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Post by VMH2537 on Dec 15, 2021 18:43:30 GMT
Hopefully this means we can see a Hampstead to Muswell Hill/Highgate Vill/Kenwood House/E Finch link finally come to fruition.
Not too sure what the 24 will do, perhaps replace the 268 to Golders Green and the 268 diverted to Muswell Hill? Must say for a route that hardly moves that'll certainly hamper the 24, especially with Hampstead traffic if that's what the plan is.
That will justify something extreme like cutting the 24 back to Warren Street or something. They'll put a route like the 16 to Pimlico and tell everyone else to use the hopper fare. That's another route gone from Central London. Something I am predicting that will happen to the 24. Route 134 could aswell extend to Trafalgar Square in compensation whilst the 24 goes over the 603. It's possible it may extend all the way to Wood Green/Turnpike Lane knowing there's been long campaigns and lobbying for direct Wood Green/Muswell Hill services from the Highgate and Hampstead areas |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 15, 2021 18:45:42 GMT
Latest I hear the Meridian Water bus review has been postponed, was initially meant to be conducted in Autumn. Works are being put on hold due to prioritisation of works on the Inner and Central London bus network. Other works were conducted on Routes 24 and 603 as part of the recent Highgate review, but works on that has also been suspended from Inner and Central London works. Hopefully this means we can see a Hampstead to Muswell Hill/Highgate Vill/Kenwood House/E Finch link finally come to fruition.
Not too sure what the 24 will do, perhaps replace the 268 to Golders Green and the 268 diverted to Muswell Hill? Must say for a route that hardly moves that'll certainly hamper the 24, especially with Hampstead traffic if that's what the plan is.
Caveat : not a local. 24 extended to Golders Green but no other change. 268 withdrawn Hampstead to Golders Green, instead sent to Archway via C11. C11 withdrawn Hampstead to Archway and to use the current 24 stand. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 15, 2021 19:52:59 GMT
That will justify something extreme like cutting the 24 back to Warren Street or something. They'll put a route like the 16 to Pimlico and tell everyone else to use the hopper fare. That's another route gone from Central London. Something I am predicting that will happen to the 24. Route 134 could aswell extend to Trafalgar Square in compensation whilst the 24 goes over the 603. It's possible it may extend all the way to Wood Green/Turnpike Lane knowing there's been long campaigns and lobbying for direct Wood Green/Muswell Hill services from the Highgate and Hampstead areas That would be extremely overkill sending the 24 to Wood Green/Turnpike Lane. That is an awful use of resources. That section would at most require a 15/20 minute SD service, not an every 8 minute DD at some point during the day. I would also worry about reliability on the 134 but having said that it does reintroduce the TCR link which the route has been missing for a while.
I imagine the 24 will be sent to Golders Green & the 268 extended to Muswell Hill.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 15, 2021 19:53:47 GMT
Hopefully this means we can see a Hampstead to Muswell Hill/Highgate Vill/Kenwood House/E Finch link finally come to fruition.
Not too sure what the 24 will do, perhaps replace the 268 to Golders Green and the 268 diverted to Muswell Hill? Must say for a route that hardly moves that'll certainly hamper the 24, especially with Hampstead traffic if that's what the plan is.
Caveat : not a local. 24 extended to Golders Green but no other change. 268 withdrawn Hampstead to Golders Green, instead sent to Archway via C11. C11 withdrawn Hampstead to Archway and to use the current 24 stand. The C11 doesn't need to be involved in this because it is not a long bus route & as has been mentioned there have been a few proposals over the years to send the 268 up to Muswell Hill.
I'd also worry about the C11 being withdrawn between Hampstead Heath and Archway because Highgate Village Schools now lose their links beyond Hampstead Heath, which is unbelievably popular even with commuters. I know speculation does like to be stirred up every now and again but seriously, with the diversion of the 143 we don't need to lose the C11 now. Not to mention the serious overcrowding issues that will be faced on the 268 because of a drop from every 8 minutes to every 15.
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 15, 2021 19:59:53 GMT
Something I am predicting that will happen to the 24. Route 134 could aswell extend to Trafalgar Square in compensation whilst the 24 goes over the 603. It's possible it may extend all the way to Wood Green/Turnpike Lane knowing there's been long campaigns and lobbying for direct Wood Green/Muswell Hill services from the Highgate and Hampstead areas That would be extremely overkill sending the 24 to Wood Green/Turnpike Lane. That is an awful use of resources. That section would at most require a 15/20 minute SD service, not an every 8 minute DD at some point during the day. I would also worry about reliability on the 134 but having said that it does reintroduce the TCR link which the route has been missing for a while.
I imagine the 24 will be sent to Golders Green & the 268 extended to Muswell Hill.
I'm not sure if this is an obvious component in the scheme but does this threaten the 603? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 15, 2021 20:02:44 GMT
That would be extremely overkill sending the 24 to Wood Green/Turnpike Lane. That is an awful use of resources. That section would at most require a 15/20 minute SD service, not an every 8 minute DD at some point during the day. I would also worry about reliability on the 134 but having said that it does reintroduce the TCR link which the route has been missing for a while.
I imagine the 24 will be sent to Golders Green & the 268 extended to Muswell Hill.
