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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2019 21:07:23 GMT
Cant believe how bitter Labour voters are on Social Media. The name calling before and after the election is pretty low. it doesn't surprise me, many of them have no respect, they feel they most constantly be an urban guerrilla activist. They were fuelled by the BBC, the Metro newspaper etc. Many of these "Russel Brand" type loonies are hypocrites, they would insult big corporations, yet they gladly use their products or want to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2019 21:14:14 GMT
Cant believe how bitter Labour voters are on Social Media. The name calling before and after the election is pretty low. I've seen similar, I find it quite ridiculous too. That said that fight at the Hayes announcement shows it's not just coming from the Labour side. Being a student and finding the fees really high I voted Labour myself but am not surprised at all that they got defeated this badly. Many seem to be blaming Corbyn but even though he's a major part the whole party is to blame. There was a huge lack of policies and lack of clarity around Brexit. The policies that they did have were mostly unfunded and would have probably resulted in a recession somewhere along the line. The saving grace is now that there is a proper government the country can hopefully move on from this stalemate that we have been in, even if it's not the government that I voted for. Labour now need to move on, it's clear Corbynism has not got them anywhere, they shifted so far to the left that what ended up happening is that their slogan "for the many, not the few" ended up becoming for the few, just of a different demographic. Hopefully they have a new leader elected and a new shadow cabinet and will be able to slowly build themselves up once again, although it could take another 2 or 3 GEs for any notable results to come through. It'll be very interesting to see what happens over the next few years regarding them but we probably can't say anything until they have a new leader and a new shadow cabinet. Despite the crushing defeat nationally my MP retained her seat and seems to be having a field day. Trouble is I have seen many complain about Conservatives with tuition fees, and even the lefties cussing over this, but then they seem to have a short mind. They have forgot that it was LABOUR that introduced tuition fees, it was not on ANY of the other parties manifestos in 1997. Labour created this mess that I myself had to pay for uni, I was the first year that had it.
I have seen so many activists say that Boris policies were unworkable, but they wore rose tinted glasses and could not see that many of the policies Labour came up with existed in fantasy land or the University common room.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 21:16:37 GMT
Cant believe how bitter Labour voters are on Social Media. The name calling before and after the election is pretty low. it doesn't surprise me, many of them have no respect, they feel they most constantly be an urban guerrilla activist. They were fuelled by the BBC, the Metro newspaper etc. Many of these "Russel Brand" type loonies are hypocrites, they would insult big corporations, yet they gladly use their products or want to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. Twitter is still in meltdown. They are acting like the NHS is closing down at midnight tonight. I know things are not perfect but people are acting like we are living in a third world country! As if Labour could have just come to power and instantly change everything overnight. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2019 21:18:00 GMT
I'm mildly optimistic about Johnson. As a writer noted in the ES today, he likes building buses. Maybe buses that divide opinions much as Brexit has done, but he did improve things for buses generally. I hope he can turn his guns on Khan now. Help TfL out of this crisis of monies and invest properly. That said i think improvements outside London are needed quicker. So lets see. The bus he built is incredibly flawed whether people like to admit it or not and he started the mess of we have in London when he along with the government removed the subsidy so struggling to see the improvements he created. Kahn is equally culpable with Corbyn like populist, non costed policies - only Livingstone gets any credit for improving the London network which sadly has seen some of his work undone. I still like the LT, it has flaws, but there are many of the modern crop of London buses, flawed imo. TfL did not need that subsidy imo, they have high wastage and modest fare rises would have easily covered it. I may be wrong but see Khan staying put, he has only puit a facebook message out and no press conference over the election results, which is unusual for him; but then I am not surprised as he never initially saw eye to eye with Corbyn.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2019 21:25:48 GMT
it doesn't surprise me, many of them have no respect, they feel they most constantly be an urban guerrilla activist. They were fuelled by the BBC, the Metro newspaper etc. Many of these "Russel Brand" type loonies are hypocrites, they would insult big corporations, yet they gladly use their products or want to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. Twitter is still in meltdown. They are acting like the NHS is closing down at midnight tonight. I know things are not perfect but people are acting like we are living in a third world country! As if Labour could have just come to power and instantly change everything overnight. These are the same people who forgot Labour started a lot of private initiative contracts on the NHS, but now seem to listen to the socialist junk about the NHS sell off. Even if Labour did start this, I saw nothing wrong with it, as long as it wasn't in a major way. A lot of it is sour grapes, but no surprise as most uni's, schools etc are full of Labour activists and are brainwashing people into Labour. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2019 21:50:51 GMT
