Route 311

[MetrolineGA1511]

Oct 28, 2018 16:35:19 GMT danorak said:

I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud.

The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW.

All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic.

If that happens, people in the consultation will probably say that the Chelsea area will not be the same without route 11, a bit like Finchley Road and route 13.  This would lead to route 11 diverted to Oxford Circus and the Victoria - Liverpool Street given the number 311 instead. 

[Eastlondoner62]

Oct 28, 2018 7:38:23 GMT ADH45258 said:

Oct 27, 2018 22:34:18 GMT Eastlondoner62 said:

But the C2 is coming to the end of its contract, therefore Abellio won't need to be compensated as they should be prepared for the end of the contract. 

I think the 311 will end up being a Go Ahead route as it can just be added on as a variation of the 11 contract, and as has been mentioned earlier there's probably no time to run it through the tender process.

It has been suggested that the central London changes would take place early 2019, while the existing C2 contract does not expire until September 2019. So the 311 could possibly take over the C2 contract for a short while, with the 311 simply then put out to tender instead.

The C2 runs out in April, not September so fits in with the plan to chop it around then.

[southlondonbus]

People like old routes tbh like with the 13. I think Battersea will mourn the 19 after decades long of association.

[ADH45258]

Oct 28, 2018 19:33:51 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

Oct 28, 2018 16:35:19 GMT danorak said:

I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud.

The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW.

All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic.

If that happens, people in the consultation will probably say that the Chelsea area will not be the same without route 11, a bit like Finchley Road and route 13.  This would lead to route 11 diverted to Oxford Circus and the Victoria - Liverpool Street given the number 311 instead. 

I think the 11 number is more associated with tourist attractions and landmarks in central London.

[MetrolineGA1511]

Oct 28, 2018 20:10:55 GMT ADH45258 said:

Oct 28, 2018 19:33:51 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

If that happens, people in the consultation will probably say that the Chelsea area will not be the same without route 11, a bit like Finchley Road and route 13.  This would lead to route 11 diverted to Oxford Circus and the Victoria - Liverpool Street given the number 311 instead. 

I think the 11 number is more associated with tourist attractions and landmarks in central London.

Liverpool Street is not much of a tourist attraction but the Tower is.  So, maybe route 11 could be diverted to Blackwall and replace route 15. 

[ADH45258]

Oct 28, 2018 20:12:48 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

Oct 28, 2018 20:10:55 GMT ADH45258 said:

I think the 11 number is more associated with tourist attractions and landmarks in central London.

Liverpool Street is not much of a tourist attraction but the Tower is.  So, maybe route 11 could be diverted to Blackwall and replace route 15. 

Or rather extend the 15 to Victoria. The 15 is equally a well known tourist route within central London.

[sid]

Oct 28, 2018 20:00:24 GMT southlondonbus said:

People like old routes tbh like with the 13. I think Battersea will mourn the 19 after decades long of association.

Did Tooting Bec mourn the 19 after decades long of association? Not as far as I'm aware. I really don't think most people care two hoots.

[southlondonbus]

True. Tooting Bec was a brave soul. Plus they lost the 49 and 88 and are still standing lol

[MetrolineGA1511]

Oct 28, 2018 20:22:24 GMT southlondonbus said:

True. Tooting Bec was a brave soul. Plus they lost the 49 and 88 and are still standing lol

TPTB must have concluded that nobody from there wants to travel to Shepherd's Bush. 

Mind you, I have not always wanted to go to Shepherd's Bush either as I traditionally found it a naff garage compared to V and X for example.

[southlondonbus]

I'd forgotten both routes reached Shepherds Bush. And 1991 one aswell you couldn't get there from Tooting Broadway with the loss of the 220.

[vjaska]

Oct 28, 2018 20:30:22 GMT southlondonbus said:

I'd forgotten both routes reached Shepherds Bush. And 1991 one aswell you couldn't get there from Tooting Broadway with the loss of the 220.

I suspect they were far happier that there services became more reliable as a result.

[sid]

Oct 28, 2018 20:30:22 GMT southlondonbus said:

I'd forgotten both routes reached Shepherds Bush. And 1991 one aswell you couldn't get there from Tooting Broadway with the loss of the 220.

I think carving up both the 49 and 220 in the Wandsworth scheme of 1991 were retrograde changes, both were useful links between south and west London.

[MetrolineGA1511]

Oct 28, 2018 20:56:28 GMT sid said:

Oct 28, 2018 20:30:22 GMT southlondonbus said:

I'd forgotten both routes reached Shepherds Bush. And 1991 one aswell you couldn't get there from Tooting Broadway with the loss of the 220.

I think carving up both the 49 and 220 in the Wandsworth scheme of 1991 were retrograde changes, both were useful links between south and west London.

One change that was part reversed less than 18 months later was route 30 withdrawn from Marble Arch & Putney but diverted to Trafalgar Square.  It was diverted back to Marble Arch and has continued there all 26 years since then.

[southlondonbus]

I think some of the 1991 changes were needee by then really particulary the 49 and 220 which I'm sure were becoming unreliable. Same with the 37/337. Not so sure the 44 needed cutting from London Bridge and the 170 from CJ to Vauxhall tbh as both became quite short.

[sid]

Oct 28, 2018 21:02:43 GMT southlondonbus said:

I think some of the 1991 changes were needee by then really particulary the 49 and 220 which I'm sure were becoming unreliable. Same with the 37/337. Not so sure the 44 needed cutting from London Bridge and the 170 from CJ to Vauxhall tbh as both became quite short.

I think this reliability claim is all a bit of a myth quite honestly. The old 37 run in sections anyway so there was no significant change. I suspect if it weren't for the low bridge at Isleworth the 337 would have gone to Hounslow and there wouldn't have been an H37.