I'm not sure if this is an obvious component in the scheme but does this threaten the 603? Yes it does which is not all a bad thing.
If it is the 268 does get extended to Muswell Hill, I'd like the option to be explored of either that or the 234 diverted between Highgate Wood & East Finchley via Aylmer Road & The Bishops Avenue, that area seems remote from the current bus network especially the bottom of The Bishops Avenue. I do think the Highgate Wood to East Finchley section would be able to adequately cope with a reduction.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 15, 2021 20:15:16 GMT
Likely only a similar length to 1/168 - not saying I agree with it but it is going to be an unfortunate reality of the medium term future. It regularly takes just under a hour just to do the current 3, I’d be very surprised if the 24 from Trafalgar Square to Hampstead Heath is just 30 minutes. Similar length or not, we aren’t going to attract people to the network by bodging two routes together and forcing people to make changes they didn’t have to beforehand. It doesn’t have to be an unfortunate reality unless we choose it to be Not to mention little would be save my merging the 3 and 24 and they overlap for only 3 mins between Westminster and Whitehall. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 15, 2021 20:16:30 GMT
Hopefully this means we can see a Hampstead to Muswell Hill/Highgate Vill/Kenwood House/E Finch link finally come to fruition.
Not too sure what the 24 will do, perhaps replace the 268 to Golders Green and the 268 diverted to Muswell Hill? Must say for a route that hardly moves that'll certainly hamper the 24, especially with Hampstead traffic if that's what the plan is.
Caveat : not a local. 24 extended to Golders Green but no other change. 268 withdrawn Hampstead to Golders Green, instead sent to Archway via C11. C11 withdrawn Hampstead to Archway and to use the current 24 stand. I think the 24 plan seemed to hinge on improving services to the Royal Free so an extension somewhere made sense. Does anyone know what was actually proposed for it? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 15, 2021 20:21:24 GMT
Caveat : not a local. 24 extended to Golders Green but no other change. 268 withdrawn Hampstead to Golders Green, instead sent to Archway via C11. C11 withdrawn Hampstead to Archway and to use the current 24 stand. I think the 24 plan seemed to hinge on improving services to the Royal Free so an extension somewhere made sense. Does anyone know what was actually proposed for it? I don't know but again I do think wherever it does get extended it'll likely overbus because of it's frequency. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Dec 15, 2021 20:32:26 GMT
I think the 24 plan seemed to hinge on improving services to the Royal Free so an extension somewhere made sense. Does anyone know what was actually proposed for it? I don't know but again I do think wherever it does get extended it'll likely overbus because of it's frequency. You are certainly right a 8 min frequency will overbus the corridor. That's why I think once the 24s southern section is axed and extended over the 603, a reduction in its frequency to 5bph could happen |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 15, 2021 20:39:48 GMT
I don't know but again I do think wherever it does get extended it'll likely overbus because of it's frequency. You are certainly right a 8 min frequency will overbus the corridor. That's why I think once the 24s southern section is axed and extended over the 603, a reduction in its frequency to 5bph could happen That's still really high frequency though. Maybe a 12 minute SD frequency would suffice but not a 12 minute DD.
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Post by aaron1 on Dec 15, 2021 21:26:45 GMT
Hopefully this means we can see a Hampstead to Muswell Hill/Highgate Vill/Kenwood House/E Finch link finally come to fruition.
Not too sure what the 24 will do, perhaps replace the 268 to Golders Green and the 268 diverted to Muswell Hill? Must say for a route that hardly moves that'll certainly hamper the 24, especially with Hampstead traffic if that's what the plan is.
Caveat : not a local. 24 extended to Golders Green but no other change. 268 withdrawn Hampstead to Golders Green, instead sent to Archway via C11. C11 withdrawn Hampstead to Archway and to use the current 24 stand. For C11 I like it to return to King's Cross like it use to do that would make a great for a lot that you don't have to use Thameslink from Cricklewood and West Hampstead |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 21:34:47 GMT
Caveat : not a local. 24 extended to Golders Green but no other change. 268 withdrawn Hampstead to Golders Green, instead sent to Archway via C11. C11 withdrawn Hampstead to Archway and to use the current 24 stand. For C11 I like it to return to King's Cross like it use to do that would make a great for a lot that you don't have to use Thameslink from Cricklewood and West Hampstead Yes but the train is faster |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 15, 2021 21:50:20 GMT
For C11 I like it to return to King's Cross like it use to do that would make a great for a lot that you don't have to use Thameslink from Cricklewood and West Hampstead Yes but the train is faster Agreed and the number of journeys from West Hampstead/Swiss Cottage/Abbey Road to Archway/Gospel Oak/Whittington Hospital prove it probably shouldn't be messed around with. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 15, 2021 22:26:23 GMT
Caveat : not a local. 24 extended to Golders Green but no other change. 268 withdrawn Hampstead to Golders Green, instead sent to Archway via C11. C11 withdrawn Hampstead to Archway and to use the current 24 stand. For C11 I like it to return to King's Cross like it use to do that would make a great for a lot that you don't have to use Thameslink from Cricklewood and West Hampstead Have you actually rode the C11 at all? |
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