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Post by 6HP502C on Feb 24, 2015 17:13:10 GMT
Just wondering what areas in london you guys think need improving at night. Just to start off, I think epsom should have a night service, seems silly for such a big area not to have one. Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go?
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Post by Nathan on Feb 24, 2015 17:51:27 GMT
Just wondering what areas in london you guys think need improving at night. Just to start off, I think epsom should have a night service, seems silly for such a big area not to have one. Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? How about an express night service from Kingston/Surbiton?
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Post by John tuthill on Feb 24, 2015 18:12:48 GMT
Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? How about an express night service from Kingston/Surbiton? The 281 is 24hours, and the N65 follows the 71.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 24, 2015 18:34:32 GMT
How about an express night service from Kingston/Surbiton? The 281 is 24hours, and the N65 follows the 71. Can anyone explain to me why the N65 can't run Chessington to Ealing rather than the current confusing configuration?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 24, 2015 18:36:53 GMT
75 - restore this as it is useful from the south east to south london at night, while now we have to take it all the way to central london then swap for a 2nd leg ride. I agree with this and I'd go further and extend it to Woolwich via the 54.
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Post by Nathan on Feb 24, 2015 18:52:28 GMT
How about an express night service from Kingston/Surbiton? The 281 is 24hours, and the N65 follows the 71. Both routes you mentioned don't go to Epsom though.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 24, 2015 19:05:43 GMT
Just wondering what areas in london you guys think need improving at night. Just to start off, I think epsom should have a night service, seems silly for such a big area not to have one. Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? I understand Kingston has a reasonable night time economy given the TfL night buses are pretty busy. There is nothing to stop a commercial operator registering a night service from there to Epsom given there are plenty of commercial operators in Surrey and some of them run cross boundary services commercially and some are on tender. The fundamental problem is that a commercial service could not offer Oyster level fares to Epsom nor could it do so to intermediate stops in Greater London (assuming these were served). The fact that no one has ventured to offer a night service, even at weekends, on a commercial basis suggests the operators believe there is not much of a market. The other issue would be taxi / minicab competition but I've no clue about the level of provision of those for night time travel in the Kingston area.
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Post by thesquirrels on Feb 24, 2015 19:26:08 GMT
my opinion: 121 - The Enfield island village people has to either walk or take a taxi, which is quite unfair. 75 - restore this as it is useful from the south east to south london at night, while now we have to take it all the way to central london then swap for a 2nd leg ride. "The Enfield island village people" sounds a bit like a tribute act coming to the bars and clubs of North London/SE herts soon. I agree that the 121 should have a 24 hour service - it gets to almost 22 hours at weekends as it is. Perhaps some resources could be swapped from the N91 when the Piccadilly Line goes 24 hours at weekends as the two routes share a fair bit of common ground. It also restores the old N29 facility down the Southbury Road which was lost when the bendies were introduced (one reason why later 121 journeys were added, tbf) I'd like to see the W7 get an all night service, especially once the 24 hour tube comes in. People would use it.
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Post by maximus23 on Feb 24, 2015 19:45:48 GMT
Just wondering what areas in london you guys think need improving at night. Just to start off, I think epsom should have a night service, seems silly for such a big area not to have one. Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? London buses operate there, why not night buses?
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Post by maximus23 on Feb 24, 2015 19:46:09 GMT
Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? London day buses operate there, why not night buses?
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Post by 6HP502C on Feb 24, 2015 19:53:25 GMT
Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? London buses operate there, why not night buses? Local councils often provide some subsidy for cross border services if it's in their interests to do so.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 24, 2015 20:41:07 GMT
my opinion: 121 - The Enfield island village people has to either walk or take a taxi, which is quite unfair. 75 - restore this as it is useful from the south east to south london at night, while now we have to take it all the way to central london then swap for a 2nd leg ride. "The Enfield island village people" sounds a bit like a tribute act coming to the bars and clubs of North London/SE herts soon. This made me laugh lol.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 24, 2015 20:45:14 GMT
Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? I understand Kingston has a reasonable night time economy given the TfL night buses are pretty busy. There is nothing to stop a commercial operator registering a night service from there to Epsom given there are plenty of commercial operators in Surrey and some of them run cross boundary services commercially and some are on tender. The fundamental problem is that a commercial service could not offer Oyster level fares to Epsom nor could it do so to intermediate stops in Greater London (assuming these were served). The fact that no one has ventured to offer a night service, even at weekends, on a commercial basis suggests the operators believe there is not much of a market. The other issue would be taxi / minicab competition but I've no clue about the level of provision of those for night time travel in the Kingston area. Another thing to consider is that a vast proportion of people who live in the outer boroughs are probably prepared to pay cab fares as a number of them are well to do financially compared to people in inner boroughs who rely far more on public transport.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 21:07:22 GMT
75 - restore this as it is useful from the south east to south london at night, while now we have to take it all the way to central london then swap for a 2nd leg ride. I agree with this and I'd go further and extend it to Woolwich via the 54. Or you can just extend the 54 during night time down to Croydon through it's old route or 289s and creating a night service for Addiscombe and the Elmers End areas maybe also to North Greenwich on the other side but that's a stretch.
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Post by snowman on Feb 24, 2015 21:15:32 GMT
Epsom isn't in London by any measure - perhaps Surrey CC or a local operator might lay on a service if it was worthwhile to operate, but where would it go? I understand Kingston has a reasonable night time economy given the TfL night buses are pretty busy. There is nothing to stop a commercial operator registering a night service from there to Epsom given there are plenty of commercial operators in Surrey and some of them run cross boundary services commercially and some are on tender. The fundamental problem is that a commercial service could not offer Oyster level fares to Epsom nor could it do so to intermediate stops in Greater London (assuming these were served). The fact that no one has ventured to offer a night service, even at weekends, on a commercial basis suggests the operators believe there is not much of a market. The other issue would be taxi / minicab competition but I've no clue about the level of provision of those for night time travel in the Kingston area. As a resident of Kingston, I can advise it depends upon definition of a reasonable night time economy. Part of it is students, so is a lot quieter non-term times, there are those who go clubbing. Not much else happens at night in the area. Yes people go out to resturants and/or eat at pubs, but just as likely to go to ones in the surrounding towns and nearly all the bus routes in the area are based on shopping. Most people therefore choose to drive for their leisure activities. In a way its a fringe area for public transport, used for journeys towards Central London, but not for journeys outwards from London due to low frequencies and vast residential areas with little evening service (and where there is a service tends to only go one direction, not North, South, East or West) Another thing, You only have to visit Kingston or Surbiton station at 06:45 any weekday to realise, many people go to work early here, so staying up late isn't the culture for many. Apart from student haunts and clubs most places are empty before 10pm.
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