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Post by vjaska on Nov 12, 2013 3:37:28 GMT
My own view:
14 & 74 curtailed to Putney Bridge Station
22 & 220 diverted via Wandsworth Bridge
85 & 430 curtailed to Putney Garage
93 curtailed to Putney (the old 37 stand)
270 curtailed to Putney Common
39 & 265 curtailed to Putney Heath
424 diverted via Hammersmith Bridge
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Post by M1104 on Nov 12, 2013 4:07:42 GMT
I reckon the 85 and 93 should divert via Upper Richmond Road towards Wandsworth so that it still directly serves the District Line at East Putney. Perhaps if possible a plan could develop for buses to terminate at East Putney Station and turn around via the sidestreets, similar to the nearby old stand for the 37 which used sidestreets to get to the stand.
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Post by snowman on Nov 12, 2013 7:52:24 GMT
I suspect much of the commuter use will happily change to trains at Putney or District Line at Putney Bridge as journeys would continue beyond single bus route anyway.
Just out of interest when are the longer S7 trains due to start on Wimbledon-Edgware Rd line. At Putney the first of the 10 car trains starts Dec with most lengthened by May (with the 456s and 458/5s). Anyone with a travelcard will be OK, but those with bus only tickets will have a problem unless ticket relaxation applies.
If the bridge closure goes ahead perhaps the best thing that could happen would be an area replan (something the London Assembly wants) as the current pattern of routes has its origins decades ago when employment and leisure patterns were different. Would be good if when reopens a bus network appropriate to 2015 rather than 1955 is started.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 12, 2013 8:05:54 GMT
I reckon the 85 and 93 should divert via Upper Richmond Road towards Wandsworth so that it still directly serves the District Line at East Putney. Perhaps if possible a plan could develop for buses to terminate at East Putney Station and turn around via the sidestreets, similar to the nearby old stand for the 37 which used sidestreets to get to the stand. No need for that, it's a waste of time, East Putney is a 5 minute walk from Putney High Street.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 9:02:59 GMT
They should just have two lanes open for bus traffic only, in the report they highlight that at peak 120 buses per hour use the bridge. This is a lot to rework and Putney routes would rack up a lot of dead mileage. The way I see it either TfL pay for the operators dead mileage or for a partial closing of the bridge. Just depends which works out cheaper for them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 9:33:57 GMT
Here is a solution. 14 Diverted to Hammersmith Broadway. 22 Diverted via Wandsworth Bridge Road, Wandsworth bridge, Wandsworth town, then via 270 to Putney Common 74 Curtailed at Putney Bridge Station 85 Curtailed at Putney Garage 93 Curtailed to Putney Garage 265 Extended to Wandsworth 270 Extended to Putney Common 220 Curtailed at Putney Bridge station 424 Curtailed at Putney Bridge station. Extended from Fulham to Hammersmith and then takes up 485 routing to Wandsworth 430 Diverted via Wandsworth Bridge and Fulham Broadway N22 diverted as per 22 N74 follows 430 diversion Routes 14 & 74 temporarily allocated to MW Too much hassle just make it simple, reduce Milage and cut off links as a bridge is being closed so things will cost more. 14, 22, 74 & (220) curtailed and terminate at Putney Bridge transferred to SW 39, 85, 93 curtailed and Stand in Putney Garage. 265 diverted to Putney Heath 270 to Putney Common Anyone who wants Putney Bridge can walk to East Putney and get the District Line with their existing ticket accepted. N22 & N74 diversion 333 to MW temp 87 AL & 170 to PL temp or 19 Part Allocation to NP temp and full N19 temp. 430 no replacement as it follows the 74, just the Roehampton Section covered instead extended to Wandsworth replacing the 220 for 6 months 424 run in two sections Putney Heath to Putney High Street using 1 bus AF Fulham Craven Cottage to Putney Bridge operated from SW all 424 tickets through to the District Line Make it simple you say? What by reallocating routes to different garages and all the costs that will involve?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 9:35:20 GMT
They should just have two lanes open for bus traffic only, in the report they highlight that at peak 120 buses per hour use the bridge. This is a lot to rework and Putney routes would rack up a lot of dead mileage. The way I see it either TfL pay for the operators dead mileage or for a partial closing of the bridge. Just depends which works out cheaper for them I suspect that may well be what happens in the end
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 12, 2013 10:24:42 GMT
