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Post by WH241 on Aug 1, 2024 16:41:20 GMT
How well used is the 135 at the Old Street end? Maybe a new route could run fron Old Street to Bow via the 205, continuing further east somewhere? Then the 135 could either merge with the 15 to Trafalgar Square, or maybe restore the 40's former link from Aldgate to London Bridge via Fenchurch Street? Why would you merge the 135 with either the 15? The 135 provides links from the Isle of Dogs and Canary Wharf to Central London and is well used along the length of the route, particularly in the City and around the Isle of Dogs. There seems to be a desire on the forum to send the 15 onto the Isle Of Dogs! it comes up frequently. Don't see the need myself and would prefer the Canning Town station link restored but that's never likely to happen. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 1, 2024 17:09:58 GMT
Why would you merge the 135 with either the 15? The 135 provides links from the Isle of Dogs and Canary Wharf to Central London and is well used along the length of the route, particularly in the City and around the Isle of Dogs. There seems to be a desire on the forum to send the 15 onto the Isle Of Dogs! it comes up frequently. Don't see the need myself and would prefer the Canning Town station link restored but that's never likely to happen. Perhaps TfL could send the 15 to Custom House, as there's definitely not enough buses serving Custom House at the moment 🤣🤣 I agree, however, there's no need to send the 15 round the Isle of Dogs |
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Post by B9TL205 on Aug 1, 2024 17:11:15 GMT
The Boxpark site will be re-developed to provide a permanent site for homes, shops etc. This re-development once complete will help provide demand for local buses and others say, Shoreditch is more than Boxpark. The 205 should therefore remain serving Shoreditch. Remember from Paddington it reaches Shoreditch before Liverpool Street, so even if you terminated it at Liverpool Street it would still serve Shoreditch on its existing routing. The stand at Appold Street is unsuitable as it would mean that the 205 would not stop outside Liverpool Street Station, and that is important given how many board / alight with bags at Liverpool Street. It could terminate in Liverpool Street bus station itself, but would encounter a lot of traffic so doing. Given its usage east of Liverpool Street there's a very compelling argument that it should at a minimum go to Whitechapel. It would be interesting to see how the 205s loading varies, I've always thought that it's eastern section since the Bow extension has been the busier part. Not really, it's definitely busier westbound from Liverpool Street onwards but the Eastern section along the A11 is still well used nonetheless, infact it's pretty busy during the rush hour times |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 1, 2024 17:16:46 GMT
Why would you merge the 135 with either the 15? The 135 provides links from the Isle of Dogs and Canary Wharf to Central London and is well used along the length of the route, particularly in the City and around the Isle of Dogs. There seems to be a desire on the forum to send the 15 onto the Isle Of Dogs! it comes up frequently. Don't see the need myself and would prefer the Canning Town station link restored but that's never likely to happen. Is there anything much around the Blackwall terminus or is it just a convenient place to terminate? I guess terminating short of Canning Town is meant to encourage people to use the tube/DLR and pay higher fares? Or is there a lack of stand space at Canning Town Bus Station? |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 1, 2024 17:25:20 GMT
There seems to be a desire on the forum to send the 15 onto the Isle Of Dogs! it comes up frequently. Don't see the need myself and would prefer the Canning Town station link restored but that's never likely to happen. Is there anything much around the Blackwall terminus or is it just a convenient place to terminate? I guess terminating short of Canning Town is meant to encourage people to use the tube/DLR and pay higher fares? Or is there a lack of stand space at Canning Town Bus Station? The Poplar/Blackwall area is quite densely populated and route 15 also serves Poplar High Street. People in this area would have a considerable walk up to the stops at All Saints Church if the 15 operated to and from Canning Town - and in the opposite direction, would need to cross a very busy road. By contrast, there is not enough traffic potential between Poplar and Canning Town (IMO) to justify having the 15 duplicate the 115 on this section. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 1, 2024 17:28:38 GMT
