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Post by maximus23 on Mar 7, 2015 23:48:36 GMT
Elm Park has a night service (365) but I take your point, it is quite ridiculous that Upminster has no night service. A 24 hour 248 would solve that problem - I'm assuming Romford has a nightlife scene? An N66 I think would serve a better cause. Gives links from Upminster to other areas of london more access at night and more useful than a 24 hour 248. I think extending the route at night from Leytonstone to walthamstow via route w16 and 69 and from Romford to Upminster via route 370. I would also redirect via route 247 from North street to marks gate and then via 62 to Moby manhood and 66 to Leytonstone to provide a night service to marks gate and collier road. Don't think a country park surrounding eastern avenue has much demand for a night service. My proposal for N66: Walthamstow Central Leyton Green Leyton Midland Road Hainault Road Leytonstone Snaresbrook Wanstead Redbridge Gants Hill Newbury Park Little Heath for King George's Hosp Moby manhood and Rose Lane Estate Marks Gate Collier Row North Street Romford Emerson Park Upminster Bridge Upminster
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Post by sam1212 on Mar 23, 2015 21:52:35 GMT
Just wondering what areas in london you guys think need improving at night. Just to start off, I think epsom should have a night service, seems silly for such a big area not to have one. i say get rid of the n64 and make the t33 a 24hr but extend it to new addington after 11 pm, this way forestdale and selsdon vale get a night service
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 22:55:21 GMT
Just wondering what areas in london you guys think need improving at night. Just to start off, I think epsom should have a night service, seems silly for such a big area not to have one. i say get rid of the n64 and make the t33 a 24hr but extend it to new addington after 11 pm, this way forestdale and selsdon vale get a night service I would do that but the locals my get iffy about as they've been known in the past to complain about double decker buses on the T33 and don't think they'll like it anyways it's walking distance the N64 serves the main road anyways why the need to serve the residental areas where everybody just wants to sleep peacefully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 22:57:58 GMT
Elm Park has a night service (365) but I take your point, it is quite ridiculous that Upminster has no night service. A 24 hour 248 would solve that problem - I'm assuming Romford has a nightlife scene?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 7:18:18 GMT
Re night buses i stil dont understand why Dagenham Hornchurch and Upminster do not have any night service.the aim of night buses originaly was to enable workers to get to work when tube wasnt runing but thats never aplied to eastern end of district line There was a night bus from romford to upminster years ago suerly the n15 culd b extended or mayb N148/66 from Stratford / ?Ilford
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2015 17:05:58 GMT
Just wondering what areas in london you guys think need improving at night. Just to start off, I think epsom should have a night service, seems silly for such a big area not to have one. i say get rid of the n64 and make the t33 a 24hr but extend it to new addington after 11 pm, this way forestdale and selsdon vale get a night service And at the same time remove the night service from the Monks Hill area and a night service through Selsdon Vale would have to be single deck to appease residents, not really viable. I do think the N264 could be extended from Croydon to New Addington which would be a bit more cost effective than having an N64.
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2015 17:08:11 GMT
Re night buses i stil dont understand why Dagenham Hornchurch and Upminster do not have any night service.the aim of night buses originaly was to enable workers to get to work when tube wasnt runing but thats never aplied to eastern end of district line There was a night bus from romford to upminster years ago suerly the n15 culd b extended or mayb N148/66 from Stratford / ?Ilford N148?? Wouldn't a 24 hour service on the 174 be viable with the N86 rerouted to Upminster?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 2, 2015 17:17:08 GMT
Re night buses i stil dont understand why Dagenham Hornchurch and Upminster do not have any night service.the aim of night buses originaly was to enable workers to get to work when tube wasnt runing but thats never aplied to eastern end of district line There was a night bus from romford to upminster years ago suerly the n15 culd b extended or mayb N148/66 from Stratford / ?Ilford N148?? Wouldn't a 24 hour service on the 174 be viable with the N86 rerouted to Upminster? I think that an N174 should be routed to Upminster from Harold Hill, and the N86 extended to serve Brentwood
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Post by snoggle on Apr 2, 2015 17:29:05 GMT
Re night buses i stil dont understand why Dagenham Hornchurch and Upminster do not have any night service.the aim of night buses originaly was to enable workers to get to work when tube wasnt runing but thats never aplied to eastern end of district line There was a night bus from romford to upminster years ago suerly the n15 culd b extended or mayb N148/66 from Stratford / ?Ilford N148?? Wouldn't a 24 hour service on the 174 be viable with the N86 rerouted to Upminster? I think the OP is recalling the old route 148 that ran from Leytonstone to Dagenham. It was killed off by LRT in 1993.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 2, 2015 18:25:20 GMT
