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Post by greenman on Oct 27, 2018 6:11:33 GMT
Which operator will be awarded to this route 311
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 6:51:34 GMT
Which operator will be awarded to this route 311 Me, run from a new garage in my garden using second hand Dennis Tridents |
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Post by sid on Oct 27, 2018 7:01:52 GMT
Which operator will be awarded to this route 311 Presumably it will be part of the 11 contract with LT's from SW? |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2018 10:52:34 GMT
Which operator will be awarded to this route 311 No one knows because nothing has been published as to whether it is being separately tendered or whether TfL are negotiating a contract change with GAL given they operate both the 11 and 22 which the 211 partly replaces. Given the likely urgency for TfL in wanting the changes introduced as soon as possible I would guess a negotiated approach will be used. A full competitive tender with possibly new vehicles needed would take 8-9 months at best. TfL apparently want these changes in early next year which leaves little time. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 27, 2018 22:23:19 GMT
I reckon Abellio. GA are having route 88 extended to replace Abellio C2. So Abellio could take route 311 which is mainly a replacement for parts of GA routes 11 & 22.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 27, 2018 22:34:18 GMT
I reckon Abellio. GA are having route 88 extended to replace Abellio C2. So Abellio could take route 311 which is mainly a replacement for parts of GA routes 11 & 22. But the C2 is coming to the end of its contract, therefore Abellio won't need to be compensated as they should be prepared for the end of the contract. I think the 311 will end up being a Go Ahead route as it can just be added on as a variation of the 11 contract, and as has been mentioned earlier there's probably no time to run it through the tender process. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 28, 2018 7:38:23 GMT
I reckon Abellio. GA are having route 88 extended to replace Abellio C2. So Abellio could take route 311 which is mainly a replacement for parts of GA routes 11 & 22. But the C2 is coming to the end of its contract, therefore Abellio won't need to be compensated as they should be prepared for the end of the contract. I think the 311 will end up being a Go Ahead route as it can just be added on as a variation of the 11 contract, and as has been mentioned earlier there's probably no time to run it through the tender process. It has been suggested that the central London changes would take place early 2019, while the existing C2 contract does not expire until September 2019. So the 311 could possibly take over the C2 contract for a short while, with the 311 simply then put out to tender instead. |
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Post by 15002 on Oct 28, 2018 7:58:55 GMT
No one really knows the answer to which company it will go, so I think we should just wait and see until we get confirmation.
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Post by danorak on Oct 28, 2018 16:35:19 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud.
The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW.
All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 17:13:35 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud. The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW. All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic. AE is full and could be too far for the 11. |
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Post by danorak on Oct 28, 2018 17:21:33 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud. The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW. All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic. AE is full and could be too far for the 11. In my scenario, it would be a replacement for the withdrawn 48. AE is certainly not too far for a Victoria - Liverpool Street 11. AG (as was) was the home of many of the Red Arrows until they were concentrated at Waterloo. It had an allocation on the 11, inherited from the old Dalston Garage, until 1987. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 28, 2018 17:41:06 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud. The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW. All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic. I would say BN as well but that’s further out and would require a reshuffle of the South London garages to make space at BN. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 28, 2018 18:03:52 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud. The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW. All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic. AE is full and could be too far for the 11. The 78 runs from AE, with Liverpool Street not being much further than Shoreditch. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 28, 2018 18:06:01 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud. The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW. All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic. This would make sense, given that the 19 and 48 are not far into their existing contracts. Abellio lose the C2 in the changes, but the contract is near to ending, so could simply not be retendered. Though Abellio would be losing about half of the 45 quite soon into the current contract. Go Ahead may lose a part of the existing 11 route, but would gain the 88 extension. And in this case with the 11/311, could the 311 use LTs? If so, the 311 could use the existing 11 batch at SW, with the shortened 11 taking the 48 batch at AE. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 28, 2018 19:30:56 GMT
I don't think it's unreasonable to ponder this one so long as we're clear that we are just thinking aloud. The proposals seem to hit Arriva hardest - the 48 and most of the 19, for which it seems to me the 311 is an indirect replacement, are being lost. The confused description of the 11/311/N11 changes in the consultation suggest to me that the original 11 contract may be assigned to the 311 with a new contract for the rump 11. So on that basis, I would not be surprised to see the 11 go to Arriva from AE and the 311 go to Go Ahead from SW. All guesswork but hopefully with a dash of logic. AE is full and could be too far for the 11. In that case, route 106 could return to AR. It did have an AR allocation until 1981. This would incidentally take up some current route 19 space. |
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