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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 3, 2013 17:58:34 GMT
Going back to the earlier suggestion of axing the 356 with diverting it using the 181 towards Tulse Hill, it doesn't take into consideration the useful connection in Upper Sydenham which connects that area to Forest Hill as it has no other direct bus. Until they had the 352 then the 356, those who couldn't walk to FH were expected to get the 363 to Lordship Lane, then cross a busy main road for the routes into FH or get the 202 to Kirkdale then change for the 122, 197 or 176.
Single decker routes such as the 356 and the P13 are not designed to be ridden along the whole route, but offer useful connections to largely residential areas without trunk routes as is the case with the 356 between Upper Sydenham and Forest Hill, FH to Lower Sydenham, Penge to Elmers End Tesco and so on.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 21, 2013 18:24:11 GMT
Some of the routes I don't like have already been mentioned, such as the 197 and the P13, however the P12 is worthy of a mention because of the extension both north and south of the original route which has led to it being unreliable. It used to operate a circular route from Peckham to to the council estate opposite Honor Oak Cemetery and back. It replaced the P13 north of Queens Road Peckham station to Surrey Quays and was extended to Brockley Rise via Honor Oak Park station.
Due to the overlength of the route, it now has similar issues to the P13, especially in the peaks.
The 343 also deserves a mention, although I find the problems on that route is due to the lack of assistance from other routes in the North Peckham area, also I find Abellio's buses scruffy and and sudden change of buses which I've experienced in the Elephant and Castle doesn't help.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 18, 2013 21:53:43 GMT
Last year, I remember seeing some of the drivers on the carnival services taking their breaks at Peckham Bus Station.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 18, 2013 21:45:21 GMT
How can a driver tell if a passenger is genuinely vulnerable? Most if not all of under 19s have some form of free bus travel which leaves adults. There will be some who'll try and abuse the system for a free bus ride.
However, the negative balance for one bus journey is better than nothing.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 13, 2013 1:43:28 GMT
I spotted a plain clothes RPI on the 24 on Monday.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 13, 2013 1:36:49 GMT
Route 356 should be increased to 15 mins Mon-Sat shopping hours and 20 on Sunday shopping hours. It provides the only direct link to Forest Hill.
The current frequency of 20 mins Mon-Sat, 30 evenings and Sundays is woeful. The bus is busy during the morning and afternoon school run and will only get busier when the new retail park fully opens.
In addition to the 202 being double decked, it should also serve the bus stops between the new retail park and Sainsburys, it's the only route which doesn't serve it.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jul 21, 2013 21:38:11 GMT
The 37 would become more unreliable if extended as you've then got running along good sized chunk of the South Circular. I'm sure everyone east of Brixton would be mightily unhappy with their bus service becoming unreliable particularly the lone sections between Herne Hill & North Dulwich & between North Dulwich & East Dulwich. IMO, all the 37 needs is a higher frequency & along with the 35, extra capacity between Clapham Junction & Clapham Common in the form of an extended 49 or 417. Also raises the question of whether there's actually any demand to go from Peckham or Brixton to Hounslow. Long trunk routes are useless if they're not going between two destinations that you could conceivably ride a significant distance on - the 25, 53, 113 and 208 serve as examples as those sorts of routes. I remember going on the 37 from East Dulwich to Richmond one Boxing Day in the early 90s when it was extended for the day. This was before shops would open on that day, so the roads were quiet and I think it was 2bph on the route, so easy to regulate. It simply wouldn't be possible to have such a long route now. I also remember the 176 running between Forest Hill (East Dulwich evenings and Sundays) to Willesden Garage, unthinkable now considering how long it takes to get to Tottenham Court Road on it's present route.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jul 6, 2013 21:11:59 GMT
Looking at Countdown, there appears to be short runs to Loughborough Junction and Brockley Rise.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jul 2, 2013 22:20:56 GMT
I live on the P13 route and it's the 'last choice' route. If I shop at Dog Kennel Hill Sainsburys, I'd rather wait for a 176 or 185 than travel round the back of East Dulwich on a cramped single decker which seems to get it's fair share of Dulwich tractors (buggies), long gaps in service, the long winded trip to Peckham and the pointless section between Peckham and New Cross Sainsburys (served by plenty of other routes) where it runs along Queens Road instead of serving Asylum Road as it did previously.
However, the section between Lordship Lane - The Grove and Streatham is useful as a near main service to connect those who live in that part of Dulwich with Tulse Hill and Streatham.
The route like the P12 is long winded and really should only be used as a feeder service for those passengers who need to connect to main bus routes or the rail stations on the route otherwise.
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