Well he would say that as I believe he is a Corbynite - Labour are full of deluded individuals that was backing someone who voters simply didn't liked due to his links with the IRA, Hamas, Putin & the Venezuelan dictator currently starving his people not to mention the fantasy manifesto relying on fictional money trees. Thankfully, this is the end of him and hopefully the party gets rid of Momentum whilst moving back to a Blair like social democratic stance which if happens, I can regain confidence in voting for them again. I hope my new Labour MP is decent given she replace Chuka Umunna who locally was decent but upset people with his defections. Lower Labour win than the poor Michael Foot campaign in the 80's - dear oh dear! The Tories may have won but are in a tricky situation now they mopped up working class northern areas - fail there at the next election and it's highly likely they'll never get those seats back. They'll still struggling in London though shockingly managing to pick up Kensington despite Grenfell and the fallout there regarding Rees-Mogg comments. Joe Swinton is gone so that's likely her gone as leader as well - Lib Dems doing pretty nothing bar the odd gain here and there Sadly, Caroline Lucas kept her safe Brighton seat with the pointless Green party and then went into a rant about justice for Green candidates  And as for SNP, dear god they're very deluded despite their mopping up of Scotland - the country votes as the UK not as England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland yet it suits you when it should as the UK and when it should be as Scotland. No PM is stupid enough to grant independence given how that would be used against you for many years and nor should they - the 'once in a lifetime' vote as said by Sturgeon has been done and voted in favour of keeping the union. The laughable aspect about independence is they would be worse off going it alone - no currency, no Barnett formula so good luck on paying for free universities, reliance on a fossil fuel as your major income, still won't be in the EU regardless and the fact Scotland has the biggest share of the deficit in the UK. Couple with the fact that education & the NHS is similarly as bad in Scotland as in the rest of the UK despite the SNP governing and really, they are just a thick version of the Tories minus the rich status Problem with grenfel, many of this was before Cameron took office and happened under labour, but then the left wing press like BBC doesn't report this. This cladding thing and many of the catalogue of things that led to Grenfell has been over 10 years in the making.
I feel it is a major shame at Swinson resigning, but I believe she took a major gamble by saying that she would ignore a democratic referendum and stay in the EU. One of the reasons why I say many remoaners and left wing people don't get it. I am not surprised in London as I have previously said here, people vote like Labour is a football team and would never consider any other party. To me that is delusional, I would always vote which party I think best suited me or my opinions, not follow the sheep. many have stupid one tracked minds on hysteria created by left wing media which they do not even realise is the same or worst within the labour party.
In some ways believe it or not, I feel sorry for Corbyn, he had been binned all the hype (Goooo Jeremy COOOORbin) etc and visions of the 60's & 70's in this day and age is never going to happen. If Labour goes for a female leader just for the sake of a tick box exercise they would be going down the same road. If they are going to go for a leader, chose a male or female leader based on qualities, these are some of the reasons why Johnson has come to power, people are sick of the spoonfed political correct BS over the years.
Actually, both parties are to blame for Grenfell because Grenfell’s plight started under Thatcher when she sold off council housing whilst letting the rest rot to pieces and successive governments of all persuasions failed to deal with this decline hence why May getting all the blame is wrong. Swinson made two fatal errors - declaring she could be PM & campaigning on the basis of straight up revoking Article 50. This ultimately put many remainers off not to mention lack of pact between Lib Dem’s & Labour splitting the Remain vote unlike the Leave vote which had a Tory & Brexit Party alliance. I did feel sorry for her losing her seat as it meant the racist SNP party getting in instead. |
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Post by kenmet on Dec 13, 2019 22:41:56 GMT
Cant believe how bitter Labour voters are on Social Media. The name calling before and after the election is pretty low. it doesn't surprise me, many of them have no respect, they feel they most constantly be an urban guerrilla activist. They were fuelled by the BBC, the Metro newspaper etc. Many of these "Russel Brand" type loonies are hypocrites, they would insult big corporations, yet they gladly use their products or want to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. It's a shame really the depths to which Labour have sunk, whatever the government we need a credible opposition party to keep them on their toes and the Lib Dems have got even less credibility, they both treated the electorate with contempt and got what they deserved yesterday. |
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Post by ronnie on Dec 13, 2019 23:02:32 GMT
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Post by kenmet on Dec 14, 2019 7:46:21 GMT
I'm all for people having the right to protest but I don't understand how they can seriously protest about an election result, bizarre. And how idiotic to trap people on a bus, police really need to deal with these idiots robustly. |
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 14, 2019 8:01:51 GMT
