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Post by greg on Jul 30, 2024 13:58:33 GMT
I think a 205 from Paddington to Whitechapel should be suitable. As for the eastern end, is there scope in extending a route? It’s not my neck of woods but if you were to extend the 241 to Shoreditch per say? Extended from Stratford City Bus Station via the N205? Another one I can think of for the 241 is extending it to Old Street Station instead of Shoreditch but running via London Wall, Eldon Street and Moorgate Agreed Paddington to Whitechapel. Having been a regular traveller on the 205 I think it is often forgotten how many long distance passengers the route takes, much more so than most other routes. To make the route useful the long distance links must be maintained. Exactly so. I am one myself haha - Great Portland Street to Whitechapel. Just like the 8 and 94 do, when the Underground lines are out, people run for a convenient bus - which is what the 205 is. Also important to point out it parallels 3 major tube lines for miles and 2 other tube lines for a considerable distance too. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 30, 2024 18:11:25 GMT
Agreed Paddington to Whitechapel. Having been a regular traveller on the 205 I think it is often forgotten how many long distance passengers the route takes, much more so than most other routes. To make the route useful the long distance links must be maintained. Exactly so. I am one myself haha - Great Portland Street to Whitechapel. Just like the 8 and 94 do, when the Underground lines are out, people run for a convenient bus - which is what the 205 is. Also important to point out it parallels 3 major tube lines for miles and 2 other tube lines for a considerable distance too. I second/third this.
It fits with the usage I see and conveniently provides the needed resilience when the tube goes down. The overlapping eastern route could perhaps start from Liverpool Street as a result? Perhaps Shoreditch would also be good. Then past Bow Church to what is penciled in these papers now that the route will be more manageable.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 30, 2024 20:02:22 GMT
Exactly so. I am one myself haha - Great Portland Street to Whitechapel. Just like the 8 and 94 do, when the Underground lines are out, people run for a convenient bus - which is what the 205 is. Also important to point out it parallels 3 major tube lines for miles and 2 other tube lines for a considerable distance too. I second/third this.
It fits with the usage I see and conveniently provides the needed resilience when the tube goes down. The overlapping eastern route could perhaps start from Liverpool Street as a result? Perhaps Shoreditch would also be good. Then past Bow Church to what is penciled in these papers now that the route will be more manageable.
How well used is the 135 at the Old Street end? Maybe a new route could run fron Old Street to Bow via the 205, continuing further east somewhere? Then the 135 could either merge with the 15 to Trafalgar Square, or maybe restore the 40's former link from Aldgate to London Bridge via Fenchurch Street? |
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Post by greg on Jul 30, 2024 21:05:02 GMT
Exactly so. I am one myself haha - Great Portland Street to Whitechapel. Just like the 8 and 94 do, when the Underground lines are out, people run for a convenient bus - which is what the 205 is. Also important to point out it parallels 3 major tube lines for miles and 2 other tube lines for a considerable distance too. I second/third this.
It fits with the usage I see and conveniently provides the needed resilience when the tube goes down. The overlapping eastern route could perhaps start from Liverpool Street as a result? Perhaps Shoreditch would also be good. Then past Bow Church to what is penciled in these papers now that the route will be more manageable.
It’s been announced actually that Boxpark Shoreditch is closing which will kill a lot of the commuters in the area and these all seem to populate the 55/149/205 mostly in the area, so I think Liverpool Street is the best. Theres free stand space in Appold Street with the 42 now the 11 has vacated and its a 3 minute walk to Shoreditch High Street and Curtain Road. |
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Post by greg on Jul 30, 2024 21:10:36 GMT
I second/third this.
It fits with the usage I see and conveniently provides the needed resilience when the tube goes down. The overlapping eastern route could perhaps start from Liverpool Street as a result? Perhaps Shoreditch would also be good. Then past Bow Church to what is penciled in these papers now that the route will be more manageable.
