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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 10:35:59 GMT
I think Watford shuld have nite service mayb 142 from Edgware or 258 from Harrow this would cover LOROL and Met rail services. Also mayb 282 culd run nite swrvice from Ealing Bdwy to Northwood covering Eastcote and Pinner. Any1 agree?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 21:16:33 GMT
I would love to see my local area of Watford to receive a night service, possibly making the 142 a 24 hour service or even extending the N18 route to Watford Junction via the current 258 route. Would be very useful as the last train from London Euston is the 01:34. It often leaves people stranded at Euston.
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Post by thesquirrels on Apr 8, 2015 22:29:16 GMT
I would love to see my local area of Watford to receive a night service, possibly making the 142 a 24 hour service or even extending the N18 route to Watford Junction via the current 258 route. Would be very useful as the last train from London Euston is the 01:34. It often leaves people stranded at Euston. As last train times out of Central London go 01:34 is pretty generous. Compare with similar towns e.g. Epsom, Staines, Cheshunt/Broxbourne, where last trains are around midnight, and Dartford's is around half 12 out of Cannon Street. This is going to sound uncharitable but Watford is (for the main part) one of those areas where most folks going 'into London' for a night out can suck up the cost of a cab if they miss that last train from Euston (at least from Harrow/Edgware/Stanmore). Vice versa the bright lights of Watford to areas like Bushey and Harrow. It would be 'nice' though. I'd opt for a late 80s N59-style incarnation, basically the 113 to Edgware then 142. Wouldn't take much more than an hour from Central on a weeknight, that would make for the quickest link between the two. Tbf I don't think the N60 took much longer and that shadowed the N18/258.
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Post by rmz19 on Apr 8, 2015 23:34:50 GMT
I would love to see my local area of Watford to receive a night service, possibly making the 142 a 24 hour service or even extending the N18 route to Watford Junction via the current 258 route. Would be very useful as the last train from London Euston is the 01:34. It often leaves people stranded at Euston. As last train times out of Central London go 01:34 is pretty generous. Compare with similar towns e.g. Epsom, Staines, Cheshunt/Broxbourne, where last trains are around midnight, and Dartford's is around half 12 out of Cannon Street. This is going to sound uncharitable but Watford is (for the main part) one of those areas where most folks going 'into London' for a night out can suck up the cost of a cab if they miss that last train from Euston (at least from Harrow/Edgware/Stanmore). Vice versa the bright lights of Watford to areas like Bushey and Harrow. It would be 'nice' though. I'd opt for a late 80s N59-style incarnation, basically the 113 to Edgware then 142. Wouldn't take much more than an hour from Central on a weeknight, that would make for the quickest link between the two. Tbf I don't think the N60 took much longer and that shadowed the N18/258. Your suggestion for an 'N59-style' route would just mirror the whole of the N113. How about extending the N113 or the N5 from Edgware to Watford Junction via the 142. Alternatively convert the 142 to 24 Hour operation. The N113 would be slightly longer than the N5 at just under 21 miles (N89 current longest night bus route at 21 miles), but it would have a shorter running time than the N5 as it runs along the A41. The N18 option might make the route too long in running time despite being under 21 miles long, so I think it's best left as it is. I think the N113 would be the best option for a direct link between Central London and Watford, if not possible for whatever reason then a 24 hour 142.
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Post by TEH1111 on Apr 8, 2015 23:44:18 GMT
As last train times out of Central London go 01:34 is pretty generous. Compare with similar towns e.g. Epsom, Staines, Cheshunt/Broxbourne, where last trains are around midnight, and Dartford's is around half 12 out of Cannon Street. This is going to sound uncharitable but Watford is (for the main part) one of those areas where most folks going 'into London' for a night out can suck up the cost of a cab if they miss that last train from Euston (at least from Harrow/Edgware/Stanmore). Vice versa the bright lights of Watford to areas like Bushey and Harrow. It would be 'nice' though. I'd opt for a late 80s N59-style incarnation, basically the 113 to Edgware then 142. Wouldn't take much more than an hour from Central on a weeknight, that would make for the quickest link between the two. Tbf I don't think the N60 took much longer and that shadowed the N18/258. Your suggestion for an 'N59-style' route would just mirror the whole of the N113. How about extending the N113 or the N5 from Edgware to Watford Junction via the 142. Alternatively convert the 142 to 24 Hour operation. The N113 would be slightly longer than the N5 at just under 21 miles (N89 current longest night bus route at 21 miles), but it would have a shorter running time than the N5 as it runs along the A41. The N18 option might make the route too long in running time despite being under 21 miles long, so I think it's best left as it is. I think the N113 would be the best option for a direct link between Central London and Watford, if not possible for whatever reason then a 24 hour 142. What about the N16 which runs parallel with the 142 from edgware to staples corner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 0:35:00 GMT
I would love to see my local area of Watford to receive a night service, possibly making the 142 a 24 hour service or even extending the N18 route to Watford Junction via the current 258 route. Would be very useful as the last train from London Euston is the 01:34. It often leaves people stranded at Euston. ] To be honest, the 01:34 service is very generous, I use it all the time and on Saturdays its 02:00 and the next Train after that is minutes after 04:00. They also make the trains leave slightly later than the scheduled departure time, the 01:34 never departs at 01:34, often its actually 38 past. I would say both the 142 and 258 should have night elements added to them, especially as the 340 is being looked at.
