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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 24, 2016 8:22:29 GMT
As you will gather, I am disappointed by the outcome ie the Brexit vote. Leaving aside what I have already said, I have found a way to enable Britain still to feel a European country for me .... I am cutting back on leisure bus & rail travels to places that voted Leave! One pleasure I did glean from my Enfield & Turnpike Lane trip today was that all my local rides were entirely in Europhile areas. I live in Bexley. Won't be seeing you around then... |
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Post by sid on Jul 24, 2016 16:54:30 GMT
As you will gather, I am disappointed by the outcome ie the Brexit vote. Leaving aside what I have already said, I have found a way to enable Britain still to feel a European country for me .... I am cutting back on leisure bus & rail travels to places that voted Leave! One pleasure I did glean from my Enfield & Turnpike Lane trip today was that all my local rides were entirely in Europhile areas. As Mr McEnroe would say..........you cannot be serious man! |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 24, 2016 18:13:38 GMT
I appreciate some of you will think I'm bonkers [1] for saying this but I can completely understand Mr Metroline's comments. I've lost any great desire to go anywhere in England and Wales post referendum. The country feels like a different place to the one I knew. I feel similarly about going abroad - I feel ashamed about the decision we've taken to cut ourselves off from Europe. That's the direct implication of "taking back control" IMO. I accept we've taken the decision we've taken and have to get on with it but I really, really hate where we've got to as a country, where our politics are at and some of the sentiment that has made itself prominent during and after the referendum campaign. Please just accept this statement as how I feel. I don't need a load of abuse and rebuke from people who disagree with my feelings and comments.  [1] yes, yes several of you have thought that for a long time. Quelle surprise.   |
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Post by RT3062 on Jul 24, 2016 18:40:28 GMT
I would say that the leave campaign had certainly missled or lied depending on personal feelings. I voted to remain for various reasons mainly to keep human rights act and the workers rights which in my opinion is the RED TAPE that ukip and boris seem to hate so much. Also the threat of another Scottish referendum worried me.being scottish myself and living in england (very happily too) i didnt want to be needing a passport potentially to visit family and vice versa. On immigration ive meet lots of decent people from all over the world in my work as a bus driver my view is some people are nice some are not where you come from or race or religion or sexual orentiaon make no difference to me. Sorry for long post and any spelling mistakes.
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Post by sid on Jul 24, 2016 20:06:30 GMT
I voted to leave but let's be clear, we are not leaving Europe we are just leaving the EU.
I gather that there are calls for similar referendums in France and Germany and I suspect that this is the beginning of the end for the EU and good riddance as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 24, 2016 20:49:15 GMT
I appreciate some of you will think I'm bonkers [1] for saying this but I can completely understand Mr Metroline's comments. I've lost any great desire to go anywhere in England and Wales post referendum. The country feels like a different place to the one I knew. I feel similarly about going abroad - I feel ashamed about the decision we've taken to cut ourselves off from Europe. That's the direct implication of "taking back control" IMO. I accept we've taken the decision we've taken and have to get on with it but I really, really hate where we've got to as a country, where our politics are at and some of the sentiment that has made itself prominent during and after the referendum campaign. Please just accept this statement as how I feel. I don't need a load of abuse and rebuke from people who disagree with my feelings and comments. [1] yes, yes several of you have thought that for a long time. Quelle surprise. Thank you Snoggle. I can agree to differ socially with people who prefer us to be out of the EU. Leaving aside some of why I preferred us to remain, I found a lot of anti-immigration rhetoric on the Leave side hard to stomach. Most people who migrate here contribute well to the country, and it seems unfair to discriminate against them for growing up elsewhere in the world, which was not even their choice. The consequences of the Brexit vote, leaving aside the devaluation in the £ and fall in investment, include Scotland and even our capital city being dragged out of the EU against people's will. Even worse is Northern Ireland, where all counties neighbouring the border voted to remain but are destined to have border checks installed. I was on holiday in Ireland when the referendum happened (but voted postally to remain) and heard a great deal of dismay locally by the Brexit vote. Refocussing my national travels to prioritise Europhile areas and cut back on Eurosceptic area travels is one way I can renounce the Brexit result. Just a thought. I reckon some people on this forum who oppose my decision to cut back on travels to Eurosceptic areas of Britain never have bus or rail trips outside (Europhile) London anyway. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 24, 2016 21:11:20 GMT
