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Post by rhys on Jan 14, 2019 20:44:50 GMT
It has been reported elsewhere that LTs cannot do the proposed turn at Berkeley Square along this new route so conventional hybrids will likely be used. With Go-Ahead also likely to be the operator of this route, I wonder if the 176 will have more LTs than originally intended with the 88 swap. I'm sure news of what's going with this route will be revealed soon. I'm a bit surprised as when the 3 was terminating at Conduit Street, I remember there was a diversion at the start of the route, at one point, that routed it via Berkeley Square |
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Jan 14, 2019 20:54:39 GMT
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 14, 2019 20:54:39 GMT
It has been reported elsewhere that LTs cannot do the proposed turn at Berkeley Square along this new route so conventional hybrids will likely be used. With Go-Ahead also likely to be the operator of this route, I wonder if the 176 will have more LTs than originally intended with the 88 swap. I'm sure news of what's going with this route will be revealed soon. With the number of spare LTs in London, plus more from the central London changes, I would expect the 176 to fully convert to LTs. Then its EHs would likely move to SW for the 311 and to top up the 88, with the 176's WHVs/MHVs going elsewhere. from what i have seen is that the 87's are becoming fully nbfl and 176's partially allocated nbfl both from route 88. 88's will gain eh's from both buses. if the 176 was to fully become nbfl. could the WHV's & MHV's possible not be transfered to RR for the school routes or BX to replace the wvl's same with MG, NX. For the 311 could they not be MHV's or WHV's from the 176 or share E's from 118 or share WVL's from 432 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:58:54 GMT
With the number of spare LTs in London, plus more from the central London changes, I would expect the 176 to fully convert to LTs. Then its EHs would likely move to SW for the 311 and to top up the 88, with the 176's WHVs/MHVs going elsewhere. from what i have seen is that the 87's are becoming fully nbfl and 176's partially allocated nbfl both from route 88. 88's will gain eh's from both buses. if the 176 was to fully become nbfl. could the WHV's & MHV's possible not be transfered to RR for the school routes or BX to replace the wvl's same with MG, NX. For the 311 could they not be MHV's or WHV's from the 176 or share E's from 118 or share WVL's from 432 Think the WHVs / MHVs would be a waste on school routes - if they went to RR I would rather them used to fully convert the 5 to hybrid or another RR route. |
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Post by busaholic on Jan 14, 2019 21:24:15 GMT
It has been reported elsewhere that LTs cannot do the proposed turn at Berkeley Square along this new route so conventional hybrids will likely be used. With Go-Ahead also likely to be the operator of this route, I wonder if the 176 will have more LTs than originally intended with the 88 swap. I'm sure news of what's going with this route will be revealed soon. I'm a bit surprised as when the 3 was terminating at Conduit Street, I remember there was a diversion at the start of the route, at one point, that routed it via Berkeley Square I've not been on the routeing since C2 days, but I would have thought the difficulty probably occurs between Green Park and Berkeley Square. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 14, 2019 21:25:04 GMT
With the number of spare LTs in London, plus more from the central London changes, I would expect the 176 to fully convert to LTs. Then its EHs would likely move to SW for the 311 and to top up the 88, with the 176's WHVs/MHVs going elsewhere. from what i have seen is that the 87's are becoming fully nbfl and 176's partially allocated nbfl both from route 88. 88's will gain eh's from both buses. if the 176 was to fully become nbfl. could the WHV's & MHV's possible not be transfered to RR for the school routes or BX to replace the wvl's same with MG, NX. For the 311 could they not be MHV's or WHV's from the 176 or share E's from 118 or share WVL's from 432 The only reason the 176 would go fully LT is to give it's buses to another route like the 311 so why would they transfer them to RR, MG or BX who don't require them? Furthermore, the 118 E's have just been refurbished for it's current contract and the 432 is up in a few years not to mention the 311 needing to use hybrid buses at the very least due to the Central London ULEZ. |
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 14, 2019 21:25:23 GMT
from what i have seen is that the 87's are becoming fully nbfl and 176's partially allocated nbfl both from route 88. 88's will gain eh's from both buses. if the 176 was to fully become nbfl. could the WHV's & MHV's possible not be transfered to RR for the school routes or BX to replace the wvl's same with MG, NX. For the 311 could they not be MHV's or WHV's from the 176 or share E's from 118 or share WVL's from 432 Think the WHVs / MHVs would be a waste on school routes - if they went to RR I would then used to fully convert the 5 to hybrid or another RR route. If any hybrids do end up at RR/SI then I'd definitely put them on the 135 as it hasn't got any spare EHV's and SI do need spare hybrids for the 135 for the ULEZ, plus also to replace the Omnicitys over there as well. |
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Post by ak121 on Jan 14, 2019 23:01:00 GMT
Think the WHVs / MHVs would be a waste on school routes - if they went to RR I would then used to fully convert the 5 to hybrid or another RR route. If any hybrids do end up at RR/SI then I'd definitely put them on the 135 as it hasn't got any spare EHV's and SI do need spare hybrids for the 135 for the ULEZ, plus also to replace the Omnicitys over there as well. How come GAL don't have any spare EHVs, were they under ordered in 2015 or did the PVR increased after the contract started? |
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Post by redexpress on Jan 15, 2019 7:07:18 GMT
If any hybrids do end up at RR/SI then I'd definitely put them on the 135 as it hasn't got any spare EHV's and SI do need spare hybrids for the 135 for the ULEZ, plus also to replace the Omnicitys over there as well. How come GAL don't have any spare EHVs, were they under ordered in 2015 or did the PVR increased after the contract started? PVR increased in 2016 when the 135 was rerouted round the Isle of Dogs. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 15, 2019 18:55:11 GMT
Could the 311 not run to Piccadilly Circus and the 22 stay at Oxo. I'm guessing the diversion of the 22 is to maintain a link between Kings Road/Beaufort Street when the 19 gets cut but the 311 would still maintain that link aswell as supporting the 38 from Victoria to Piccadilly Circus. That way the 311 could still be NB4L operated.
