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Post by Paul on Jul 12, 2021 5:46:49 GMT
A grudging congratulations to Italy but I do feel like it was a typically niggly Italian performance - I don’t think Chiellini should have escaped with just a yellow for example You could only give a red if Saka had a goal scoring chance but the foul happened by the halfway line so yellow was the right call - had it of been further up field, then the ref would of had a much tougher decision to make. My thought initially was that it wasn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity but then I saw just how much Chiellini had grabbed Saka’s shirt. It clearly serious foul play - Chiellini was very lucky to stay on the pitch in my opinion |
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Post by bus12451 on Jul 12, 2021 7:57:29 GMT
Wasn't the result I was hoping for unfortunately, England was so close! But honestly though, I'm proud that they were able to make it this far into the final, their performance on the whole was outstanding, so was Italy's.
Shaw's goal 2 minutes in put the team in a good position for much of the game. I personally would class that horse collar as serious foul play, Chiellini was lucky to get away with it. I see that Chiellini grabbing Saka has already become a meme. The penalty shootout was heart-breaking, I could feel the pain in Rashford when he had his palms on his face after missing his penalty kick.
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Post by busman on Jul 12, 2021 9:18:25 GMT
Disappointed with the result, but I feel happy that we made it to the final. Before the tournament I thought that a semi-final would be a great achievement, so I guess that surpassed my expectations.
Congratulations to Italy. We were the better side for the first 25 minutes, but once they got to grips with our 3-5-2 they were the better side.
Unlike the Italian side, our team is young and inexperienced in such occasions. Apart from Turkey, we had the youngest squad in the tournament. As long as new talent keeps coming through, the next few years could be the most successful run of tournament football this country has ever seen.
Come on England!!! 🦁🦁🦁🏴🏴🏴
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 9:40:54 GMT
Disappointed with the result, but never expected to make the final. Much improved from the 2016 Euros.
Well done Italy, unfortunately it's not coming home this time round but maybe next time (though it will be a lot harder without home advantage)
Sad to see a small minority of fans behaving in an aggressive way such as illegally getting into Wembley Stadium and fighting with police.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 12, 2021 9:53:30 GMT
I must admit that I feared the worst when Harry Maguire came up to take a penalty but he actually took the best one of the lot, no keeper was stopping that.
Jack Grealish has made it clear on twitter that he wanted to take a penalty.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 12, 2021 11:21:35 GMT
I must admit that I feared the worst when Harry Maguire came up to take a penalty but he actually took the best one of the lot, no keeper was stopping that. Jack Grealish has made it clear on twitter that he wanted to take a penalty. I've also heard that every player who took a penalty did get the choice though, so something somewhere isn't adding up on what happened. My guess is what happened is Saka put himself up for that last penalty as he was relatively young and his lack of penalty experience probably meant he didn't know the importance of what he'd do. Really Southgate, Kane or even Maguire or Henderson should have put their foot down and said no but that didn't seem to happen and the poor lad crumbled under the pressure. While the kick was going in, his approach made it obvious where the kick was about to go and Donnaruma saw right through it. Penalties are more about nerves than actual skills in my view. Rashford and Sancho are both extremely talented footballers, Rashford especially was almost genius the way he tricked Donnaruma into diving the wrong way before he then lost to his nerves and sent the penalty wide. Maguire meanwhile is no finisher by any means but knew exactly what he was doing and he didn't lose to his nerves and we saw results. Kane was exactly the same. If anyone took the last penalty Kane should have been the one taking it, with Maguire taking the first penalty and Sancho, Rashford and Saka in the middle. Overall yesterday was a roller coaster, England had an amazing first half, a disastrous second half, quite decent extra time and lost by the skin of a thread. No matter what happened they fought until the very end and they deserve to go home with their heads held high. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 12, 2021 14:38:37 GMT
