Future route changes... your predictions

[vjaska]

Oct 1, 2018 18:54:28 GMT ADH45258 said:

Some suggestions for changes around Hammersmith, partly in response to Crossrail changes or in anticipation of Hammersmith Bridge works. To make some cuts, while simplifying the network in the area.

33 / 295 / 391 / 419 / 430 – Withdrawn.

72 – Converted to DD operation.

74 – Extended from Putney to Roehampton via route 430.

190 – Extended from West Brompton to South Kensington via route 430.

209 – Extended from Hammersmith to Ladbroke Grove via route 295. Extended from Mortlake to Richmond via route 419. Converted to DD operation.

228 – Withdrawn between Maida Hill and Shepherd’s Bush, and instead extended from Shepherd’s Bush to Hammersmith via route 283.

306 – Introduced with the following changes. Extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 266. Extended from Sands End to Clapham Junction via Townmead Road, then route 295.

337 - Increased frequency.

72 - I imagine it will run via Chiswick Bridge as I can't see Hammersmith Bridge being sorted anytime in the near future

74 - I'd leave as it is particularly as the 430 is useful in aiding assistance and allows the 74 to prove a more reliable service between Putney High Street & Baker Street

190 - No change though I'd investigate how useful double deckers would be personally

209 - Again, Hammersmith Bridge won't be ready anytime soon plus the 209's frequency would be excessive over the 419 section even before converting it to single deckers

306 - I don't think it needs to go any further than Sands End especially as the C3 already performs this role whilst the 295 links up Fulham Broadway & Hammersmith already but otherwise, I agree with this one

337 - I'd leave it's frequency as it is as it's satisfactory

As a result, 4 of the 5 routes you listed for withdrawal should personally stay with the 391 the only one that could be properly worked around

[sid]

Oct 1, 2018 18:54:28 GMT ADH45258 said:

Some suggestions for changes around Hammersmith, partly in response to Crossrail changes or in anticipation of Hammersmith Bridge works. To make some cuts, while simplifying the network in the area.

9 - Extended from Hammersmith to Chiswick Business Park via existing 27. If LTs can not be accommodated, the 9 could use the 440's stand at Gunnersbury, or terminate at Turnham Green. To retain links towards Kensington.

27 - Cut back to Hammersmith Bus Station. Extended from Camden Town to Parliament Hill Fields via the C2. An alternative to the 88, which could become too long to stay reliable. Hopper fare available for any broken links.

88 - To continue operating between Camden Town and Clapham Common. Diverted via Albany Street.

23 - Diverted between The Design Museum and Hammersmith, via Earl's Court Road, West Cromwell Road and Talgarth Road. To better serve the area around Barons Court. Route 9 would continue links towards Hyde Park Corner.

33 / 295 / 391 / 419 / 430 – Withdrawn.

72 – Converted to DD operation.

74 – Extended from Putney to Roehampton via route 430.

190 – Extended from West Brompton to South Kensington via route 430.

209 – Extended from Hammersmith to Ladbroke Grove via route 295. Extended from Mortlake to Richmond via route 419. Converted to DD operation.

218 – Not introduced

228 – Withdrawn between Maida Hill and Shepherd’s Bush, and instead extended from Shepherd’s Bush to Hammersmith via route 283.

266 – Cut back to Acton High Street as planned.

306 – Introduced with the following changes. Extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 266. Extended from Sands End to Clapham Junction via Townmead Road, then route 295.

316 – Diverted between Shepherd’s Bush and Ladbroke Grove via route 228.

337 - Increased frequency.

485 – Diverted between Barnes and Hammersmith via route 419. Increased in frequency.

H22 – Extended from Manor Circus to Turnham Green or Chiswick Park via route 391.

H91 – Re-routed between Hammersmith and Gunnersbury, via Great West Road, Ellesmere Road, Cedars Road and Great West Road. To serve unserved areas around Hammersmith and Chiswick.

R68 – Diverted in the Strawberry Hill area between Cross Deep and Twickenham Road, via Waldegrave Road and Waldegrave Park.

I'd agree with most of this, interesting idea for the 23 and it does seem a bit odd that Barons Court is so poorly served. I'd rather keep the 266 as it is, I know it's a long route by todays standards but it seems very well run.

[ADH45258]

Oct 1, 2018 21:55:27 GMT vjaska said:

Oct 1, 2018 18:54:28 GMT ADH45258 said:

Some suggestions for changes around Hammersmith, partly in response to Crossrail changes or in anticipation of Hammersmith Bridge works. To make some cuts, while simplifying the network in the area.

33 / 295 / 391 / 419 / 430 – Withdrawn.

72 – Converted to DD operation.

74 – Extended from Putney to Roehampton via route 430.

190 – Extended from West Brompton to South Kensington via route 430.

209 – Extended from Hammersmith to Ladbroke Grove via route 295. Extended from Mortlake to Richmond via route 419. Converted to DD operation.

228 – Withdrawn between Maida Hill and Shepherd’s Bush, and instead extended from Shepherd’s Bush to Hammersmith via route 283.

306 – Introduced with the following changes. Extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 266. Extended from Sands End to Clapham Junction via Townmead Road, then route 295.

337 - Increased frequency.

