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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 18:27:41 GMT
Yesterday at Victoria, I managed to briefly ride on one of Gatwick Express's Class 442 to East Croydon, which was doing the 14:36 fast service to Brighton. I've gotta say that it's pretty rare to see one of these to do a regular Southern service.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 21:44:32 GMT
Yesterday at Victoria, I managed to briefly ride on one of Gatwick Express's Class 442 to East Croydon, which was doing the 14:36 fast service to Brighton. I've gotta say that it's pretty rare to see one of these to do a regular Southern service. Class 442s are now regularly used on the fast Victoria-Brighton jobs, as well as the non stop Gatwick Express. Very nice trains they are too! Oh and if you go to Brighton or Eastbourne, you will find most of the ex London Overground Class 313s spending a "new life" on the coast with Southern.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 23:49:50 GMT
Yesterday at Victoria, I managed to briefly ride on one of Gatwick Express's Class 442 to East Croydon, which was doing the 14:36 fast service to Brighton. I've gotta say that it's pretty rare to see one of these to do a regular Southern service. Class 442s are now regularly used on the fast Victoria-Brighton jobs, as well as the non stop Gatwick Express. Very nice trains they are too! Oh and if you go to Brighton or Eastbourne, you will find most of the ex London Overground Class 313s spending a "new life" on the coast with Southern. I've never seen a 442 on platforms 15 - 19 at all, even though I use them a few times every week.There was one time last month when a 460 was used as a shuttle service to East Croydon after a blizzard (and my very first time riding one ). TBH, I thought that they're very comfortable trains to ride in but the acceleration can be comparable to LU's A stock. I've been following progress on the Overground's 313s on another forum, and I heard that the locals are complaining about the lack of toilets.
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Post by zebedee104 on Jan 12, 2011 9:47:23 GMT
That's hardly surprising when they're using traction motors from the 1960s, the 442s used the ones originally fitted to the 4REP stock built for the Bournemouth electrification of that era.
442s are lovely trains. I had the pleasure of coming back from Brighton on one last month in the evening post-peak. So much more pleasant internally than the 378s (which themselves aren't bad in any way shape or form).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 19:41:10 GMT
That's hardly surprising when they're using traction motors from the 1960s, the 442s used the ones originally fitted to the 4REP stock built for the Bournemouth electrification of that era. 442s are lovely trains. I had the pleasure of coming back from Brighton on one last month in the evening post-peak. So much more pleasant internally than the 378s (which themselves aren't bad in any way shape or form). You mean the 377s? I actually quite like them design-wise, a bit cramped when it comes to standing up though. But yes, the 442s can't be compared when it comes to comfort. Speaking of Southern, I think that the Milton Keynes - East Croydon service should be a little more regular. It's now a fairly popular route for shoppers from Harrow and Herfordshire to get to Westfield.
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Post by zebedee104 on Jan 12, 2011 20:41:40 GMT
Sorry, yes 377 - bit of morning brain fade. They are decent bits of kit.
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Post by daveb0789 on Jan 13, 2011 2:40:48 GMT
Personally I'm not sure if I would call the 442s slow - especially as they still hold the official record of 109 mph for a DC Third rail unit. With all the motors in the middle coach I think they are at a disadvantage to units which have more distributed traction. On the last day of slam door operations on the Lymington Branch i expected the units to be slow. Maybe because they were only formed of 3 cars was the reason for their brisk acceleration to 60 mph.
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Post by mre81 on Jan 13, 2011 21:40:06 GMT
The 442's are also used on peak services between London Bridge and Eastbourne. One of the platforms at London Bridge (I think it's platform 11) has a big blue square painted at the station end saying '442 STOP' I think for some reason they stop a little further out or closer in than other trains.
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Post by metrobusfan on Nov 11, 2011 15:19:25 GMT
The 442's are also used on peak services between London Bridge and Eastbourne. One of the platforms at London Bridge (I think it's platform 11) has a big blue square painted at the station end saying '442 STOP' I think for some reason they stop a little further out or closer in than other trains. yes its platform 11, that the platfrom the london brisge to eastbourn service is normaly booked on
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Post by smiler52 on Nov 15, 2011 22:31:53 GMT
i don't know if they are they are the same now but when they was at south west trains i found there was a big lack of legroom but i must admit i like the class 444 better thanks
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Post by metrobusfan on Jan 6, 2012 23:29:38 GMT
i don't know if they are they are the same now but when they was at south west trains i found there was a big lack of legroom but i must admit i like the class 444 better thanks yer still got lack of leg room
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 20:56:50 GMT
class 442s are good for express work but they take a hell of a time to get to get going.
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Post by snowman on Nov 19, 2012 15:02:56 GMT
Not sure if it has been reported on here before Southern is exercising an option for 40 extra carriages (8 * 5 car) in dual voltage configuration for delivery for service by Dec 2014 Also is considering for another 116 (dual voltage) 110mph (with options for another 100) subject to Dept of Transport accepting business case www.southernrailway.com/southern/news/procurement-of-new-rolling-stock/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 15:05:59 GMT
Not sure if it has been reported on here before Southern is exercising an option for 40 extra carriages (8 * 5 car) in dual voltage configuration for delivery for service by Dec 2014 Also is considering for another 116 (dual voltage) 110mph (with options for another 100) subject to Dept of Transport accepting business case www.southernrailway.com/southern/news/procurement-of-new-rolling-stock/Huge amount of new stock arriving then, excellent. Eventually when FCC get their new stock (whenever that is) there'll be the 377s coming back from that, too. Might see the back of the 313s and 455s, finally - and the 456s are meeting their demise with the Inner South London line going
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Post by snowman on Nov 19, 2012 15:29:29 GMT
Not sure if it has been reported on here before Southern is exercising an option for 40 extra carriages (8 * 5 car) in dual voltage configuration for delivery for service by Dec 2014 Also is considering for another 116 (dual voltage) 110mph (with options for another 100) subject to Dept of Transport accepting business case www.southernrailway.com/southern/news/procurement-of-new-rolling-stock/Huge amount of new stock arriving then, excellent. Eventually when FCC get their new stock (whenever that is) there'll be the 377s coming back from that, too. Might see the back of the 313s and 455s, finally - and the 456s are meeting their demise with the Inner South London line going The 456s are going to South West Trains as part of the 10-car scheme on the Windsor lines suburban (Hounslow loop etc) I also think some of the 319s were supposed to be heading to NW England for the newly electrified lines there. Starts to suggest Bombardier has got the Thameslink fleet by the back door as the 1200 vehicle contract with Siemens was never signed and the Thameslink fleet was supposed to enter service between 2014-2016 (now looking more like 2016-2018, even if a contract eventually gets signed in early 2013)
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