I'm all for people having the right to protest but I don't understand how they can seriously protest about an election result, bizarre. And how idiotic to trap people on a bus, police really need to deal with these idiots robustly. Unfortunately baton rounds and flaying alive with razor wire is a big no no  |
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 14, 2019 8:11:57 GMT
I think this will die down and people move on. Some have moved on quicker  than others  |
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Post by ronnie on Dec 14, 2019 12:03:23 GMT
I'm all for people having the right to protest but I don't understand how they can seriously protest about an election result, bizarre. And how idiotic to trap people on a bus, police really need to deal with these idiots robustly. This was ridiculous to be honest. Fine, your party May not have won - but at least accept the people’s verdict and try better next time. “Not my PM” and “get rid of Boris” will not get them anywhere. Do they want a vote every month till Corbyn somehow wins! |
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Post by rif153 on Dec 14, 2019 12:07:07 GMT
I've seen similar, I find it quite ridiculous too. That said that fight at the Hayes announcement shows it's not just coming from the Labour side. Being a student and finding the fees really high I voted Labour myself but am not surprised at all that they got defeated this badly. Many seem to be blaming Corbyn but even though he's a major part the whole party is to blame. There was a huge lack of policies and lack of clarity around Brexit. The policies that they did have were mostly unfunded and would have probably resulted in a recession somewhere along the line. The saving grace is now that there is a proper government the country can hopefully move on from this stalemate that we have been in, even if it's not the government that I voted for. Labour now need to move on, it's clear Corbynism has not got them anywhere, they shifted so far to the left that what ended up happening is that their slogan "for the many, not the few" ended up becoming for the few, just of a different demographic. Hopefully they have a new leader elected and a new shadow cabinet and will be able to slowly build themselves up once again, although it could take another 2 or 3 GEs for any notable results to come through. It'll be very interesting to see what happens over the next few years regarding them but we probably can't say anything until they have a new leader and a new shadow cabinet. Despite the crushing defeat nationally my MP retained her seat and seems to be having a field day. Trouble is I have seen many complain about Conservatives with tuition fees, and even the lefties cussing over this, but then they seem to have a short mind. They have forgot that it was LABOUR that introduced tuition fees, it was not on ANY of the other parties manifestos in 1997. Labour created this mess that I myself had to pay for uni, I was the first year that had it.
I have seen so many activists say that Boris policies were unworkable, but they wore rose tinted glasses and could not see that many of the policies Labour came up with existed in fantasy land or the University common room.
100% agree, the manifesto was crazy and it felt like every day they were desperately dishing out new policies like confetti. The Socialist wing of the Labour Party should come to their senses are realise that Corbyn is unpopular and that people aren't ready for a radical leader, I dread to think what will happen if Rebecca-Long-Bailey becomes the next leader because she would be equally bad in my view. |
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Post by N230UD on Dec 14, 2019 12:42:30 GMT
I really can't see Boris uniting this nation. He is a very divisive figure, which is not an ideal trait for any leader of a country.
If if we talk about public transport and buses though, let's hope the Tories stop being so pro-car and actually become proactive in promoting bus useage (not just trains!). While I don't quite agree with Labour's views on nationalisation, at least they did talk about buses, probably much more so than in previous elections.
The local Tories in my area just build car parks and build new roads. Public transport is not a priority for them.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 14, 2019 12:48:03 GMT
it doesn't surprise me, many of them have no respect, they feel they most constantly be an urban guerrilla activist. They were fuelled by the BBC, the Metro newspaper etc. Many of these "Russel Brand" type loonies are hypocrites, they would insult big corporations, yet they gladly use their products or want to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. Many of them do not have respect I agree. But I have seen vile behaviour from Tory and Brexit Party activists as well. The Tories really cannot take the moral high ground. The BBC has complaints from the right-wing about left-wing bias, and the left-wing about right-wing bias, so they must be doing something right! Secondly, the Metro is owned by the Daily Mail Group, so I doubt they would have wanted Labour in government. The media is largely right wing so I'd hardly say the media have fuelled the lefties. Regardless of what party Boris represents, I really can't understand why anyone thinks he is a good prime minister. He is a very divisive figure and a proven liar, which is not ideal for the leader of a country. There are much less divisive Tories who would be better at uniting this country. However we need to remember everyone didn't actually vote for Boris, they voted for their local MP. A side effect would just have happened to be Boris ended up as Prime Minister. I just hope that even though this isn't the party I voted to get into power it's good to just have some clarity in the future. We are all now heading in one direction, whether that remains to be the right direction is yet to be seen. |
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