72 - I imagine it will run via Chiswick Bridge as I can't see Hammersmith Bridge being sorted anytime in the near future

74 - I'd leave as it is particularly as the 430 is useful in aiding assistance and allows the 74 to prove a more reliable service between Putney High Street & Baker Street

190 - No change though I'd investigate how useful double deckers would be personally

209 - Again, Hammersmith Bridge won't be ready anytime soon plus the 209's frequency would be excessive over the 419 section even before converting it to single deckers

306 - I don't think it needs to go any further than Sands End especially as the C3 already performs this role whilst the 295 links up Fulham Broadway & Hammersmith already but otherwise, I agree with this one

337 - I'd leave it's frequency as it is as it's satisfactory

As a result, 4 of the 5 routes you listed for withdrawal should personally stay with the 391 the only one that could be properly worked around

The 306 extension to Clapham Junction would be replacing this section of the 295. As the 211 and 391/306 already duplicate most links on the 295 south of Hammersmith.

The 337 frequency increase would only be to compensate for the 33 withdrawal. The section of the 33 west of Richmond already has excess capacity, while a DD conversion of the 72 (if/when possible) would cover capacity between Barnes and Hammersmith.

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180 - extended from Erith to Crayford
428 - Withdrawn

[southlondonbus]

Excessive capacity west of Richmond on the 33 will probably feature in the Richmond consultation. Maybe replacing one of the routes to Twickenham from Richmond.

[cc2005]

The 10/23 proposals have been mentioned quite a lot on here, but is there any official word from TfL?

It seems not to be addressed in the latest Central London consultation unless I've missed something?

[SILENCED]

Oct 2, 2018 9:50:22 GMT cc2005 said:

The 10/23 proposals have been mentioned quite a lot on here, but is there any official word from TfL?

It seems not to be addressed in the latest Central London consultation unless I've missed something?

It was part of the Oxford Street consultation.

[vjaska]

Oct 2, 2018 5:59:15 GMT ADH45258 said:

Oct 1, 2018 21:55:27 GMT vjaska said:

72 - I imagine it will run via Chiswick Bridge as I can't see Hammersmith Bridge being sorted anytime in the near future

74 - I'd leave as it is particularly as the 430 is useful in aiding assistance and allows the 74 to prove a more reliable service between Putney High Street & Baker Street

190 - No change though I'd investigate how useful double deckers would be personally

209 - Again, Hammersmith Bridge won't be ready anytime soon plus the 209's frequency would be excessive over the 419 section even before converting it to single deckers

306 - I don't think it needs to go any further than Sands End especially as the C3 already performs this role whilst the 295 links up Fulham Broadway & Hammersmith already but otherwise, I agree with this one

337 - I'd leave it's frequency as it is as it's satisfactory

As a result, 4 of the 5 routes you listed for withdrawal should personally stay with the 391 the only one that could be properly worked around

The 306 extension to Clapham Junction would be replacing this section of the 295. As the 211 and 391/306 already duplicate most links on the 295 south of Hammersmith.

The 337 frequency increase would only be to compensate for the 33 withdrawal. The section of the 33 west of Richmond already has excess capacity, while a DD conversion of the 72 (if/when possible) would cover capacity between Barnes and Hammersmith.

I'm aware what the 306 is replacing but I don't see it as necessary - the 306 replaces the 391 only not the 295 as your leaving Wandsworth Bridge Road with just one route & no link to Clapham Junction otherwise.

Can I ask how you know the 33 west of Richmond has excessive capacity? Besides, the 33 provides links from Upper Richmond Road to Barnes & Hammersmith.

[sid]

Oct 2, 2018 9:50:22 GMT cc2005 said:

The 10/23 proposals have been mentioned quite a lot on here, but is there any official word from TfL?

It seems not to be addressed in the latest Central London consultation unless I've missed something?

Starts on November 24th.

[cc2005]

Oct 2, 2018 10:24:04 GMT sid said:

Oct 2, 2018 9:50:22 GMT cc2005 said:

The 10/23 proposals have been mentioned quite a lot on here, but is there any official word from TfL?

It seems not to be addressed in the latest Central London consultation unless I've missed something?

Starts on November 24th.

Is this still confirmed given that Oxford Street pedestrianisation isn't going ahead and Crossrail isn't opening on time as planned?

[COBO]

Oct 2, 2018 11:26:39 GMT cc2005 said:

Oct 2, 2018 10:24:04 GMT sid said:

Starts on November 24th.

Is this still confirmed given that Oxford Street pedestrianisation isn't going ahead and Crossrail isn't opening on time as planned?

Yes and it has been confirmed by TfL despite the Oxford Street pedestrianisation not going ahead.

link

[cc2005]

Oct 2, 2018 7:21:45 GMT southlondonbus said:

Excessive capacity west of Richmond on the 33 will probably feature in the Richmond consultation. Maybe replacing one of the routes to Twickenham from Richmond.

Withdrawing the 33 does however leave the Strawberry Hill area with no bus service...i.e. nothing between Twickenham and Teddington. The R68 routing is not close to where the 33 runs in this area..

[COBO]

The 228 and 487 merged together to reduce amount of buses between Park Royal and Harlesden.

[ADH45258]

Oct 2, 2018 13:08:58 GMT cc2005 said:

Oct 2, 2018 7:21:45 GMT southlondonbus said:

Excessive capacity west of Richmond on the 33 will probably feature in the Richmond consultation. Maybe replacing one of the routes to Twickenham from Richmond.

Withdrawing the 33 does however leave the Strawberry Hill area with no bus service...i.e. nothing between Twickenham and Teddington. The R68 routing is not close to where the 33 runs in this area..

Diverting in the R68 would be to serve areas between the existing 33 and R68

[DT 11]

Oct 2, 2018 6:11:28 GMT @mhv85 said:

180 - extended from Erith to Crayford
428 - Withdrawn

Not possible when it will be going to Erith Quarry. Plus the route would be too long.