Just a thought. I reckon some people on this forum who oppose my decision to cut back on travels to Eurosceptic areas of Britain never have bus or rail trips outside (Europhile) London anyway. I oppose. Bristol and South Devon so far this year, West Yorkshire, Warwickshire, Manchester to come. Perhaps it's me, but I can't see such a mindset as being anything other than punishing yourself, but you must do what you must do. (....and I'm still not telling the forum how I voted!) |
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Post by sid on Jul 24, 2016 21:35:26 GMT
I appreciate some of you will think I'm bonkers [1] for saying this but I can completely understand Mr Metroline's comments. I've lost any great desire to go anywhere in England and Wales post referendum. The country feels like a different place to the one I knew. I feel similarly about going abroad - I feel ashamed about the decision we've taken to cut ourselves off from Europe. That's the direct implication of "taking back control" IMO. I accept we've taken the decision we've taken and have to get on with it but I really, really hate where we've got to as a country, where our politics are at and some of the sentiment that has made itself prominent during and after the referendum campaign. Please just accept this statement as how I feel. I don't need a load of abuse and rebuke from people who disagree with my feelings and comments. [1] yes, yes several of you have thought that for a long time. Quelle surprise. Thank you Snoggle. I can agree to differ socially with people who prefer us to be out of the EU. Leaving aside some of why I preferred us to remain, I found a lot of anti-immigration rhetoric on the Leave side hard to stomach. Most people who migrate here contribute well to the country, and it seems unfair to discriminate against them for growing up elsewhere in the world, which was not even their choice. The consequences of the Brexit vote, leaving aside the devaluation in the £ and fall in investment, include Scotland and even our capital city being dragged out of the EU against people's will. Even worse is Northern Ireland, where all counties neighbouring the border voted to remain but are destined to have border checks installed. I was on holiday in Ireland when the referendum happened (but voted postally to remain) and heard a great deal of dismay locally by the Brexit vote. Refocussing my national travels to prioritise Europhile areas and cut back on Eurosceptic area travels is one way I can renounce the Brexit result. Just a thought. I reckon some people on this forum who oppose my decision to cut back on travels to Eurosceptic areas of Britain never have bus or rail trips outside (Europhile) London anyway. Nobody has a choice where they were born, I didn't choose to be born in England. If I decide that I want to go and live in Australia I'd have to tick a lot of boxes in order to do so, why shouldn't similar criteria apply to get into the UK? What started out as the common market has grown into a monster that is out of control and it's time it was slain. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 24, 2016 21:50:24 GMT
I appreciate some of you will think I'm bonkers [1] for saying this but I can completely understand Mr Metroline's comments. I've lost any great desire to go anywhere in England and Wales post referendum. The country feels like a different place to the one I knew. I feel similarly about going abroad - I feel ashamed about the decision we've taken to cut ourselves off from Europe. That's the direct implication of "taking back control" IMO. I accept we've taken the decision we've taken and have to get on with it but I really, really hate where we've got to as a country, where our politics are at and some of the sentiment that has made itself prominent during and after the referendum campaign. Please just accept this statement as how I feel. I don't need a load of abuse and rebuke from people who disagree with my feelings and comments. [1] yes, yes several of you have thought that for a long time. Quelle surprise. Sorry but yes, I think your bonkers on this one occasion  Not travelling to places simply because they voted differently to yourself is an extreme overreaction personally - it's a good job Waltham Forest voted to remain then as surely you'd be looking for a new area to live in? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 24, 2016 21:52:58 GMT
I voted Leave - I'm not ashamed to admit it nor do I regret my decision but lets get a few things clear - both campaigns were poor and both sides lied about various things. No one is certain what will happen and TBH, I'm a little bemused as to why this thread keeps getting resurrected with the same things being mentioned over and over and now this thing about not visiting places because of the way their voting. People talk about a country divided - well that's certainly going to bring it back together now isn't it And then the nonsense about people wanting the referendum re-run because they didn't get the result they wanted! What's done is done, it's time to move on |