Is there anything much around the Blackwall terminus or is it just a convenient place to terminate? I guess terminating short of Canning Town is meant to encourage people to use the tube/DLR and pay higher fares? Or is there a lack of stand space at Canning Town Bus Station? The Poplar/Blackwall area is quite densely populated and route 15 also serves Poplar High Street. People in this area would have a considerable walk up to the stops at All Saints Church if the 15 operated to and from Canning Town. By contrast, there is not enough traffic potential between Poplar and Canning Town (IMO) to justify having the 15 duplicate the 115 on this section. However the Poplar high street area has the D6, D7 and D8 all there, and the demand on the 15 won't just be between All Saints and Canning Town but rather between Canning Town and further afield. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 1, 2024 17:32:48 GMT
The Poplar/Blackwall area is quite densely populated and route 15 also serves Poplar High Street. People in this area would have a considerable walk up to the stops at All Saints Church if the 15 operated to and from Canning Town. By contrast, there is not enough traffic potential between Poplar and Canning Town (IMO) to justify having the 15 duplicate the 115 on this section. However the Poplar high street area has the D6, D7 and D8 all there, and the demand on the 15 won't just be between All Saints and Canning Town but rather between Canning Town and further afield. Canning Town as far as Aldgate is already covered by the 115. Blackwell and Poplar High Street may have the D6, D7 and D8 but only the 15 links this area to Commercial Road west of Limehouse. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 1, 2024 17:33:29 GMT
There seems to be a desire on the forum to send the 15 onto the Isle Of Dogs! it comes up frequently. Don't see the need myself and would prefer the Canning Town station link restored but that's never likely to happen. Is there anything much around the Blackwall terminus or is it just a convenient place to terminate? I guess terminating short of Canning Town is meant to encourage people to use the tube/DLR and pay higher fares? Or is there a lack of stand space at Canning Town Bus Station? There are lots of apartments around the bus terminus but not sure how well the bus service is used? I imagine if the 15 ever did move out another route would most likely double run to serve the stop. There is space at Canning Town as nothing replaced the 330 when it was extended to Pontoon Dock, having said that the route suffers a lot since the extension and has frequent curtailments to Cannin Town. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 1, 2024 17:33:43 GMT
However the Poplar high street area has the D6, D7 and D8 all there, and the demand on the 15 won't just be between All Saints and Canning Town but rather between Canning Town and further afield. Canning Town as far as Aldgate is already covered by the 115. Blackwell and Poplar High Street may have the D6, D7 and D8 but only the 15 links this area to Cokmmercial Road west of Limehouse. However the bit beyond Aldgate is not covered, baring in mind Canning Town is a major interchange and traffic objective compared to Blackwall. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 1, 2024 17:35:59 GMT
Is there anything much around the Blackwall terminus or is it just a convenient place to terminate? I guess terminating short of Canning Town is meant to encourage people to use the tube/DLR and pay higher fares? Or is there a lack of stand space at Canning Town Bus Station? The Poplar/Blackwall area is quite densely populated and route 15 also serves Poplar High Street. People in this area would have a considerable walk up to the stops at All Saints Church if the 15 operated to and from Canning Town - and in the opposite direction, would need to cross a very busy road. By contrast, there is not enough traffic potential between Poplar and Canning Town (IMO) to justify having the 15 duplicate the 115 on this section. From local observations of the 15 from All Saints to Blackwall you would be lucky to see more than 5 passengers onboard where as the 115 is ridiculously busy along the Poplar to Canning Town corridor and could do with support. |
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Post by greg on Aug 1, 2024 20:07:20 GMT