How well used is the 135 at the Old Street end? Maybe a new route could run fron Old Street to Bow via the 205, continuing further east somewhere? Then the 135 could either merge with the 15 to Trafalgar Square, or maybe restore the 40's former link from Aldgate to London Bridge via Fenchurch Street? The 135 is extremely busy in the Old Street end and one reason the 205 was rerouted via Shoreditch instead of Moorgate, I believe, as well as tje obvious roadworks and the 214 parallel so I would 1000% keep the 135 at Old Street. It connects workers to Canary Wharf from Old Street and Sycamore Roundabout if thats what it was called. I think my best options would be either: 241 extended to Liverpool Street via the N205 connecting links towards the Docklands from Stratford D7 extended to Liverpool Street via the 205 connecting also Docklands to the City (could be renumbered 305) |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 30, 2024 21:28:29 GMT
How well used is the 135 at the Old Street end? Maybe a new route could run fron Old Street to Bow via the 205, continuing further east somewhere? Then the 135 could either merge with the 15 to Trafalgar Square, or maybe restore the 40's former link from Aldgate to London Bridge via Fenchurch Street? The 135 is extremely busy in the Old Street end and one reason the 205 was rerouted via Shoreditch instead of Moorgate, I believe, as well as tje obvious roadworks and the 214 parallel so I would 1000% keep the 135 at Old Street. It connects workers to Canary Wharf from Old Street and Sycamore Roundabout if thats what it was called. I think my best options would be either: 241 extended to Liverpool Street via the N205 connecting links towards the Docklands from Stratford D7 extended to Liverpool Street via the 205 connecting also Docklands to the City (could be renumbered 305) I think extending the 241 could be too long and unreliable. But if you're looking to extend something from Stratford City, maybe the 308 could be restructured to operate from Wanstead to Stratford City as present, then via the N205 to Liverpool Street? The rest of the 308 could be replaced by extending something like the 104 or 241 from Stratford to Clapton. |
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Post by greg on Jul 30, 2024 21:35:10 GMT
The 135 is extremely busy in the Old Street end and one reason the 205 was rerouted via Shoreditch instead of Moorgate, I believe, as well as tje obvious roadworks and the 214 parallel so I would 1000% keep the 135 at Old Street. It connects workers to Canary Wharf from Old Street and Sycamore Roundabout if thats what it was called. I think my best options would be either: 241 extended to Liverpool Street via the N205 connecting links towards the Docklands from Stratford D7 extended to Liverpool Street via the 205 connecting also Docklands to the City (could be renumbered 305) I think extending the 241 could be too long and unreliable. But if you're looking to extend something from Stratford City, maybe the 308 could be restructured to operate from Wanstead to Stratford City as present, then via the N205 to Liverpool Street? The rest of the 308 could be replaced by extending something like the 104 or 241 from Stratford to Clapton. Worth a shout! I don’t actually know what the 241 is like other than its short and most people say it carries air but that’s also the 308. Carries very little between Clapton and Stratford, so maybe the 241 could carry two sections of air into one route lol |
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Post by WH241 on Jul 30, 2024 21:59:00 GMT
I think extending the 241 could be too long and unreliable. But if you're looking to extend something from Stratford City, maybe the 308 could be restructured to operate from Wanstead to Stratford City as present, then via the N205 to Liverpool Street? The rest of the 308 could be replaced by extending something like the 104 or 241 from Stratford to Clapton. Worth a shout! I don’t actually know what the 241 is like other than its short and most people say it carries air but that’s also the 308. Carries very little between Clapton and Stratford, so maybe the 241 could carry two sections of air into one route lol The 241 carries air from Custom House to Royal Wharf but is a very busy route to and from Stratford! |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 31, 2024 15:37:41 GMT
I second/third this.
It fits with the usage I see and conveniently provides the needed resilience when the tube goes down. The overlapping eastern route could perhaps start from Liverpool Street as a result? Perhaps Shoreditch would also be good. Then past Bow Church to what is penciled in these papers now that the route will be more manageable.
It’s been announced actually that Boxpark Shoreditch is closing which will kill a lot of the commuters in the area and these all seem to populate the 55/149/205 mostly in the area, so I think Liverpool Street is the best. Theres free stand space in Appold Street with the 42 now the 11 has vacated and its a 3 minute walk to Shoreditch High Street and Curtain Road. Isn't Shoreditch a bit more than just Boxpark though? Though, if you are right, perhaps something for in a few years as construction will finally be starting on the Boxpark/station concrete box/ex-goodsyard site soon... (it's only been 10+ years!) which might drive up demand. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 31, 2024 17:09:23 GMT
It’s been announced actually that Boxpark Shoreditch is closing which will kill a lot of the commuters in the area and these all seem to populate the 55/149/205 mostly in the area, so I think Liverpool Street is the best. Theres free stand space in Appold Street with the 42 now the 11 has vacated and its a 3 minute walk to Shoreditch High Street and Curtain Road. Isn't Shoreditch a bit more than just Boxpark though? Though, if you are right, perhaps something for in a few years as construction will finally be starting on the Boxpark/station concrete box/ex-goodsyard site soon... (it's only been 10+ years!) which might drive up demand. Here is the link to the details. Seems like it is just moving down the road and development at the Goodyards site will start soon. Shoreditch is close to Brick Lane which is popular too. |
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Post by greg on Jul 31, 2024 20:37:23 GMT
It’s been announced actually that Boxpark Shoreditch is closing which will kill a lot of the commuters in the area and these all seem to populate the 55/149/205 mostly in the area, so I think Liverpool Street is the best. Theres free stand space in Appold Street with the 42 now the 11 has vacated and its a 3 minute walk to Shoreditch High Street and Curtain Road. Isn't Shoreditch a bit more than just Boxpark though? Though, if you are right, perhaps something for in a few years as construction will finally be starting on the Boxpark/station concrete box/ex-goodsyard site soon... (it's only been 10+ years!) which might drive up demand. It is, but I mean demand will stop decrease a good bit. The only other thing left nearby is Brick Lane and that is walkable from Aldgate and Liverpool Street stations. The 8 and 388 are the only real routes that serve the Shoreditch end of Brick Lane anyway |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 1, 2024 8:19:54 GMT
I second/third this.
