the route so you cannot tell which is which. ESSAY OVER b. Interesting, just to pick up on a few points. Why are Sundays a write off? I don't see what you mean by that but maybe I'm missing something? I take your point about accidents blocking Lodge Lane but at least there is Tramlink now. I totally agree about the direct link between Goldcrest and Vulcan Way, how on earth TfL thought removing that was acceptable I don't know. I certainly see your point about the problems with the Vulcan Way stand and ridiculously the nearby Homestead Way stand is now unused. I totally agree about extending the 466 up to New Addington but TfL seem obsessed about not letting anything compete with Tramlink on journey times. I can see your point about keeping a local service within the estate but TfL will point to the Tramlink feeder routes being poorly used. I agree a link to West Wickham is needed although would many people use it to get the train to London? The 314 isn't very well used. I'm not at all suprised about people getting on the tram at Fieldway (and shouldn't that stop be renamed?) to the terminus and staying on back to Croydon. The same thing happened when I was on the C routes as buses were often full by the time it reaches the bottom of the estate. The 464 being only hourly in the evening is just ridiculous. Whilst Tramlink is great it only serves part of the estate and I think that the rest of the estate has had a worse service since its inception. I would think its fair to say New Addington must be some of the best bus operating territory in the London area, such a shame that TfL still can't get it right! Sunday's being a write off; well the buses are quite infrequent. My usual Sunday journey to London has increased by 15-20mins. We're three months into this change; Benefits It is nice that the 64 does now come to the top end of the estate. So you can travel to Croydon on the bus without having to change. This is a real good thing. Downsides are Overall journey times are much longer. Especially if you live at the top end of New Addington. The countdown system/online bus times for the 64 and 130 still do not correlate to bus arrival times, strangely 464 is ok. Buses still annoyingly frequently pull into New Addington tram stop as the tram pulls out, so another 8 mins wait at least, adding to Journey times. Evenings and weekends; the buses all arrive at the same time, then big gaps between the next buses, then they arrive together! Before the change it was far from perfect. Overall is worse now though IMO. |
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Post by Paul on Dec 27, 2015 11:57:20 GMT
Genuinely curious, as a 664 driver, why you think an extra bus in the morning is needed? Just going by what the local kids say. They haven't mentioned it to us |
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Post by londonbusboy on Dec 27, 2015 21:16:20 GMT
The 314 is long enough as it is! and i wouldnt say its an under used route
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Post by sid on Dec 27, 2015 21:19:35 GMT
The 314 is long enough as it is! and i wouldnt say its an under used route From what I've seen the Bromley to Eltham section is a lot busier than the New Addington end. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 27, 2015 21:22:42 GMT
The 314 is long enough as it is! and i wouldnt say its an under used route Indeed, should be left alone as it is. |
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Post by sid on Dec 27, 2015 21:25:40 GMT
Interesting, just to pick up on a few points. Why are Sundays a write off? I don't see what you mean by that but maybe I'm missing something? I take your point about accidents blocking Lodge Lane but at least there is Tramlink now. I totally agree about the direct link between Goldcrest and Vulcan Way, how on earth TfL thought removing that was acceptable I don't know. I certainly see your point about the problems with the Vulcan Way stand and ridiculously the nearby Homestead Way stand is now unused. I totally agree about extending the 466 up to New Addington but TfL seem obsessed about not letting anything compete with Tramlink on journey times. I can see your point about keeping a local service within the estate but TfL will point to the Tramlink feeder routes being poorly used. I agree a link to West Wickham is needed although would many people use it to get the train to London? The 314 isn't very well used. I'm not at all suprised about people getting on the tram at Fieldway (and shouldn't that stop be renamed?) to the terminus and staying on back to Croydon. The same thing happened when I was on the C routes as buses were often full by the time it reaches the bottom of the estate. The 464 being only hourly in the evening is just ridiculous. Whilst Tramlink is great it only serves part of the estate and I think that the rest of the estate has had a worse service since its inception. I would think its fair to say New Addington must be some of the best bus operating territory in the London area, such a shame that TfL still can't get it right! Sunday's being a write off; well the buses are quite infrequent. My usual Sunday journey to London has increased by 15-20mins. We're three months into this change; Benefits It is nice that the 64 does now come to the top end of the estate. So you can travel to Croydon on the bus without having to change. This is a real good thing. Downsides are Overall journey times are much longer. Especially if you live at the top end of New Addington. The countdown system/online bus times for the 64 and 130 still do not correlate to bus arrival times, strangely 464 is ok. Buses still annoyingly frequently pull into New Addington tram stop as the tram pulls out, so another 8 mins wait at least, adding to Journey times. Evenings and weekends; the buses all arrive at the same time, then big gaps between the next buses, then they arrive together! Before the change it was far from perfect. Overall is worse now though IMO. From the top end of the estate I would change to the tram at Parkway, even if you just miss one the 8 minute wait has to be better than the long winded 64 route? I think that is one reason why the feeder routes didn't work, a tram driver can't be expected to wait whilst people saunter across. I think the Fieldway area in particular is getting a raw deal. |
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