Boxpark was only ever intended to be temporary - it originally had a planned five-year lifespan. As others have said, there is a LOT more to Shoreditch than just Boxpark. The area is very busy at night and on weekends. The Boxpark site will be re-developed to provide a permanent site for homes, shops etc. This re-development once complete will help provide demand for local buses and others say, Shoreditch is more than Boxpark. The 205 should therefore remain serving Shoreditch. Remember from Paddington it reaches Shoreditch before Liverpool Street, so even if you terminated it at Liverpool Street it would still serve Shoreditch on its existing routing. The stand at Appold Street is unsuitable as it would mean that the 205 would not stop outside Liverpool Street Station, and that is important given how many board / alight with bags at Liverpool Street. It could terminate in Liverpool Street bus station itself, but would encounter a lot of traffic so doing. Given its usage east of Liverpool Street there's a very compelling argument that it should at a minimum go to Whitechapel. I agree with you, I think the 205 should still serve Liverpool Street and definitely as far as Whitechapel, however I really don’t think it would be the end of the world for the route that replaces the eastern section to go any further than Liverpool Street. Appold Street is near enough for anyone who does the journey. Brick Lane is a quicker walk through Shoreditch and alot of people alight at Aldgate East Station rather than Liverpool Street |
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Post by greg on Aug 1, 2024 20:08:48 GMT
The Boxpark site will be re-developed to provide a permanent site for homes, shops etc. This re-development once complete will help provide demand for local buses and others say, Shoreditch is more than Boxpark. The 205 should therefore remain serving Shoreditch. Remember from Paddington it reaches Shoreditch before Liverpool Street, so even if you terminated it at Liverpool Street it would still serve Shoreditch on its existing routing. The stand at Appold Street is unsuitable as it would mean that the 205 would not stop outside Liverpool Street Station, and that is important given how many board / alight with bags at Liverpool Street. It could terminate in Liverpool Street bus station itself, but would encounter a lot of traffic so doing. Given its usage east of Liverpool Street there's a very compelling argument that it should at a minimum go to Whitechapel. It would be interesting to see how the 205s loading varies, I've always thought that it's eastern section since the Bow extension has been the busier part. Going to have to give a heavy disagree with this one, apologies. 205s loads from Stepney-Bow do not compare in the slightest from Kings Cross-Paddington or Liverpool Street-Euston. Another one is Islington to Aldgate. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 1, 2024 20:14:39 GMT
It would be interesting to see how the 205s loading varies, I've always thought that it's eastern section since the Bow extension has been the busier part. Going to have to give a heavy disagree with this one, apologies. 205s loads from Stepney-Bow do not compare in the slightest from Kings Cross-Paddington or Liverpool Street-Euston. Another one is Islington to Aldgate. I probably use the 205 more on its Central section than it's East section, but whenever I've tried to get on in the East I've often been left behind to wait for another bus while this has never been an issue for me in the Central section unless there's obvious disruption on the railways. |
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Post by greg on Aug 1, 2024 20:16:56 GMT
Going to have to give a heavy disagree with this one, apologies. 205s loads from Stepney-Bow do not compare in the slightest from Kings Cross-Paddington or Liverpool Street-Euston. Another one is Islington to Aldgate. I probably use the 205 more on its Central section than it's East section, but whenever I've tried to get on in the East I've often been left behind to wait for another bus while this has never been an issue for me in the Central section unless there's obvious disruption on the railways. How far East we talking? There have been times for me too, around Whitechapel but they usually run light from Mile End Road-Bow. The 25s take all the people, as most people alight as far as Aldgate. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 1, 2024 20:17:51 GMT
I probably use the 205 more on its Central section than it's East section, but whenever I've tried to get on in the East I've often been left behind to wait for another bus while this has never been an issue for me in the Central section unless there's obvious disruption on the railways. How far East we talking? There have been times for me too, around Whitechapel but they usually run light from Mile End Road-Bow. The 25s take all the people, as most people alight as far as Aldgate. Yeah it's usually at around Whitechapel heading towards Bow this has happened to me, it's not usually crowded Mile End to Bow as that's just the last two stops on the route. |
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