Too much hassle just make it simple, reduce Milage and cut off links as a bridge is being closed so things will cost more. 14, 22, 74 & (220) curtailed and terminate at Putney Bridge transferred to SW 39, 85, 93 curtailed and Stand in Putney Garage. 265 diverted to Putney Heath 270 to Putney Common Anyone who wants Putney Bridge can walk to East Putney and get the District Line with their existing ticket accepted. N22 & N74 diversion 333 to MW temp 87 AL & 170 to PL temp or 19 Part Allocation to NP temp and full N19 temp. 430 no replacement as it follows the 74, just the Roehampton Section covered instead extended to Wandsworth replacing the 220 for 6 months 424 run in two sections Putney Heath to Putney High Street using 1 bus AF Fulham Craven Cottage to Putney Bridge operated from SW all 424 tickets through to the District Line Make it simple you say? What by reallocating routes to different garages and all the costs that will involve? My idea is that it would be more difficult for AF to run all there routes when Putney Bridge is closed, but maybe I could be wrong. Which is why I mentioned a few temp reallocations. M
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Post by M1104 on Nov 12, 2013 12:51:00 GMT
Here is a solution. 14 Diverted to Hammersmith Broadway. 22 Diverted via Wandsworth Bridge Road, Wandsworth bridge, Wandsworth town, then via 270 to Putney Common 74 Curtailed at Putney Bridge Station 85 Curtailed at Putney Garage 93 Curtailed to Putney Garage 265 Extended to Wandsworth 270 Extended to Putney Common 220 Curtailed at Putney Bridge station 424 Curtailed at Putney Bridge station. Extended from Fulham to Hammersmith and then takes up 485 routing to Wandsworth 430 Diverted via Wandsworth Bridge and Fulham Broadway N22 diverted as per 22 N74 follows 430 diversion Routes 14 & 74 temporarily allocated to MW Too much hassle just make it simple, reduce Milage and cut off links as a bridge is being closed so things will cost more. 14, 22, 74 & (220) curtailed and terminate at Putney Bridge transferred to SW 39, 85, 93 curtailed and Stand in Putney Garage. 265 diverted to Putney Heath 270 to Putney Common Anyone who wants Putney Bridge can walk to East Putney and get the District Line with their existing ticket accepted. N22 & N74 diversion 333 to MW temp 87 AL & 170 to PL temp or 19 Part Allocation to NP temp and full N19 temp. 430 no replacement as it follows the 74, just the Roehampton Section covered instead extended to Wandsworth replacing the 220 for 6 months 424 run in two sections Putney Heath to Putney High Street using 1 bus AF Fulham Craven Cottage to Putney Bridge operated from SW all 424 tickets through to the District Line Transferring routes to other depots in connection with the closure will mean paying all those affected AF drivers transfer allowance on a daily basis (Consolidated into their weekly wages). It will also mean that SW/MW/etc would be involved in schedule changes and possible reblinding of some buses to allow for overall fleet flexibility. There is also the factor that AL, SW and/or Q may have more overall engineering responsibilities on the transferred buses, though I suppose AF can still handle their own buses with any big time engineering work. Keeping the routes based at AF and dealing with the extra dead mileage may be cheaper and less inconvenient than the above factors. Happy to be corrected (as always) as I am only speculating.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 12:56:44 GMT
Too much hassle just make it simple, reduce Milage and cut off links as a bridge is being closed so things will cost more. 14, 22, 74 & (220) curtailed and terminate at Putney Bridge transferred to SW 39, 85, 93 curtailed and Stand in Putney Garage. 265 diverted to Putney Heath 270 to Putney Common Anyone who wants Putney Bridge can walk to East Putney and get the District Line with their existing ticket accepted. N22 & N74 diversion 333 to MW temp 87 AL & 170 to PL temp or 19 Part Allocation to NP temp and full N19 temp. 430 no replacement as it follows the 74, just the Roehampton Section covered instead extended to Wandsworth replacing the 220 for 6 months 424 run in two sections Putney Heath to Putney High Street using 1 bus AF Fulham Craven Cottage to Putney Bridge operated from SW all 424 tickets through to the District Line Transferring routes to other depots in connection with the closure will mean paying all those affected AF drivers transfer allowance on a daily basis (Consolidated into their weekly wages). It will also mean that SW/MW/etc would be involved in schedule changes and possible reblinding of some buses to allow for overall fleet flexibility. There is also the factor that SW or Q may have more engineering responsibilities on the extra buses based at Mandella Way, which I believe is still only allowed to do light maintenance on their buses. Mind you, I suppose they could still go home to AF for any big jobs. Keeping the routes based at AF and dealing with the extra dead mileage may be cheaper and less inconvenient than the above factors. Happy to be corrected (as always) as I am only speculating. That's what I'd have thought, a load more expense by involving other garages in it all. I would think some sort of access across Putney Bridge will be possible, maybe just for an hour or so in the morning to bring buses n/b from the garage and return them later in the day with driver changeovers throughout the day at Putney Bridge Stn
