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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 9, 2018 17:17:40 GMT
An example of a bus only section which is a classic example of it doesn't work is the section of Rye Lane, Peckham between Hanover Park and Peckham High Street. Buses aren't allowed to overtake, pedestrians have to cross a busy cycle lane and the buses to cross the road and isn't generally pleasant at all.
Pedestrianising that part of Rye Lane would be more beneficial to shoppers and cyclists than having double deckers clogging up the road.
Add that to North End, Croydon and see why it wouldn't work.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 7, 2018 16:45:09 GMT
I still can't believe there are people who'd want buses back down North End. For those of us who are actually old enough to remember the old Croydon, North End was a grotty shopping street with narrow pavements which as you can imagine on a Saturday afternoon would be 'fun', heaving with buses and cars, which wasn't very easy to cross the road. It divided the Whitgift from the Drummond (now Centrale) and wasn't a nice experience.
Don't get me wrong, pedestrianised or not, Croydon still has it's issues and is dying for the regeneration of the Whitgift as part of the new development which will see a Westfield on the site merged with Centrale, but making North End buses only would be a retrograde step in the regeneration of the town.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 4, 2018 16:45:36 GMT
One thing I've noticed is the lack of turns under GAL on the 176. Sydenham, Forest Hill and Dulwich Library were common under Arriva.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 28, 2017 22:48:50 GMT
People who have to travel one stop on a bus are just as obliged to do so as people who have to travel ten stops. I have done it the odd time before either because of my foot condition or to duck the rain. Neither instances mean that I’m worthy of being labelled as “scum”. Not even that, I travel on buses because I have paid whether that be one stop or the whole route. There's no rule stating that people are not allowed to do that. I've had issues with the 42 at East Dulwich station where some drivers have refused to stop to pick up my elderly mother who has difficulty walking up the park to Sainsbury's, so will use the 42 or the P13 for the one stop. Most drivers don't mind, but will say that they're just going into the supermarket. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 14, 2017 2:35:52 GMT
Penge West and Anerley have always been relatively quiet stations. This is true, but the same could have been said for a lot of the Overground stations in pre-Overground days. The point is that Penge West hasn't seen the same sort of Overground-led growth that many of the other stations have. I suppose it could be because the Overground hasn't actually added much to the service at Penge, unlike other areas where the service improvements have been more obvious. Another reason why is Sydenham and Crystal Palace are a quick bus ride away and in Zone 3. Cheaper than actually staying on the train. In the case of Penge West, Sydenham has 8tph on the Overground and 4tph Southern to London Bridge, compared to 4tph Overground from West Croydon and 2tph Southern to LBG. RRB's also avoid Penge West as it's not practical and Anerley is a short walk away. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 14, 2017 2:32:02 GMT
Thanks for all the interesting replies. There's obviously more to working out possible routes than is apparent to the layman. I just wish you could still go from Bayswater direct to Liverpool St as in the past. You just walk a few yards to Queensway station and take the Central Line - faster and vastly more frequent. Bayswater and Queensway stations are almost next door neighbours. There's also the option to walk up Queensway, turn left past Paddington Library and Royal Oak is on the right hand side. Less than 5-10 mins walk from Bayswater/Queensway and is another useful, but lesser known alternative for the Circle/H&C. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 11, 2017 13:49:20 GMT
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 11, 2017 2:00:18 GMT
WHV157, EH82, EH129, EH163, EH167 and EH170 are now on the 176.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 11, 2017 0:34:13 GMT
Here we go, the first GAL bus on the 176 is WHV112 from Penge.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 11, 2017 0:31:11 GMT
No sign of GAL on the 176 yet, Arriva VLA51 is on a northbound service to TCR.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 8, 2017 13:05:04 GMT
While it's true that there are some very short hop journeys which are more convenient by bus. Trafalgar Square to Tottenham Court Road for example, Crossrail is still going to be a quicker proposition than the bus from Bond Street to Paddington despite having to use escalators or lifts to reach the platforms.
We're going to have to face facts that bus journeys are becoming longer thanks to congestion, but also by controllers holding buses back to regulate the service, which makes the whole bus experience less than enjoyable for all but the most local of journeys during the daytime period.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 7, 2017 23:58:21 GMT
I totally agree and as you say Oxford Street has lost out to the Westfield Centres. North End in Croydon is a good case in point, there were objections to that at the time but would anybody really want to turn the clock back now? Two bus routes along Wigmore Street is probably all that could be reasonably accommodated, yes there is some inconvenience to some bus users but totally outweighed by the benefits of Crossrail. Totally outweighed? hmm, I don't see Crossrail stopping at John Lewis, Oxford Circus or Selfridges. I can see some benefits pedestrianisation will bring but Crossrail does not "totally outweigh" the inconvenience. Bond Street is in walking distance of all three shops. The Bond Street Crossrail only station is virtually next door to Oxford Circus! |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 7, 2017 21:44:27 GMT
The pedestrianisation of Oxford Street should have happened years ago. Suburban high streets have been pedestrianised over the last 30 years. Can anyone really imagine vehicles going across North End in Croydon in 2017?
Oxford Street has lost out to the two Westfield Shopping Centres which offer a car free shopping experience while offering similar shops. Car free weekends have proven to be successful in the past running up to Christmas. Not to mention the increase in pedestrian/vehicle RTA's in the affected Oxford St. West.
From a bus point of view, two routes running along Wigmore Street is no compensation for the loss of the routes currently. TfL I suspect are expecting customers to use the Central line and Crossrail/Elizabeth line to compensate for the lack of bus services. Would be great if Sadiq offered a £1.50 fare between TCR and Marble Arch to compensate for the lack of buses, but there's no money thanks to the fares freeze and cuts in subsidation.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 7, 2017 16:32:33 GMT
Does Q take over the 176 with the start of the Night Bus timetable or the first daytime bus on Saturday morning?
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Oct 11, 2017 14:56:45 GMT
The Forest Hill Society raised this with Caroline Pidgeon recently, alas the question as there is clearly demand for late night Overground services south of New Cross Gate. Currently the RRB's run every 5 mins between NXG and Crystal Palace, with deckers between London Bridge and West Croydon. The NXG to Crystal Palace option using single deckers may be an option. 6bph NXG-CP 6tph - LBG-WCY. Why not double deckers, 172 to Brockley Rise, 122 to Crystal Palace and 157 to West Croydon? It's only Penge West that wouldn't be served. Single deckers are better suited to Honor Oak Park and Honor Oak Road. Also Forest Hill isn't served by a night route from New Cross Gate, leaving passengers at least a 15 min walk from Stanstead Road on the 171. Incidentally the RRB's don't server Penge West anyway and is a short walk from Anerley Station. Route 176 serves Penge West through the night anyway. |
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