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Post by sid on Jul 24, 2016 22:10:31 GMT
I voted Leave - I'm not ashamed to admit it nor do I regret my decision but lets get a few things clear - both campaigns were poor and both sides lied about various things. No one is certain what will happen and TBH, I'm a little bemused as to why this thread keeps getting resurrected with the same things being mentioned over and over and now this thing about not visiting places because of the way their voting. People talk about a country divided - well that's certainly going to bring it back together now isn't it And then the nonsense about people wanting the referendum re-run because they didn't get the result they wanted! What's done is done, it's time to move on I very much agree that both campaigns were poor and somewhat pointless, I think most people decided long ago which way they were going to vote and I can't imagine that either campaign will have persuaded many people to change their minds. Talk of the country being divided has been ridiculously exaggerated and calls for another referendum are just laughable. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 24, 2018 18:20:25 GMT
I commiserate anyone who could not have the bus trip they wanted yesterday. I have posted elsewhere that I was in Leeds so was not on the March myself.
It is nice through my national interest in buses and explorations to see plenty of places that voted Remain. I have a formula which indicates that my pro-Remain balance of bus days out and holidays has been 69% in the second half of 2016, 64% in 2017 and 65% in the first half of 2018.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 24, 2018 18:56:14 GMT
I commiserate anyone who could not have the bus trip they wanted yesterday. I have posted elsewhere that I was in Leeds so was not on the March myself. It is nice through my national interest in buses and explorations to see plenty of places that voted Remain. I have a formula which indicates that my pro-Remain balance of bus days out and holidays has been 69% in the second half of 2016, 64% in 2017 and 65% in the first half of 2018. I think it’s incredibly selfish of those on yesterday’s march calling for another referendum - there has been enough delays in the process already and to have another referendum would make a mockery of democracy. Stop closing the roads for pointless reasons - the week before, the march that went on was something for a good reason and that was Grenfell but usually, most of these protests are about silly issues rather than serious ones. |
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Post by Alex on Jun 24, 2018 23:46:05 GMT
Bit of a thread bump from 2016 - was wondering what I was seeing in the recent posts....
It has come my way that a lot of people seem to think they are more informed now than they were at the time of the Brexit vote, and things should be done again. Well, that must be the rest of the country, London voted massively to remain so a lot of people here in the capital could see what was going on. Admittedly the demographics of London may well have been a part to play - but a lot of people could see the present government and their hard nosed attitude with free rein without EU (human rights, employment, trade union) laws being a tricky situation for people to live with in the future. From what I saw most Brexit supporters were of an older age group who wouldn't care about the longer term effects for people behind them anyway.
I can see Britain banging on the door to be let back in very quickly after the deed is done.
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Post by sid on Jun 25, 2018 5:51:01 GMT
Bit of a thread bump from 2016 - was wondering what I was seeing in the recent posts.... It has come my way that a lot of people seem to think they are more informed now than they were at the time of the Brexit vote, and things should be done again. Well, that must be the rest of the country, London voted massively to remain so a lot of people here in the capital could see what was going on. Admittedly the demographics of London may well have been a part to play - but a lot of people could see the present government and their hard nosed attitude with free rein without EU (human rights, employment, trade union) laws being a tricky situation for people to live with in the future. From what I saw most Brexit supporters were of an older age group who wouldn't care about the longer term effects for people behind them anyway. I can see Britain banging on the door to be let back in very quickly after the deed is done. More people voted leave than have ever voted for anything in British history. I don't see any likelihood of us banging on the door to be readmitted and I don't really see what the point of the demo was, it really is about time people accepted the democratic result of the referendum and moved on. |
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