A 24 hour 248 would solve that problem - I'm assuming Romford has a nightlife scene? An N66 I think would serve a better cause. Gives links from Upminster to other areas of london more access at night and more useful than a 24 hour 248. I think extending the route at night from Leytonstone to walthamstow via route w16 and 69 and from Romford to Upminster via route 370. I would also redirect via route 247 from North street to marks gate and then via 62 to Moby Richard and 66 to Leytonstone to provide a night service to marks gate and collier road. Don't think a country park surrounding eastern avenue has much demand for a night service. My proposal for N66: Walthamstow Central Leyton Green Leyton Midland Road Hainault Road Leytonstone Snaresbrook Wanstead Redbridge Gants Hill Newbury Park Little Heath for King George's Hosp Moby Richard and Rose Lane Estate Marks Gate Collier Row North Street Romford Emerson Park Upminster Bridge Upminster Im 50:50 with this route idea of yours. By sending the route via the W16 along Hainault Road you've limited the route to being Single Decker as there is a low bridge on Hainault Road. With the 24-hour Tube coming on weekends, I dont think another night bus is needed between Gants Hill and Leytonstone. Personally Id leave the Leytonstone to Walthamstow leg for a 24-Hour W15 (Homerton - Higham Hill) On the other end, the route should terminate at Collier Row because the Romford to Collier Row section is covered sufficiently by the 365.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 19:39:36 GMT
Stil no1 has come up with reason why there is no nite s3rvice between Romford/Dagenham/Upminster
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 19:40:37 GMT
Stil no1 has come up with reason why there is no nite s3rvice between Romford/Dagenham/Upminster Lack of funds? lack of demand?
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Post by snoggle on Apr 2, 2015 21:59:31 GMT
Stil no1 has come up with reason why there is no nite s3rvice between Romford/Dagenham/Upminster Why should enthusiasts be able to come up with a definitive answer for you? If you want an official explanation then ask TfL. All people can do here is speculate and probably be wrong. The most obvious answers are "no money" and "no demand" as already said in the previous post. The nearest we have to a local Romford night bus is the N365. It carries around 50,000 pass jnys a year. Taking a straight average over 364 days of operation you have 137 pax per night. There are 18 departures (both directions) and this gives about 7-8 people per departure. Even accepting that London's buses are subsidised that's not a very good average. I accept that is a very rough and ready calculation but it gives a feel for things. The other route in the area is the N128. Clearly that also runs NW of Ilford so not all the patronage is on the Becontree - Romford corridor but it carries far more people with 350 jnys per night giving an average of 19 people per departure. That number is above the network average loading of 17 people so probably passes muster. The N128 has also seen continued growth over several years whereas the N365 has plateaued and not seen any increase in 3 years. I can perhaps understand TfL's reticence at the moment but the night tube offers the prospect of the 145 possibly running at weekends which would serve Central Line stops. It'll be a long while before the District Line sees a night tube service because of the delays to the signalling project. We must wait to see if there will be a night Crossrail service - that might be the spur to more night buses in the Ilford - Romford - Harold Wood corridor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 23:31:10 GMT
Dagenham especily is very populated area last tube gets to heathway from west end about 1 30 im sure there pax from romford which has a growing nite life i just dont understand why there has nvr bn a nite service say N174. Anyway mayb 1 day( or nite).
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Post by sid on Apr 3, 2015 8:21:33 GMT
Stil no1 has come up with reason why there is no nite s3rvice between Romford/Dagenham/Upminster Why should enthusiasts be able to come up with a definitive answer for you? If you want an official explanation then ask TfL. All people can do here is speculate and probably be wrong. The most obvious answers are "no money" and "no demand" as already said in the previous post. The nearest we have to a local Romford night bus is the N365. It carries around 50,000 pass jnys a year. Taking a straight average over 364 days of operation you have 137 pax per night. There are 18 departures (both directions) and this gives about 7-8 people per departure. Even accepting that London's buses are subsidised that's not a very good average. I accept that is a very rough and ready calculation but it gives a feel for things. The other route in the area is the N128. Clearly that also runs NW of Ilford so not all the patronage is on the Becontree - Romford corridor but it carries far more people with 350 jnys per night giving an average of 19 people per departure. That number is above the network average loading of 17 people so probably passes muster. The N128 has also seen continued growth over several years whereas the N365 has plateaued and not seen any increase in 3 years. I can perhaps understand TfL's reticence at the moment but the night tube offers the prospect of the 145 possibly running at weekends which would serve Central Line stops. It'll be a long while before the District Line sees a night tube service because of the delays to the signalling project. We must wait to see if there will be a night Crossrail service - that might be the spur to more night buses in the Ilford - Romford - Harold Wood corridor. Maybe the N365 should be reduced to hourly? I'm sure at least an hourly service between Romford and Upminster could be justified.
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