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Post by M1104 on Nov 12, 2013 13:22:46 GMT
I reckon the 85 and 93 should divert via Upper Richmond Road towards Wandsworth so that it still directly serves the District Line at East Putney. Perhaps if possible a plan could develop for buses to terminate at East Putney Station and turn around via the sidestreets, similar to the nearby old stand for the 37 which used sidestreets to get to the stand. No need for that, it's a waste of time, East Putney is a 5 minute walk from Putney High Street. Not quite a waste of time I think as the factor of safety and comfort is by coincidence more beneficial. There is also the issue on whether Putney Garage will have the convenience and space of so many buses coming in to stand and turn around.... the problem being more compounded when it's own buses are returning for fuelling/cleaning/parking. The 93 alone is a high frequency route, so I imagine up to three buses may be at the stand at one time.... assuming that's how it presently is at Putney Bridge Station.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 12, 2013 13:36:08 GMT
No need for that, it's a waste of time, East Putney is a 5 minute walk from Putney High Street. Not quite a waste of time I think as the factor of safety and comfort is by coincidence more beneficial. There is also the issue on whether Putney Garage will have the convenience and space of so many buses coming in to stand and turn around.... the problem being more compounded when it's own buses are returning for fuelling/cleaning/parking. The 93 alone is a high frequency route, so I imagine up to three buses may be at the stand at one time.... assuming that's how it presently is at Putney Bridge Station. I see your point, but is there really any need when people can just use the 37 & 337 or walk to East Putney Station, a shuttle service would probably be free, but at the same time make a loss for whatever company is running it. The 39 also links Southfields so anyone wishing to get to the tube line should alight at Southfields and 93 passes Wimbledon as well so also two good options, but at the same time if people want Putney Bridge who is going to take the 39 in the opposite direction from Putney just to get the District Line I thought about that and AF will probably not have much space to stand 4 bus routes, but with the 74 terminating at Putney Bridge there should be space to at least terminate one or two routes. Putney Heath could also be used eg the 39, 265 & 430 or the 430 could be temporarily extended to Wandsworth for the duration of the Closure and 270 to Putney Common
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 12, 2013 13:40:17 GMT
Too much hassle just make it simple, reduce Milage and cut off links as a bridge is being closed so things will cost more. 14, 22, 74 & (220) curtailed and terminate at Putney Bridge transferred to SW 39, 85, 93 curtailed and Stand in Putney Garage. 265 diverted to Putney Heath 270 to Putney Common Anyone who wants Putney Bridge can walk to East Putney and get the District Line with their existing ticket accepted. N22 & N74 diversion 333 to MW temp 87 AL & 170 to PL temp or 19 Part Allocation to NP temp and full N19 temp. 430 no replacement as it follows the 74, just the Roehampton Section covered instead extended to Wandsworth replacing the 220 for 6 months 424 run in two sections Putney Heath to Putney High Street using 1 bus AF Fulham Craven Cottage to Putney Bridge operated from SW all 424 tickets through to the District Line Transferring routes to other depots in connection with the closure will mean paying all those affected AF drivers transfer allowance on a daily basis (Consolidated into their weekly wages). It will also mean that SW/MW/etc would be involved in schedule changes and possible reblinding of some buses to allow for overall fleet flexibility. There is also the factor that AL, SW and/or Q may have more overall engineering responsibilities on the transferred buses, though I suppose AF can still handle their own buses with any big time engineering work. Keeping the routes based at AF and dealing with the extra dead mileage may be cheaper and less inconvenient than the above factors. Happy to be corrected (as always) as I am only speculating. All good points. I agree
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 16:53:41 GMT
Wandsworth council are pushing for a total closure for 6 months. Hammersmith & Fulham want a bus only operation in place which would mean a 11 month closure. Either way, huge distruption beckons in West London for much of 2014 !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 20:51:09 GMT
The closure won't be until 2015
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