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Post by vjaska on May 16, 2014 19:52:30 GMT
My own view: 14 & 74 curtailed to Putney Bridge Station 22 & 220 diverted via Wandsworth Bridge 85 & 430 curtailed to Putney Garage 93 curtailed to Putney (the old 37 stand) 270 curtailed to Putney Common 39 & 265 curtailed to Putney Heath 424 diverted via Hammersmith Bridge The above is what I'd proposed if Putney Bridge was to close - original post found at the top of page 2 The one proposal I'd slightly change is the 93!- I've done a google maps search and the old 37 stand on a back street off Upper Richmond Road no longer exists but a temporary one could be erected on St. John's Avenue - buses leaving the stand would run via Burston Road & Upper Richmond Road before rejoining Putney Hill.
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Post by fg49 on May 16, 2014 21:28:23 GMT
Here is a solution. 14 Diverted to Hammersmith Broadway. 22 Diverted via Wandsworth Bridge Road, Wandsworth bridge, Wandsworth town, then via 270 to Putney Common 74 Curtailed at Putney Bridge Station 85 Curtailed at Putney Garage 93 Curtailed to Putney Garage 265 Extended to Wandsworth 270 Extended to Putney Common 220 Curtailed at Putney Bridge station 424 Curtailed at Putney Bridge station. Extended from Fulham to Hammersmith and then takes up 485 routing to Wandsworth 430 Diverted via Wandsworth Bridge and Fulham Broadway N22 diverted as per 22 N74 follows 430 diversion Routes 14 & 74 temporarily allocated to MW Too much hassle just make it simple, reduce Milage and cut off links as a bridge is being closed so things will cost more. 14, 22, 74 & (220) curtailed and terminate at Putney Bridge transferred to SW 39, 85, 93 curtailed and Stand in Putney Garage. 265 diverted to Putney Heath 270 to Putney Common Anyone who wants Putney Bridge can walk to East Putney and get the District Line with their existing ticket accepted. N22 & N74 diversion 333 to MW temp 87 AL & 170 to PL temp or 19 Part Allocation to NP temp and full N19 temp. 430 no replacement as it follows the 74, just the Roehampton Section covered instead extended to Wandsworth replacing the 220 for 6 months 424 run in two sections Putney Heath to Putney High Street using 1 bus AF Fulham Craven Cottage to Putney Bridge operated from SW all 424 tickets through to the District Line Or the 19's B9TL allocation transferred to NP. 170 and 315 moving to PL. 87 and 333 to AL. 39, 337 and 493 to AF. 14, 22 and 74 to SW. 430 temp withdrawn 485 PVR increased to 10 with 7 double-deckers from the 430 running between Wandsworth and Barnes Common Remaining buses from 430 sent to SW for the 14, 22 and 74.
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Post by moz on May 16, 2014 22:28:37 GMT
If reallocations are in order then the 37, 170 and 337 could become prime targets to temporarily move to AF, leaving more central garages with more available bridges to get buses into town on AF routes. Very loose aside, but don't forget that PM once had an allocation on the N14!
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Post by vjaska on May 16, 2014 23:56:01 GMT
Too much hassle just make it simple, reduce Milage and cut off links as a bridge is being closed so things will cost more. 14, 22, 74 & (220) curtailed and terminate at Putney Bridge transferred to SW 39, 85, 93 curtailed and Stand in Putney Garage. 265 diverted to Putney Heath 270 to Putney Common Anyone who wants Putney Bridge can walk to East Putney and get the District Line with their existing ticket accepted. N22 & N74 diversion 333 to MW temp 87 AL & 170 to PL temp or 19 Part Allocation to NP temp and full N19 temp. 430 no replacement as it follows the 74, just the Roehampton Section covered instead extended to Wandsworth replacing the 220 for 6 months 424 run in two sections Putney Heath to Putney High Street using 1 bus AF Fulham Craven Cottage to Putney Bridge operated from SW all 424 tickets through to the District Line Or the 19's B9TL allocation transferred to NP. 170 and 315 moving to PL. 87 and 333 to AL. 39, 337 and 493 to AF. 14, 22 and 74 to SW. 430 temp withdrawn 485 PVR increased to 10 with 7 double-deckers from the 430 running between Wandsworth and Barnes Common Remaining buses from 430 sent to SW for the 14, 22 and 74. Pretty sure that PL is full and I also believe that AL could only handle the 87 or the 333 rather than both - personally, I don't see any major change of routes transferring between garages.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 3:01:15 GMT
I suppose if the 39,85,93 & 265 cant use Putney Bridge Station stand , it makes sense to put the 14,22 & 220 there. Temporary route from there to Wandsworth. 270 extend to Putney Common , 265 extend to Wandsworth.
