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Post by sid on May 9, 2019 15:11:10 GMT
I'm in favour of the 227 being extend west of Crystal Palace to Streatham. If that did happen presumably it would replace the 249? Otherwise there is no way an additional x8 minute frequency service is going to be added just to save people changing buses at the palace. |
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Post by route53 on May 9, 2019 15:18:54 GMT
- More Cross South London routes, perhaps a bus route from Greenwich to Camberwell or even to Brixton for example - more North/South routes in the Greenwich borough, for instance a bus route from Thamesmead to Eltham or Kidbrooke Village which avoids Woolwich - Extend the 129 further to Catford then either to Beckenham or Forest Hill - Keep the 180 at Lewisham - Keep the 53 at Whitehall at least - 320 restored to Bromley to Biggin Hill only, - 227 extended to Streatham, more SE to SW links are needed, swap the 227 and the 358 in the Shortlands area so the 227 can run double deck buses, this route is very busy - Restore the Forest Hill section of the 194 - 472 extended to Erith Quarry instead of 180 - 202 extended to North Greenwich - 161 curtailed at Woolwich, the 132 offers a much quicker and more direct journey to North Greenwich from Eltham, maybe the 161 could be rerouted to Thamesmead - New orbital or semi orbital express route, perhaps a Bluewater to Croydon service similar to the old 726 Great suggestions! I especially like the idea of orbital express routes. I would have the following new routes in addition to the X26: A) Bluewater - Romford - Chingford - Enfield B) Enfield - Barnet - Edgware - Uxbridge C) West Croydon - Bromley - Orpington - Bluewater Great ideas! There does need to be more orbital express routes, BoJo promised us theses routes eleven years ago...... |
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Post by route53 on May 9, 2019 17:20:19 GMT
I'm in favour of the 227 being extend west of Crystal Palace to Streatham. It’s would provide a much needed link between SE & SW London, without using the tram as a means to do so. I would also extend the 249 to Penge, perhaps to stand where the 354 stands now? |
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2019 17:37:31 GMT
I'm in favour of the 227 being extend west of Crystal Palace to Streatham. If that did happen presumably it would replace the 249? Otherwise there is no way an additional x8 minute frequency service is going to be added just to save people changing buses at the palace. No because you wouldn’t run it via Church Road & Upper Norwood in any event. The 249 provides too many useful links to axe. |
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Post by sid on May 9, 2019 17:49:59 GMT
If that did happen presumably it would replace the 249? Otherwise there is no way an additional x8 minute frequency service is going to be added just to save people changing buses at the palace. No because you wouldn’t run it via Church Road & Upper Norwood in any event. The 249 provides too many useful links to axe. Whatever way this 227 extension went something else would have to go to make it viable. |
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2019 22:23:44 GMT
No because you wouldn’t run it via Church Road & Upper Norwood in any event. The 249 provides too many useful links to axe. Whatever way this 227 extension went something else would have to go to make it viable. Not particularly - it could run via the 417 giving it the assistance it has been needing for years. |
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Post by rhys on May 9, 2019 22:32:51 GMT
Whatever way this 227 extension went something else would have to go to make it viable. Not particularly - it could run via the 417 giving it the assistance it has been needing for years. The thing about that section of the 417, is that it's only really busy during school hours, due to the sheer amount of schools between Central Hill and Streatham Hill. During other times, it's not particularly busy enough to require assistance imo. In saying that, I wouldn't mind if the 227 was extended. It creates new links, and I could see it being really popular. Or alternatively, even if a new school route was formed, that links those specific areas with more southeasternly regions, it would definitely benefit many. |
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Post by sid on May 9, 2019 22:42:08 GMT
Whatever way this 227 extension went something else would have to go to make it viable. Not particularly - it could run via the 417 giving it the assistance it has been needing for years. The 417 is more than adequate and doesn't need assistance other than possibly at school times. The idea of extending the 227 to Streatham belongs in the fantasy section, it's just not viable. |
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2019 22:44:14 GMT
Not particularly - it could run via the 417 giving it the assistance it has been needing for years. The thing about that section of the 417, is that it's only really busy during school hours, due to the sheer amount of schools between Central Hill and Streatham Hill. During other times, it's not particularly busy enough to require assistance imo. In saying that, I wouldn't mind if the 227 was extended. It creates new links, and I could see it being really popular. Or alternatively, even if a new school route was formed, that links those specific areas with more southeasternly regions, it would definitely benefit many. Even after school hours, the 417 continues to load heavy particularly from Streatham Hill Station where it’s common to find a crowd of people waiting, especially when the 417 is up the creek. For a period of time a few years back, I became a regular user of the 417 in the evenings and noticed how busy and how much it struggled. I certainly agree with you regarding the links it creates - in fact, I’ve always wondered why the transport planners have been insistent of making Palace one massive terminus for everything even before the bus station was built. |
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2019 22:48:38 GMT
