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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2019 5:01:04 GMT
Locally to you, Putney has gone Labour for the first time since 2005 which is a good win for Labour, helps them cancel out a tory gain in the north. According to Owen, labour are going to win tonight. 😁 Well he would say that as I believe he is a Corbynite - Labour are full of deluded individuals that was backing someone who voters simply didn't liked due to his links with the IRA, Hamas, Putin & the Venezuelan dictator currently starving his people not to mention the fantasy manifesto relying on fictional money trees. Thankfully, this is the end of him and hopefully the party gets rid of Momentum whilst moving back to a Blair like social democratic stance which if happens, I can regain confidence in voting for them again. I hope my new Labour MP is decent given she replace Chuka Umunna who locally was decent but upset people with his defections. Lower Labour win than the poor Michael Foot campaign in the 80's - dear oh dear! The Tories may have won but are in a tricky situation now they mopped up working class northern areas - fail there at the next election and it's highly likely they'll never get those seats back. They'll still struggling in London though shockingly managing to pick up Kensington despite Grenfell and the fallout there regarding Rees-Mogg comments. Joe Swinton is gone so that's likely her gone as leader as well - Lib Dems doing pretty nothing bar the odd gain here and there Sadly, Caroline Lucas kept her safe Brighton seat with the pointless Green party and then went into a rant about justice for Green candidates  And as for SNP, dear god they're very deluded despite their mopping up of Scotland - the country votes as the UK not as England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland yet it suits you when it should as the UK and when it should be as Scotland. No PM is stupid enough to grant independence given how that would be used against you for many years and nor should they - the 'once in a lifetime' vote as said by Sturgeon has been done and voted in favour of keeping the union. The laughable aspect about independence is they would be worse off going it alone - no currency, no Barnett formula so good luck on paying for free universities, reliance on a fossil fuel as your major income, still won't be in the EU regardless and the fact Scotland has the biggest share of the deficit in the UK. Couple with the fact that education & the NHS is similarly as bad in Scotland as in the rest of the UK despite the SNP governing and really, they are just a thick version of the Tories minus the rich status |
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Post by kenmet on Dec 13, 2019 6:28:38 GMT
This was effectively a second referendum and a resounding vote for leave, Brexit is finally going to happen. So much for the people having supposedly changed their minds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 9:13:28 GMT
Dasvidaniya Comrade Corbyn
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 13, 2019 10:29:21 GMT
Dasvidaniya Comrade Corbyn They wouldn't have HIM. He's too far left wing/marxist/stalinist for Russia  |
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 13, 2019 10:31:01 GMT
Locally to you, Putney has gone Labour for the first time since 2005 which is a good win for Labour, helps them cancel out a tory gain in the north. According to Owen, labour are going to win tonight. 😁  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 15:57:49 GMT
I'm mildly optimistic about Johnson. As a writer noted in the ES today, he likes building buses. Maybe buses that divide opinions much as Brexit has done, but he did improve things for buses generally.
I hope he can turn his guns on Khan now. Help TfL out of this crisis of monies and invest properly. That said i think improvements outside London are needed quicker. So lets see.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 13, 2019 15:59:52 GMT
As Ed Milliband said in his resignation speech 'Britain needs a strong Labour party.' They've had a battering at the polls as we've all seen, losing many seats in their traditional northern heartlands. Hopefully Labour can rebuild, get a competent leader, and some more sensible policies. A new leader, who realises that pandering to your core vote isn't the way to win an election is needed. Who do we all want to be the next labour leader? I think it will be Angela Rayner but I think someone more centrist such as Keir Starmer would be better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 17:07:18 GMT
Cant believe how bitter Labour voters are on Social Media. The name calling before and after the election is pretty low.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 13, 2019 17:52:18 GMT
Cant believe how bitter Labour voters are on Social Media. The name calling before and after the election is pretty low. I've seen similar, I find it quite ridiculous too. That said that fight at the Hayes announcement shows it's not just coming from the Labour side. Being a student and finding the fees really high I voted Labour myself but am not surprised at all that they got defeated this badly. Many seem to be blaming Corbyn but even though he's a major part the whole party is to blame. There was a huge lack of policies and lack of clarity around Brexit. The policies that they did have were mostly unfunded and would have probably resulted in a recession somewhere along the line. The saving grace is now that there is a proper government the country can hopefully move on from this stalemate that we have been in, even if it's not the government that I voted for. Labour now need to move on, it's clear Corbynism has not got them anywhere, they shifted so far to the left that what ended up happening is that their slogan "for the many, not the few" ended up becoming for the few, just of a different demographic. Hopefully they have a new leader elected and a new shadow cabinet and will be able to slowly build themselves up once again, although it could take another 2 or 3 GEs for any notable results to come through. It'll be very interesting to see what happens over the next few years regarding them but we probably can't say anything until they have a new leader and a new shadow cabinet. Despite the crushing defeat nationally my MP retained her seat and seems to be having a field day. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2019 18:44:08 GMT