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Post by rmz19 on Apr 9, 2015 1:37:58 GMT
Your suggestion for an 'N59-style' route would just mirror the whole of the N113. How about extending the N113 or the N5 from Edgware to Watford Junction via the 142. Alternatively convert the 142 to 24 Hour operation. The N113 would be slightly longer than the N5 at just under 21 miles (N89 current longest night bus route at 21 miles), but it would have a shorter running time than the N5 as it runs along the A41. The N18 option might make the route too long in running time despite being under 21 miles long, so I think it's best left as it is. I think the N113 would be the best option for a direct link between Central London and Watford, if not possible for whatever reason then a 24 hour 142. What about the N16 which runs parallel with the 142 from edgware to staples corner. I also thought about the N16 as an alternative, it could be a candidate but personally the N113 is the better option as it's quicker and goes right into Central London. Even if the N16 is rerouted to Trafalgar Square, the extra time added to its route combined with the long Marble Arch - Edgware Corridor would make it take forever to get to Watford.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 10:30:41 GMT
Watford shuld have nite service mayb Slough 2 tho thats problematic due to vandalism . Lots of areas dont have nite service iv mentioned befor eastern end of district line eg and places like pinner ruislip potters bar sunbury chertsey etc. Mayb tfl culd come up wth ideas
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 15:09:23 GMT
I should have made myself clearer regarding the N18 route. I think it should run north of Harrow Weald to Watford via Bushey. The 113 should be converted into 24 hour service, which will cease operations of the N113 . I also think the 340 should be a 24 hour service linking Edgware and Harrow.
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Post by thesquirrels on Apr 9, 2015 18:47:41 GMT
Places like Crayford, Dartford and Bluewater could do with a night service and route 96 would be the best candidate. Not only would it provide a link for people from the Dartford area to Central London via N21 or N89 (Bexleyheath) but it would also provide a night service for Upper Wickham Lane. Also a night service would be provided between Woolwich and Bexleyheath. Bluewater? I can understand running first to last bus through to the pit for the late cinema screenings* / antisocial hours non-retail jobs necessary to keep the centre going but is there really a demand in the very small hours? * actually, checking online, last screenings of some films on Friday/Saturday night aren't until half past 12 so they would be tipping people out as late as 2:30am. So maybe there is a demand, at least at weekends..? Anyway, I do ask sincerely, the latest I've ever been there is about 9pm and the 96 I left on was carrying a dozen or so, which is by no means terrible.