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Post by sid on May 17, 2014 10:45:48 GMT
I suppose if the 39,85,93 & 265 cant use Putney Bridge Station stand , it makes sense to put the 14,22 & 220 there. Temporary route from there to Wandsworth. 270 extend to Putney Common , 265 extend to Wandsworth. I would have thought so with maybe the 39,85 and 265 terminating at AF and the 93 and 270 at Putney Common? The 430 maybe running in two sections Roehampton to the south side of the bridge, and perhaps running OOS to Putney Common to turn round, and Putney Bridge Stn to South Ken?
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Post by vjaska on May 17, 2014 10:59:59 GMT
I suppose if the 39,85,93 & 265 cant use Putney Bridge Station stand , it makes sense to put the 14,22 & 220 there. Temporary route from there to Wandsworth. 270 extend to Putney Common , 265 extend to Wandsworth. I would have thought so with maybe the 39,85 and 265 terminating at AF and the 93 and 270 at Putney Common? The 430 maybe running in two sections Roehampton to the south side of the bridge, and perhaps running OOS to Putney Common to turn round, and Putney Bridge Stn to South Ken? Regarding the 430, I think it would be easier to just leave it running between Roehampton & Putney - anyone needing South Kensington can walk to Putney Bridge and get the 74 or the Underground. That way, the surplus 430 buses could be switched and added onto the 22 as I do feel you need at least one Putney route to run end to end but via a diversion - in this case, over Wandsworth Bridge as I stated in my proposals above.
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Post by M1104 on May 17, 2014 11:50:59 GMT
I would have thought so with maybe the 39,85 and 265 terminating at AF and the 93 and 270 at Putney Common? The 430 maybe running in two sections Roehampton to the south side of the bridge, and perhaps running OOS to Putney Common to turn round, and Putney Bridge Stn to South Ken? Regarding the 430, I think it would be easier to just leave it running between Roehampton & Putney - anyone needing South Kensington can walk to Putney Bridge and get the 74 or the Underground. I am guessing in any case that bus tickets will be allowed on the relevant section of the District Line for the duration.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 19:08:14 GMT
I hear there are some interesting developments that will affect routes in the Hammersmith area as a result of this closure. Will have to wait and see when the dates are announced. I couldn't find anything new out as to when and how long the closure will be, but if it coincides with the Hammersmith flyover closures, expect utter chaos in this area. Plus Hammersmith council is now labour and Wandsworth is tory , so I wouldn't expect any agreements to be reached.
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Post by snoggle on May 27, 2014 20:19:02 GMT
I hear there are some interesting developments that will affect routes in the Hammersmith area as a result of this closure. Will have to wait and see when the dates are announced. I couldn't find anything new out as to when and how long the closure will be, but if it coincides with the Hammersmith flyover closures, expect utter chaos in this area. Plus Hammersmith council is now labour and Wandsworth is tory , so I wouldn't expect any agreements to be reached. I don't see what the political make up of the Boroughs has to do with it. H&F were objecting to Wandsworth's proposal when it was run by right wing loony Tories. A newly elected council is actually quite unlikely to engage in lunatic tit for tat moves within weeks of coming into office. They have to work with their neighbours for another 4 years. If you look at the public.londonworks.gov.uk website you can bring up a list or a map of all planned roadworks in London or by Borough. The Putney Bridge closure is clearly shown as starting 14.7.14 and running through to 3 November 2014. The timing does coincide with the ongoing programme of works by TfL at Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 0:45:03 GMT
I believe there may be plans to increase the frequency of the 72 for the duration, which makes sense as i presume Roehampton users may switch to using Hammersmith as their tube link. Whatever happens, AF is going to have operating difficulties. Surely temporary route re-allocations could be arranged ?
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Post by misty on Jun 2, 2014 13:08:43 GMT
Confirmation from Wandsworth council through my letter box today that Putney Bridge will close to all traffic from Monday 14th July and it is hoped to reopen in October. Pedestrians will be allowed to walk over the bridge during this work. Buses will operate a shuttle service from both ends of the bridge
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 14:17:04 GMT
Connected to this, is a plan to double deck the 391, and double the frequency of 72 between Roehampton and Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 15:31:57 GMT
This will be a massive failure in my opinion and cripple a high traffic area but only time will tell
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Post by snoggle on Jun 2, 2014 15:45:13 GMT
This will be a massive failure in my opinion and cripple a high traffic area but only time will tell It'll be bad for a week and then the traffic will adjust - it always does. The lack of school traffic for 6-7 weeks also helps enormously. It will be bad again come September time when the kids are back at school (and possibly different ones) and nearly everyone is back at work. The traffic will then re-adjust again. Provided the weather is not diabolical and they don't find the bridge to be in worse condition than expected then I expect Wandsworth will be putting on a lot of pressure to get the work finished earlier than anticipated. We do need to accept that all the road and rail bridges across the Thames are pretty old and will all need varying levels of attention / intervention to keep them in working order. Some congestion and delay is inevitable but it's better to have the work done in a planned way than wait for an emergency to arise that causes chaos at very short notice. The only aspect that is disappointing is that TfL do not appear ready to provide detailed travel info yet despite Wandsworth Council clearly deciding the information process starts now (their website and twitter feed have extra info).
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