Massive disappointment in the end for England, but hopefully this is just the start for this young team. It's been a fantastic tournament for them which hopefully gives them some experience. They can be proud of what they've achieved during this tournament and they will only learn from this and come back stronger. Only just over a year to go until the World Cup and they can go again, maybe it might be third time lucky for England?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 14:59:05 GMT
Overheard someone's conversation that Gareth Southgate should be knighted. I agree that he should be rewarded with something like a knighthood, maybe SPOTY to go to a footballer like Raheem Sterling.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2021 15:02:30 GMT
Overheard someone's conversation that Gareth Southgate should be knighted. I agree that he should be rewarded with something like a knighthood, maybe SPOTY to go to a footballer like Raheem Sterling. Ain’t that a bit over the top? I mean not even all the 1966 players ended up with knighthoods and they actually won it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 15:04:41 GMT
Overheard someone's conversation that Gareth Southgate should be knighted. I agree that he should be rewarded with something like a knighthood, maybe SPOTY to go to a footballer like Raheem Sterling. Ain’t that a bit over the top? I mean not even all the 1966 players ended up with knighthoods and they actually won it? Maybe. As time progresses though, and if England do continue to do well, and hopefully win some trophies, there should be some consideration for knighthoods. |
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Post by Paul on Jul 12, 2021 15:18:45 GMT
Overheard someone's conversation that Gareth Southgate should be knighted. I agree that he should be rewarded with something like a knighthood, maybe SPOTY to go to a footballer like Raheem Sterling. Maybe when they’ve won something |
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Post by busman on Jul 12, 2021 15:19:50 GMT
Overheard someone's conversation that Gareth Southgate should be knighted. I agree that he should be rewarded with something like a knighthood, maybe SPOTY to go to a footballer like Raheem Sterling. Ain’t that a bit over the top? I mean not even all the 1966 players ended up with knighthoods and they actually won it? Southgate and the team did us proud but totally agree, a knighthood is a bit over the top. They got to the final, but didn’t win. Keep Southgate in the job for Qatar 2022 and leave it at that. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 12, 2021 16:30:08 GMT
England's chancing of winning the penalty shoot-out dropped when they were going second. Teams going first win around 60%, which is a considerable advantage. I dont know why the ABBA system went away. In the Euros and Copa America, teams going first have a 100% record (about 7 shoot-outs). That 10th penalty, and subsequent, miss and out penalties are way more pressurised.
On the takers. Southgate clearly had Sterling on his mind as he was a clear candidate to be taken off for Sancho or Rashford but instead he riskily chose to have Rashford at right back. Looking at how Sterling was at the end of the shoot-out he looked a bit guilty instead of upset or overly keen on going to Saka as much as you would expect. Sterling has a bad record on penalties and so that he may have not had the confidence. There is a difference between adding to your Man City tally when you're 3-0 up and missing compared to missing the key kick in a Euro final.
I think Grealish has a bad record himself in less pressurised situations and so made sense to overrule. Saka is a mystery to me, no previous record by my recollection so must have shown something in training or was very very keen....
Sancho and Rashford misses are clearly down to lack of ball kicking practice. The situation is very similar to a kicker in NFL. However, the kicker is practicing kicks on the sideline before he comes out. Sancho/Rashford may have touched the ball in the one/two minute they were on but they did not kick the ball with a force similar to one you would need for a penalty. They may have not done this since half-time of normal time. Why do teams huddle before penalities or walk around nervously when they could kick some balls for practice.
England could have avoided penalties by keeping possession better. England are the best of those teams that cant keep possession. They just dont have the central midfielders like a Pedri/Busquets, Jorginho, Gundogan etc. They have other qualities but if they dont kill games or concede a goal they tend to struggle against the better, ball possession teams. They should be less cautious and play more attacking players to kill games.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2021 23:16:13 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Jul 13, 2021 10:45:42 GMT
How the vast majority behave, Bedford has a large Italian community but Sunday passed off without any major problems.....
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