Not particularly - it could run via the 417 giving it the assistance it has been needing for years. The 417 is more than adequate and doesn't need assistance other than possibly at school times. The idea of extending the 227 to Streatham belongs in the fantasy section, it's just not viable. You could argue everything belongs in the fantasy section on that basis then. I’m also very aware in regards to the 417 so with all due respect, no need to tell me anything about it or how viable a 227 extension is either. |
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Post by sid on May 9, 2019 22:56:23 GMT
The 417 is more than adequate and doesn't need assistance other than possibly at school times. The idea of extending the 227 to Streatham belongs in the fantasy section, it's just not viable. You could argue everything belongs in the fantasy section on that basis then. I’m also very aware in regards to the 417 so with all due respect, no need to tell me anything about it or how viable a 227 extension is either. The 227 could be extended to Clapham Park and the 417 withdrawn. The 137 should be adequate for the Clapham Common bit. But then it means a single decker route to deal with the school traffic so what's is the point? It's an easy enough change of bus at Crystal Palace. |
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Post by rhys on May 9, 2019 23:15:38 GMT
The thing about that section of the 417, is that it's only really busy during school hours, due to the sheer amount of schools between Central Hill and Streatham Hill. During other times, it's not particularly busy enough to require assistance imo. In saying that, I wouldn't mind if the 227 was extended. It creates new links, and I could see it being really popular. Or alternatively, even if a new school route was formed, that links those specific areas with more southeasternly regions, it would definitely benefit many. Even after school hours, the 417 continues to load heavy particularly from Streatham Hill Station where it’s common to find a crowd of people waiting, especially when the 417 is up the creek. For a period of time a few years back, I became a regular user of the 417 in the evenings and noticed how busy and how much it struggled. I certainly agree with you regarding the links it creates - in fact, I’ve always wondered why the transport planners have been insistent of making Palace one massive terminus for everything even before the bus station was built. I agree about Crystal Palace, apart from the ruins of the old palace, the transmission tower and the National Sports Centre, I don't actually see what's so special about Crystal Palace as a destination. I guess it just provides a massive interchange from South West to South East London. I find it interesting that apart from the 249, 432, 450 and N3, all buses that serve Crystal Palace terminate there. Even the 249/432 used to terminate there before the Anerley stand was built. |
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2019 1:01:32 GMT
You could argue everything belongs in the fantasy section on that basis then. I’m also very aware in regards to the 417 so with all due respect, no need to tell me anything about it or how viable a 227 extension is either. The 227 could be extended to Clapham Park and the 417 withdrawn. The 137 should be adequate for the Clapham Common bit. But then it means a single decker route to deal with the school traffic so what's is the point? It's an easy enough change of bus at Crystal Palace. With the greatest of respects, your wandering into an area your clearly unfamiliar with judging by your 137 comment and extension of the 227 to Clapham Park so lets leave it there rather than carry it on any further  |
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2019 1:04:03 GMT
Even after school hours, the 417 continues to load heavy particularly from Streatham Hill Station where it’s common to find a crowd of people waiting, especially when the 417 is up the creek. For a period of time a few years back, I became a regular user of the 417 in the evenings and noticed how busy and how much it struggled. I certainly agree with you regarding the links it creates - in fact, I’ve always wondered why the transport planners have been insistent of making Palace one massive terminus for everything even before the bus station was built. I agree about Crystal Palace, apart from the ruins of the old palace, the transmission tower and the National Sports Centre, I don't actually see what's so special about Crystal Palace as a destination. I guess it just provides a massive interchange from South West to South East London. I find it interesting that apart from the 249, 432, 450 and N3, all buses that serve Crystal Palace terminate there. Even the 249/432 used to terminate there before the Anerley stand was built. Indeed, it's always something I've been puzzled by - even the 450 used to terminate there before the extension to Lower Sydenham. The lovely Crystal Palace Park is the main attraction particularly as the shopping area is only really for locals rather than for people travelling long distances |
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Post by cl54 on May 10, 2019 2:50:24 GMT
I agree about Crystal Palace, apart from the ruins of the old palace, the transmission tower and the National Sports Centre, I don't actually see what's so special about Crystal Palace as a destination. I guess it just provides a massive interchange from South West to South East London. I find it interesting that apart from the 249, 432, 450 and N3, all buses that serve Crystal Palace terminate there. Even the 249/432 used to terminate there before the Anerley stand was built. Indeed, it's always something I've been puzzled by - even the 450 used to terminate there before the extension to Lower Sydenham. The lovely Crystal Palace Park is the main attraction particularly as the shopping area is only really for locals rather than for people travelling long distances The width of the road meant that buses were able to do a U turn after setting down and return to service on the opposite side of the road. There was a lot less traffic then. |
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