I'm mildly optimistic about Johnson. As a writer noted in the ES today, he likes building buses. Maybe buses that divide opinions much as Brexit has done, but he did improve things for buses generally. I hope he can turn his guns on Khan now. Help TfL out of this crisis of monies and invest properly. That said i think improvements outside London are needed quicker. So lets see. The bus he built is incredibly flawed whether people like to admit it or not and he started the mess of we have in London when he along with the government removed the subsidy so struggling to see the improvements he created. Kahn is equally culpable with Corbyn like populist, non costed policies - only Livingstone gets any credit for improving the London network which sadly has seen some of his work undone. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2019 19:11:10 GMT
Cant believe how bitter Labour voters are on Social Media. The name calling before and after the election is pretty low. I've seen similar, I find it quite ridiculous too. That said that fight at the Hayes announcement shows it's not just coming from the Labour side. Being a student and finding the fees really high I voted Labour myself but am not surprised at all that they got defeated this badly. Many seem to be blaming Corbyn but even though he's a major part the whole party is to blame. There was a huge lack of policies and lack of clarity around Brexit. The policies that they did have were mostly unfunded and would have probably resulted in a recession somewhere along the line. The saving grace is now that there is a proper government the country can hopefully move on from this stalemate that we have been in, even if it's not the government that I voted for. Labour now need to move on, it's clear Corbynism has not got them anywhere, they shifted so far to the left that what ended up happening is that their slogan "for the many, not the few" ended up becoming for the few, just of a different demographic. Hopefully they have a new leader elected and a new shadow cabinet and will be able to slowly build themselves up once again, although it could take another 2 or 3 GEs for any notable results to come through. It'll be very interesting to see what happens over the next few years regarding them but we probably can't say anything until they have a new leader and a new shadow cabinet. Despite the crushing defeat nationally my MP retained her seat and seems to be having a field day. Fingers crossed Corbynism is dead because I was dead against him & what it stood for and I couldn’t forgive myself if I contributed to voting in Corbyn. Momentum, Corbyn & McDonald are a cancer within Labour and are at the heart of their awful abuse they send critics constantly online. The party have a role to play but the blame has to lie majorly at Corbyn & his cronies door. He always had a dodgy image having wrote for pro IRA papers, friends with Hamas and the Venezuelan dictator’s, links to Putin and people like Margaret Hodge warned repeatedly this would happen (her third tweet in your post had me in stitches), his policies were practically fantasy based and he had no clear stance on Brexit - how they thought they’d win an election from the far left is bewildering. Personally, what Labour needs is the second coming of New Labour and Blair 2.0 (minus the awful foreign policy), someone who lead from the centre and progressed this country after the awful Thatcher reign & Major’s ill run term. My worry now with Labour is they’ll elect either another Corbynite who will repeat the same errors or someone who is weak and too left leaning because the likes of Emily Thornberry, Keir Starmer, etc leave me with little hope because I’d like to return to Labour but not as it is. Like you, Labour kept their very safe Streatham seat (Brixton Hill comes under that seat) but with Umunna part of the Lib Dem’s, I’ve a brand new MP so new territory here. |
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Post by rif153 on Dec 13, 2019 20:23:04 GMT
I've seen similar, I find it quite ridiculous too. That said that fight at the Hayes announcement shows it's not just coming from the Labour side. Being a student and finding the fees really high I voted Labour myself but am not surprised at all that they got defeated this badly. Many seem to be blaming Corbyn but even though he's a major part the whole party is to blame. There was a huge lack of policies and lack of clarity around Brexit. The policies that they did have were mostly unfunded and would have probably resulted in a recession somewhere along the line. The saving grace is now that there is a proper government the country can hopefully move on from this stalemate that we have been in, even if it's not the government that I voted for. Labour now need to move on, it's clear Corbynism has not got them anywhere, they shifted so far to the left that what ended up happening is that their slogan "for the many, not the few" ended up becoming for the few, just of a different demographic. Hopefully they have a new leader elected and a new shadow cabinet and will be able to slowly build themselves up once again, although it could take another 2 or 3 GEs for any notable results to come through. It'll be very interesting to see what happens over the next few years regarding them but we probably can't say anything until they have a new leader and a new shadow cabinet. Despite the crushing defeat nationally my MP retained her seat and seems to be having a field day. Fingers crossed Corbynism is dead because I was dead against him & what it stood for and I couldn’t forgive myself if I contributed to voting in Corbyn. Momentum, Corbyn & McDonald are a cancer within Labour and are at the heart of their awful abuse they send critics constantly online. The party have a role to play but the blame has to lie majorly at Corbyn & his cronies door. He always had a dodgy image having wrote for pro IRA papers, friends with Hamas and the Venezuelan dictator’s, links to Putin and people like Margaret Hodge warned repeatedly this would happen (her third tweet in your post had me in stitches), his policies were practically fantasy based and he had no clear stance on Brexit - how they thought they’d win an election from the far left is bewildering. Personally, what Labour needs is the second coming of New Labour and Blair 2.0 (minus the awful foreign policy), someone who lead from the centre and progressed this country after the awful Thatcher reign & Major’s ill run term. My worry now with Labour is they’ll elect either another Corbynite who will repeat the same errors or someone who is weak and too left leaning because the likes of Emily Thornberry, Keir Starmer, etc leave me with little hope because I’d like to return to Labour but not as it is. Like you, Labour kept their very safe Streatham seat (Brixton Hill comes under that seat) but with Umunna part of the Lib Dem’s, I’ve a brand new MP so new territory here. I think the issue will be that the party has now been infiltrated by Momentum. A moderate and sensible leader is needed, but sadly I think it will be another crazy leader. The MPs nomination phase is supposed to be a valve from preventing a crazy leader, but I fear it will fail given that the infiltrate is from Westminster to Workington and beyond. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2019 20:38:13 GMT
I am not saying who I voted for but I’ll say this. No to Socialism it destroyed Venezuela and it could possibly destroy Britain. I agree as Venezuela, many people do not realise that socialism just doesn't work. I do not see any pro socialist country with the equality they say it creates. It creates further division, very rich MP's for the ruling party and extreme amounts of corruption.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2019 20:44:00 GMT
We may now be in trouble.. We were in trouble regardless of which main party won - the only silver lining is this finally should be the end of Terrorist Corbyn & Sidekick McDonald along with Momentum and hopefully back to a Labour Party I can actually vote for. The momentum is so far stuck up their rear. I was Glad Alan Johnson told the momentum leader how it is and he is still in his own warped world. Yes there were some good times of the past, but public services in the 70's were poo, one of the reasons why Margaret Thatcher came in with a landslide and made the country go forward. I loved British Rail and London Transport, but they had a lot of operational problems, high wastage and major disregard when it came to public satisfaction. A lot of Labours policies were unrealistic and as Alan Johnson put it "student politics" Its like the view of the world we have in primary school and then as an adult, two completely different spectrums.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2019 21:02:29 GMT
According to Owen, labour are going to win tonight. 😁 Well he would say that as I believe he is a Corbynite - Labour are full of deluded individuals that was backing someone who voters simply didn't liked due to his links with the IRA, Hamas, Putin & the Venezuelan dictator currently starving his people not to mention the fantasy manifesto relying on fictional money trees. Thankfully, this is the end of him and hopefully the party gets rid of Momentum whilst moving back to a Blair like social democratic stance which if happens, I can regain confidence in voting for them again. I hope my new Labour MP is decent given she replace Chuka Umunna who locally was decent but upset people with his defections. Lower Labour win than the poor Michael Foot campaign in the 80's - dear oh dear! The Tories may have won but are in a tricky situation now they mopped up working class northern areas - fail there at the next election and it's highly likely they'll never get those seats back. They'll still struggling in London though shockingly managing to pick up Kensington despite Grenfell and the fallout there regarding Rees-Mogg comments. Joe Swinton is gone so that's likely her gone as leader as well - Lib Dems doing pretty nothing bar the odd gain here and there Sadly, Caroline Lucas kept her safe Brighton seat with the pointless Green party and then went into a rant about justice for Green candidates And as for SNP, dear god they're very deluded despite their mopping up of Scotland - the country votes as the UK not as England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland yet it suits you when it should as the UK and when it should be as Scotland. No PM is stupid enough to grant independence given how that would be used against you for many years and nor should they - the 'once in a lifetime' vote as said by Sturgeon has been done and voted in favour of keeping the union. The laughable aspect about independence is they would be worse off going it alone - no currency, no Barnett formula so good luck on paying for free universities, reliance on a fossil fuel as your major income, still won't be in the EU regardless and the fact Scotland has the biggest share of the deficit in the UK. Couple with the fact that education & the NHS is similarly as bad in Scotland as in the rest of the UK despite the SNP governing and really, they are just a thick version of the Tories minus the rich status Problem with grenfel, many of this was before Cameron took office and happened under labour, but then the left wing press like BBC doesn't report this. This cladding thing and many of the catalogue of things that led to Grenfell has been over 10 years in the making.
I feel it is a major shame at Swinson resigning, but I believe she took a major gamble by saying that she would ignore a democratic referendum and stay in the EU. One of the reasons why I say many remoaners and left wing people don't get it. I am not surprised in London as I have previously said here, people vote like Labour is a football team and would never consider any other party. To me that is delusional, I would always vote which party I think best suited me or my opinions, not follow the sheep. many have stupid one tracked minds on hysteria created by left wing media which they do not even realise is the same or worst within the labour party.
In some ways believe it or not, I feel sorry for Corbyn, he had been binned all the hype (Goooo Jeremy COOOORbin) etc and visions of the 60's & 70's in this day and age is never going to happen. If Labour goes for a female leader just for the sake of a tick box exercise they would be going down the same road. If they are going to go for a leader, chose a male or female leader based on qualities, these are some of the reasons why Johnson has come to power, people are sick of the spoonfed political correct BS over the years.
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