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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 8:49:03 GMT
It definitely feels like the operator of last resort is far from a last resort, now more than ever. I don’t know if the DfT is trying to bring all the poor performing franchises (LNER, Northern, SWR, Southeastern and Essex Thameside) in house, before re-letting them after the Williams Review where contracts can be let under these preferred conditions. Id imagine the problem with this would be, would many reputable transport companies have confidence in the train franchising after having the rug pulled from beneath them... Personally I think they should be let as management contracts, so the DfT pays a set fee with reductions related to performance etc. The DfT would then take all the profit, if there was any.
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 13, 2020 14:07:41 GMT
I read what’s written on RUK, however, I was seeking your personal opinion on what working conditions need to be bought into the 21st century. The whole it has worked for the past 70 years so why should we change it attitude ... and dare to question anything you just get ganged up on and abused, and if you reply to them you get mass accusations of trolling ... that attitude speaks a lot of the rail culture to me ... bully those that dare to question your protectionist working practices. What particular practices do you mean though ? I Agree with you to some extent on the National Railway on a whole , But on c2c I don't think there is alot they can change with staff that will roll in the money or roll the network into the 21st century except for mass closing ticket offices , Only a few 12 cars units run with conductors during peaks which I think might be Drivers just covering anyway in some cases and it's a self contained network , Most the major complaining is done by Essex Commuters who don't want anyone from West Ham or Barking to get on the train and get off anywhere West of West Horndon , also there has been a very high number of complaints over the new ticket machines which people are finding complicated to use and keep failing .
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 13, 2020 15:46:14 GMT
The whole it has worked for the past 70 years so why should we change it attitude ... and dare to question anything you just get ganged up on and abused, and if you reply to them you get mass accusations of trolling ... that attitude speaks a lot of the rail culture to me ... bully those that dare to question your protectionist working practices. What particular practices do you mean though ? I Agree with you to some extent on the National Railway on a whole , But on c2c I don't think there is alot they can change with staff that will roll in the money or roll the network into the 21st century except for mass closing ticket offices , Only a few 12 cars units run with conductors during peaks which I think might be Drivers just covering anyway in some cases and it's a self contained network , Most the major complaining is done by Essex Commuters who don't want anyone from West Ham or Barking to get on the train and get off anywhere West of West Horndon , also there has been a very high number of complaints over the new ticket machines which people are finding complicated to use and keep failing . My original comment was regarding the seemingly failing state of the current rail franchise system ... as for c2c specifically, I can not recall ever using them ... so can't offer opinions on that franchise, it was more of a national comment.
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 13, 2020 18:31:58 GMT
What particular practices do you mean though ? I Agree with you to some extent on the National Railway on a whole , But on c2c I don't think there is alot they can change with staff that will roll in the money or roll the network into the 21st century except for mass closing ticket offices , Only a few 12 cars units run with conductors during peaks which I think might be Drivers just covering anyway in some cases and it's a self contained network , Most the major complaining is done by Essex Commuters who don't want anyone from West Ham or Barking to get on the train and get off anywhere West of West Horndon , also there has been a very high number of complaints over the new ticket machines which people are finding complicated to use and keep failing . My original comment was regarding the seemingly failing state of the current rail franchise system ... as for c2c specifically, I can not recall ever using them ... so can't offer opinions on that franchise, it was more of a national comment. Ok agreed the whole franchise system needs to change .
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Post by wivenswold on Mar 1, 2020 19:01:02 GMT
There was a fairly low-key leak from Downing Street a few weeks ago about the Government stopping the franchising system and replacing it with profit-capped concessions.
It'll make a nice change for me to agree with Boris.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 21, 2021 15:57:52 GMT
After two years of silence following the announcement, seems things are finally on the road to progressing at Barking www.c2c-online.co.uk/media-centre/latest-news/barking-goes-back-to-the-future/Not much seems to have changed from the original plans. Although it looks like now the station entrance will be moved closer to the centre as opposed to being two entrances at either side of the building. It should allow a smoother transition to the gatelines.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 19, 2022 20:14:18 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2022 21:06:30 GMT
I’ll miss the Electrostars on the network even if I prefer Southerns examples myself. Where are c2c’s Electrostars transferring to?
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 19, 2022 21:41:26 GMT
I’ll miss the Electrostars on the network even if I prefer Southerns examples myself. Where are c2c’s Electrostars transferring to? Believe they're going to GTR? Though unconfirmed publicly?
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 19, 2022 21:56:46 GMT
I’ll miss the Electrostars on the network even if I prefer Southerns examples myself. Where are c2c’s Electrostars transferring to? Believe they're going to GTR? Though unconfirmed publicly? Nothing official has been confirmed yet though it would make perfect sense if the 6 387/2's GN have are to return south after the May timetable change to aid the release of 377's onto 455 work. Unfortunately, stock changes seem to be dictated by the DfT, who in my view don't have a clue what they're doing in the slightest.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 20, 2022 0:46:13 GMT
I’ll miss the Electrostars on the network even if I prefer Southerns examples myself. Where are c2c’s Electrostars transferring to? Believe they're going to GTR? Though unconfirmed publicly? Bit of a surprise really. The Crossrail trains really no longer feel special. Various version of it are now on London Overground, then Greater Anglia and now C2C. The trains on the C2C Fenchurch st line seem new still, surprised they are being replaced???
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Post by vjaska on Apr 20, 2022 3:34:14 GMT
Believe they're going to GTR? Though unconfirmed publicly? Bit of a surprise really. The Crossrail trains really no longer feel special. Various version of it are now on London Overground, then Greater Anglia and now C2C. The trains on the C2C Fenchurch st line seem new still, surprised they are being replaced??? I got my wires crossed, it's only the 387's that are leaving with the 357's continuing on c2c services
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 20, 2022 10:56:31 GMT
Bit of a surprise really. The Crossrail trains really no longer feel special. Various version of it are now on London Overground, then Greater Anglia and now C2C. The trains on the C2C Fenchurch st line seem new still, surprised they are being replaced??? I got my wires crossed, it's only the 387's that are leaving with the 357's continuing on c2c services I have just google'd and see that these new 320's are to replace 6 of the 387. Bit of a strange one, especially as the 387's are not even 10 years old
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Post by WH241 on Apr 20, 2022 11:04:25 GMT
I got my wires crossed, it's only the 387's that are leaving with the 357's continuing on c2c services I have just google'd and see that these new 320's are to replace 6 of the 387. Bit of a strange one, especially as the 387's are not even 10 years old Think they were only intended as a short lease until the new rolling stock arrives. Was meant to be a three year lease but guessing it was extended?
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 20, 2022 11:38:42 GMT
I got my wires crossed, it's only the 387's that are leaving with the 357's continuing on c2c services I have just google'd and see that these new 320's are to replace 6 of the 387. Bit of a strange one, especially as the 387's are not even 10 years old The 387s were only intended as a stop gap as far as I am aware.
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