It fits with the usage I see and conveniently provides the needed resilience when the tube goes down. The overlapping eastern route could perhaps start from Liverpool Street as a result? Perhaps Shoreditch would also be good. Then past Bow Church to what is penciled in these papers now that the route will be more manageable.
It’s been announced actually that Boxpark Shoreditch is closing which will kill a lot of the commuters in the area and these all seem to populate the 55/149/205 mostly in the area, so I think Liverpool Street is the best. Theres free stand space in Appold Street with the 42 now the 11 has vacated and its a 3 minute walk to Shoreditch High Street and Curtain Road. Boxpark was only ever intended to be temporary - it originally had a planned five-year lifespan. As others have said, there is a LOT more to Shoreditch than just Boxpark. The area is very busy at night and on weekends. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 1, 2024 9:59:41 GMT
I second/third this.
It fits with the usage I see and conveniently provides the needed resilience when the tube goes down. The overlapping eastern route could perhaps start from Liverpool Street as a result? Perhaps Shoreditch would also be good. Then past Bow Church to what is penciled in these papers now that the route will be more manageable.
How well used is the 135 at the Old Street end? Maybe a new route could run fron Old Street to Bow via the 205, continuing further east somewhere? Then the 135 could either merge with the 15 to Trafalgar Square, or maybe restore the 40's former link from Aldgate to London Bridge via Fenchurch Street? Why would you merge the 135 with either the 15? The 135 provides links from the Isle of Dogs and Canary Wharf to Central London and is well used along the length of the route, particularly in the City and around the Isle of Dogs. |
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Post by redbus on Aug 1, 2024 10:53:32 GMT
It’s been announced actually that Boxpark Shoreditch is closing which will kill a lot of the commuters in the area and these all seem to populate the 55/149/205 mostly in the area, so I think Liverpool Street is the best. Theres free stand space in Appold Street with the 42 now the 11 has vacated and its a 3 minute walk to Shoreditch High Street and Curtain Road. Boxpark was only ever intended to be temporary - it originally had a planned five-year lifespan. As others have said, there is a LOT more to Shoreditch than just Boxpark. The area is very busy at night and on weekends. The Boxpark site will be re-developed to provide a permanent site for homes, shops etc. This re-development once complete will help provide demand for local buses and others say, Shoreditch is more than Boxpark. The 205 should therefore remain serving Shoreditch. Remember from Paddington it reaches Shoreditch before Liverpool Street, so even if you terminated it at Liverpool Street it would still serve Shoreditch on its existing routing. The stand at Appold Street is unsuitable as it would mean that the 205 would not stop outside Liverpool Street Station, and that is important given how many board / alight with bags at Liverpool Street. It could terminate in Liverpool Street bus station itself, but would encounter a lot of traffic so doing. Given its usage east of Liverpool Street there's a very compelling argument that it should at a minimum go to Whitechapel. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 1, 2024 10:56:52 GMT
Boxpark was only ever intended to be temporary - it originally had a planned five-year lifespan. As others have said, there is a LOT more to Shoreditch than just Boxpark. The area is very busy at night and on weekends. The Boxpark site will be re-developed to provide a permanent site for homes, shops etc. This re-development once complete will help provide demand for local buses and others say, Shoreditch is more than Boxpark. The 205 should therefore remain serving Shoreditch. Remember from Paddington it reaches Shoreditch before Liverpool Street, so even if you terminated it at Liverpool Street it would still serve Shoreditch on its existing routing. The stand at Appold Street is unsuitable as it would mean that the 205 would not stop outside Liverpool Street Station, and that is important given how many board / alight with bags at Liverpool Street. It could terminate in Liverpool Street bus station itself, but would encounter a lot of traffic so doing. Given its usage east of Liverpool Street there's a very compelling argument that it should at a minimum go to Whitechapel. It would be interesting to see how the 205s loading varies, I've always thought that it's eastern section since the Bow extension has been the busier part. |
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