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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 13, 2024 22:01:28 GMT
I was coming home from holiday from Luton airport on the 10th, when the next train was cut short to Blackfriars, so that meant I had to wait 18 mins to go one stop further to London Bridge! could you have taken that train to Farringdon and changed there for another Thameslink to London Bridge?
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 13, 2024 22:57:48 GMT
I was coming home from holiday from Luton airport on the 10th, when the next train was cut short to Blackfriars, so that meant I had to wait 18 mins to go one stop further to London Bridge! could you have taken that train to Farringdon and changed there for another Thameslink to London Bridge? Or you could walk it in less time.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 14, 2024 11:33:56 GMT
could you have taken that train to Farringdon and changed there for another Thameslink to London Bridge? Or you could walk it in less time. If he’s coming from (presumably) Luton airport, it is likely he’ll have luggage. Had I been in the same position, Blackfriars to London Bridge may as well be Blackfriars to the moon, I am not lugging a load of suitcases and/or bags all that way.
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Post by someone on Aug 14, 2024 15:29:51 GMT
I was coming home from holiday from Luton airport on the 10th, when the next train was cut short to Blackfriars, so that meant I had to wait 18 mins to go one stop further to London Bridge! could you have taken that train to Farringdon and changed there for another Thameslink to London Bridge? Would have resulted in the same situation, but somewhere else.
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Post by someone on Aug 14, 2024 15:30:49 GMT
Or you could walk it in less time. If he’s coming from (presumably) Luton airport, it is likely he’ll have luggage. Had I been in the same position, Blackfriars to London Bridge may as well be Blackfriars to the moon, I am not lugging a load of suitcases and/or bags all that way. Also I had a ticket Luton Airport -> SE London (not going to say where) so I couldn't leave a station and then reuse my ticket.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 14, 2024 16:36:48 GMT
If he’s coming from (presumably) Luton airport, it is likely he’ll have luggage. Had I been in the same position, Blackfriars to London Bridge may as well be Blackfriars to the moon, I am not lugging a load of suitcases and/or bags all that way. Also I had a ticket Luton Airport -> SE London (not going to say where) so I couldn't leave a station and then reuse my ticket. I'm sure staff at London Bridge would have let you through the barriers (they might well have been left open anyway) if you told them what had happened. I've been on Brighton trains that have had to be rerouted via Herne Hill and Tulse Hill on arrival at Blackfriars and so the London Bridge stop was cancelled.
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Post by 700101 on Aug 14, 2024 22:11:00 GMT
I was coming home from holiday from Luton airport on the 10th, when the next train was cut short to Blackfriars, so that meant I had to wait 18 mins to go one stop further to London Bridge! On the 10th there was engineering works on the New Cross Gate route so all Horsham/Brighton services ran non-stop to East Croydon via Elephant & Selhurst with the 9R service group recoded as 9M’s running to Blackfriars (then emptied back to Blackfriars via Herne Hill Turnback) and Only Luton-Rainham services running via London Bridge I got caught out in this myself while travelling back from Heathrow via Farringdon During First Capital Connect days any services which where diverted via Elephant would make an additional call for interchange with Northern Line to London Bridge but since the Rainham services where introduced they’ve stopped this plus Elephant is not step free (will be soon as plans are in place for the station to be redeveloped with Lifts and Barriers which will catch a lot of people out and this station is one of the major hotspots on the GTR network for fare evasion)
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Post by PGAT on Aug 20, 2024 20:48:14 GMT
December 2024 timetable has been revealed to us on RealTimeTrains.
For Southern: - Additional trains from Norwood Junction to London Bridge via Anerley and Penge West, 3 in the morning peaks, and 2 return journeys which run fast to Sutton from West Croydon - One return journey from Sutton to London Bridge via Hackbridge - 0720 from East Croydon to London Bridge via Norbury now starts at Sutton at 0700 (semi-fast calling at Wallington and West Croydon) - 0631, 0701 and 0731 from London Bridge to East Croydon are cut back to Selhurst - A new Victoria to East Croydon stopper departing at 0657 is introduced, as well as 0741 from East Croydon to Victoria - Additional trains on the Oxted line: 2020 VIC-EGR, 2120 VIC-EGR, 2136 EGR-VIC, 2236 EGR-VIC, 2207 LBG-UCK - New return journey from Bognor Regis to London Bridge (it reverses at Littlehampton asw)
For Great Northern: - Additional 0717, 0745, 0817 from Letchworth to King's Cross service added, only calling at Hitchin, Knebworth and Welwyn North (1724, 1754 and 1824 from King's Cross)
For Thameslink: - Nothing as far as I can tell
let me know if I've missed anything
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 21, 2024 20:25:28 GMT
Still no link between Littlehampton and Arundel or Horsham which has been pressed for since it was withdrawn many years ago. Southern's attitude seems to remain "Change at Ford" which is quite simply not good enough. Ford is not step-free and those changes require negotiation of narrow subway steps and a change of platforms. Very few if any passengers will travel between Arundel and Littlehampton by train if it requires a change and a wait at Ford. Those in Littlehampton who might be seekingh better employment opportunities in Horsham or Crawley have no direct rail service, no decent road link and no bus options at all.