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Post by 700101 on Apr 9, 2015 21:48:43 GMT
Places like Crayford, Dartford and Bluewater could do with a night service and route 96 would be the best candidate. Not only would it provide a link for people from the Dartford area to Central London via N21 or N89 (Bexleyheath) but it would also provide a night service for Upper Wickham Lane. Also a night service would be provided between Woolwich and Bexleyheath. Maybe a N96 from North Greenwich to Darent Valley Hospital via Queens Elizabeth Hospital, Woolwich then route 96 to Dartford then to Darent Valley Hospital. This would give Both Hospital a night bus service and for Crayford and Dartford.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 9, 2015 22:38:58 GMT
Places like Crayford, Dartford and Bluewater could do with a night service and route 96 would be the best candidate. Not only would it provide a link for people from the Dartford area to Central London via N21 or N89 (Bexleyheath) but it would also provide a night service for Upper Wickham Lane. Also a night service would be provided between Woolwich and Bexleyheath. Maybe a N96 from North Greenwich to Darent Valley Hospital via Queens Elizabeth Hospital, Woolwich then route 96 to Dartford then to Darent Valley Hospital. This would give Both Hospital a night bus service and for Crayford and Dartford. With the exception of the odd emergency admission there is no reason for anyone to travel to a hospital in the middle of the night. Yes you need early morning and late evening buses for staff on early / late shifts and possibly for patients travelling to have a day operation which is scheduled fairly early in the day (I've done this at Homerton Hospital). It is also worth saying that Death Valley Hospital is very unlikely to be served by the 96 because of the resource cost and revenue abstraction issues for Arriva Kent Thameside commercial services. I know many people in SE London have to access the hospital but this is one of those regulated / deregulated boundary issues that are rarely satifactory. There are similar issues near the Surrey border where TfL have frequent demands for extra links across the boundary to serve NHS facilities (obviously Epsom General does have some TfL buses reaching it but other locations are listed - TfL are apparently looking at extending the 470 to Epsom GH to give a direct link from Sutton). There have been requests for the 467 to run to Epsom General Hospital and for a completely new service from Feltham to St Peters Hosp in Chertsey. The Mayor has said neither service can be justified. Ditto requests for the 382 to do a loop via Finchley Community Hospital despite it being relatively easy to do (easier than the loop the W12 does via Whipps Cross Hospital).
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Post by Connor on Apr 9, 2015 23:47:28 GMT
Places like Crayford, Dartford and Bluewater could do with a night service and route 96 would be the best candidate. Not only would it provide a link for people from the Dartford area to Central London via N21 or N89 (Bexleyheath) but it would also provide a night service for Upper Wickham Lane. Also a night service would be provided between Woolwich and Bexleyheath. I see very little demand along Upper Wickham Lane and to/from Bluewater. I think a better idea would be an N472 North Greenwich to Dartford. Via the 472 to Thamesmead, then the 229 to Erith, then the 99 to Bexleyheath, then the 96 to Dartford, Market Street. Then cut the N89 back to Bexleyheath. +an N140 Heathrow to Mill Hill Broadway, via the 140 to Harrow then the 186 to Edgware, then the 221 to MHB. For Watford Junction, I think extending the N16 from Edgware via the 142 would be the best of the options.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2015 1:07:56 GMT
Places like Crayford, Dartford and Bluewater could do with a night service and route 96 would be the best candidate. Not only would it provide a link for people from the Dartford area to Central London via N21 or N89 (Bexleyheath) but it would also provide a night service for Upper Wickham Lane. Also a night service would be provided between Woolwich and Bexleyheath. I see very little demand along Upper Wickham Lane and to/from Bluewater. I think a better idea would be an N472 North Greenwich to Dartford. Via the 472 to Thamesmead, then the 229 to Erith, then the 99 to Bexleyheath, then the 96 to Dartford, Market Street. Then cut the N89 back to Bexleyheath. +an N140 Heathrow to Mill Hill Broadway, via the 140 to Harrow then the 186 to Edgware, then the 221 to MHB. For Watford Junction, I think extending the N16 from Edgware via the 142 would be the best of the options. I agree with an N140 route being introduced but between Heathrow & Edgware via the 140 & 340 routes. For Watford, a simple 24 hour conversion of the 142 should suffice - residents up in Watford are likely to order taxis or even drive to inner & Central London so I'd personally wouldn't extend any existing night service up there.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2015 1:10:01 GMT
Places like Crayford, Dartford and Bluewater could do with a night service and route 96 would be the best candidate. Not only would it provide a link for people from the Dartford area to Central London via N21 or N89 (Bexleyheath) but it would also provide a night service for Upper Wickham Lane. Also a night service would be provided between Woolwich and Bexleyheath. Bluewater? I can understand running first to last bus through to the pit for the late cinema screenings* / antisocial hours non-retail jobs necessary to keep the centre going but is there really a demand in the very small hours? * actually, checking online, last screenings of some films on Friday/Saturday night aren't until half past 12 so they would be tipping people out as late as 2:30am. So maybe there is a demand, at least at weekends..? Anyway, I do ask sincerely, the latest I've ever been there is about 9pm and the 96 I left on was carrying a dozen or so, which is by no means terrible. Hmm, maybe an N96 from North Greenwich to Dartford during the week with a Friday/Saturday extension to Bluewater or just go for a 24 hour 96 on Friday & Saturdays?
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