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Post by COBO on Jan 16, 2019 20:22:44 GMT
With the number of spare LTs in London, plus more from the central London changes, I would expect the 176 to fully convert to LTs. Then its EHs would likely move to SW for the 311 and to top up the 88, with the 176's WHVs/MHVs going elsewhere. from what i have seen is that the 87's are becoming fully nbfl and 176's partially allocated nbfl both from route 88. 88's will gain eh's from both buses. if the 176 was to fully become nbfl. could the WHV's & MHV's possible not be transfered to RR for the school routes or BX to replace the wvl's same with MG, NX. For the 311 could they not be MHV's or WHV's from the 176 or share E's from 118 or share WVL's from 432 How would the 118 / 432 share there E's and WVL's with the 311? |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 18, 2019 10:32:34 GMT
It has been reported elsewhere that LTs cannot do the proposed turn at Berkeley Square along this new route so conventional hybrids will likely be used. With Go-Ahead also likely to be the operator of this route, I wonder if the 176 will have more LTs than originally intended with the 88 swap. I'm sure news of what's going with this route will be revealed soon. I'm a bit surprised as when the 3 was terminating at Conduit Street, I remember there was a diversion at the start of the route, at one point, that routed it via Berkeley Square It's been reported that buses that usually use southbound Regent Street past Hamleys were yesterday[1] diverted via Berkeley Square and Piccadilly, the majority of the buses therefore being LTs. [1] - and possibly today |
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Jan 18, 2019 12:32:16 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 18, 2019 12:32:16 GMT
And the fact the supposedly the C2 failed it's test based on the PHF terminal with no mention of Berkeley Square makes me think the routeing would be suitable.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 27, 2019 19:08:31 GMT
It has been reported elsewhere that LTs cannot do the proposed turn at Berkeley Square along this new route so conventional hybrids will likely be used. With Go-Ahead also likely to be the operator of this route, I wonder if the 176 will have more LTs than originally intended with the 88 swap. I'm sure news of what's going with this route will be revealed soon. With the number of spare LTs in London, plus more from the central London changes, I would expect the 176 to fully convert to LTs. Then its EHs would likely move to SW for the 311 and to top up the 88, with the 176's WHVs/MHVs going elsewhere. Hopefully they would then make route 1 fully MHV or fully WHV, with the opposite vehicle type going elsewhere. A good home for such spare MHV/WHV buses as appropriate would be AF, displacing route 337 Es to replace the final Scanias or Volvo B7TLs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 19:49:46 GMT
With the number of spare LTs in London, plus more from the central London changes, I would expect the 176 to fully convert to LTs. Then its EHs would likely move to SW for the 311 and to top up the 88, with the 176's WHVs/MHVs going elsewhere. Hopefully they would then make route 1 fully MHV or fully WHV, with the opposite vehicle type going elsewhere. A good home for such spare MHV/WHV buses as appropriate would be AF, displacing route 337 Es to replace the final Scanias or Volvo B7TLs. What's the point of making the 1 fully MHV or WHV? They are effectively the same bus. Something more logical will be to give the 180 a part hybrid allocation as it will make it easier to get a fully hybrid allocation on the 1, as it is very difficult to fully allocate it with hybrids at the moment due to night bus arrival times not correlating with the departures for the 1 (the last buses on the 180 depart the garage a bit later than the last buses on the 1), hence a few hybrids on the 180 and a few diesels on the 1 as a daily occurrence. |
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Route 311
Jan 28, 2019 12:22:11 GMT
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Post by sid on Jan 28, 2019 12:22:11 GMT
Has it been confirmed that the 311 is unsuitable for LT's? The part closure of Regent Street has meant southbound buses including LT's being diverted via the 22 route to Green Park without any problems and I can't see any obvious problem in the northbound direction either.
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