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Post by PGAT on Aug 21, 2024 21:03:04 GMT
Still no link between Littlehampton and Arundel or Horsham which has been pressed for since it was withdrawn many years ago. Southern's attitude seems to remain "Change at Ford" which is quite simply not good enough. Ford is not step-free and those changes require negotiation of narrow subway steps and a change of platforms. Very few if any passengers will travel between Arundel and Littlehampton by train if it requires a change and a wait at Ford. Those in Littlehampton who might be seekingh better employment opportunities in Horsham or Crawley have no direct rail service, no decent road link and no bus options at all. The one train a day between Bognor and London Bridge does provide a direct link to Arundel, Horsham and Crawley from Littlehampton. I dont think there would be enough capacity around the bottlenecked Arundel Junction for a regular all-day service
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 21, 2024 21:17:24 GMT
Still no link between Littlehampton and Arundel or Horsham which has been pressed for since it was withdrawn many years ago. Southern's attitude seems to remain "Change at Ford" which is quite simply not good enough. Ford is not step-free and those changes require negotiation of narrow subway steps and a change of platforms. Very few if any passengers will travel between Arundel and Littlehampton by train if it requires a change and a wait at Ford. Those in Littlehampton who might be seeking better employment opportunities in Horsham or Crawley have no direct rail service, no decent road link and no bus options at all. The one train a day between Bognor and London Bridge does provide a direct link to Arundel, Horsham and Crawley from Littlehampton. I dont think there would be enough capacity around the bottlenecked Arundel Junction for a regular all-day service There always was an all-day service. Arundel Junction has always been a bottleneck but has a few more trains per hour now than it did when the former Bognor Regis - Littlehampton - Horsham - Redhill - Victoria "stopper" offered an hourly service. My suggestion, put in writing more than once to Southern management and copied to local MPs, has been to redirect one of the stopping portions which now split / attach at Horsham so that it serves Littlehampton instead of Bognor Regis. So not an extra service above what operates now. On the Down there is no conflict across junctions which does not already exist; on the Up there is one new conflict across Littlehamptpn and Arundel Junctions per hour but it then takes the path of an existing train. Unless that happens to be timetabled currently to cross another within the junction area there is no problem. Signalling already allows for quite close headways so any clash of timings can be resolved with a tweak of a couple of minutes; waiting time at Arundel if needs be. Too many trains arrive empty at Bognor. There is surely enough capacity at Littlehampton and latent passenger demand for one of those to be redirected. Crewing should not be an issue either since both Littlehampton and Bognor crews sign the same routes and work could be exchanged between depots if required.
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Post by PGAT on Aug 21, 2024 22:06:51 GMT
My issue with that is it severs links to the west by no longer serving Ford and Barnham, and the change at Littlehampton is far from ideal as it is poorly served by the west as well, only 1tph only going as far as Chichester.
Also your point about Bognor being too empty doesn’t sit with me. Of course it’s empty, it’s at the end of a branch line and sometimes the recipient of 8 car trains which aren’t needed out that far. That would apply to Littlehampton as well, although Littlehampton sees about 20% fewer passengers
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Post by ibus246 on Aug 22, 2024 3:52:40 GMT
So effectively they’re just putting back those trains on the Oxted line which were cut a couple of years ago to the current hourly evening service.
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 22, 2024 20:57:25 GMT
Yes it does. But only once an hour. Those links would be retained once an hour by the other Arun Valley stopping portion. So in effect it is a win-win situation with the added bonus of offering a direct service between two adjacent towns which have a road-traffic problem of sometimes significant proportions (in part because of the A27 Arundel by-pass fiasco) and poor bus links.
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