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Post by vjaska on Dec 15, 2019 20:56:00 GMT
It does depend which media source. Most of the best selling newspapers are owned by right-wing millionaires, who have clearly used the papers for an agenda (Private Eye magazine regularly points this out). Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, Evening Standard, The Telegraph and The Times are all known as right-wing newspapers and openly support the Conservative Party. In contrast, only the Guardian and the Mirror openly support the Labour Party. The vast majority of our national newspapers openly have a right-wing or left-wing bias. Only very few are 'neutral'. I think that is wrong. I think the media needs to be doing a lot more to be neutral, rather than trying to influence people's views, left or right. While many people are not influenced by the media, I know of many friends and family whose only news source are certain newspapers, and they often just repeat stories they have read in bias newspapers, rather than being more open-minded and making up their own mind. I'm friends with a Tory voting Brexiteer - he has actually researched properly into his views rather than just blindly reading bias sources. Being right wing doesn't necessarily mean supporting Brexit and there have been many complaints about project fear from the media trying to frighten people into voting remain. Either way I think it's patronising to say the least to suggest that people can't make up their own minds which way to vote. isn't saying that right wing means supporting Brexit but merely bringing up a valid point that many papers are biased to one side which personally I think is wrong. I voted for Brexit and would consider myself more to the centre and yet I think every newspaper is merely worth using as toilet paper when it came to reporting on Brexit and the election. |
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Post by kenmet on Dec 15, 2019 21:06:27 GMT
Being right wing doesn't necessarily mean supporting Brexit and there have been many complaints about project fear from the media trying to frighten people into voting remain. Either way I think it's patronising to say the least to suggest that people can't make up their own minds which way to vote. isn't saying that right wing means supporting Brexit but merely bringing up a valid point that many papers are biased to one side which personally I think is wrong. I voted for Brexit and would consider myself more to the centre and yet I think every newspaper is merely worth using as toilet paper when it came to reporting on Brexit and the election. I don't buy newspapers anymore, I just don't see the point when up to the minute news is readily available online. |
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 15, 2019 21:18:38 GMT
Being right wing doesn't necessarily mean supporting Brexit and there have been many complaints about project fear from the media trying to frighten people into voting remain. Either way I think it's patronising to say the least to suggest that people can't make up their own minds which way to vote. isn't saying that right wing means supporting Brexit but merely bringing up a valid point that many papers are biased to one side which personally I think is wrong. I voted for Brexit and would consider myself more to the centre and yet I think every newspaper is merely worth using as toilet paper when it came to reporting on Brexit and the election. Interesting that all the parties were told not to make their literature to look like local newspapers.  |
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 15, 2019 22:32:24 GMT
N230UD isn't saying that right wing means supporting Brexit but merely bringing up a valid point that many papers are biased to one side which personally I think is wrong. I voted for Brexit and would consider myself more to the centre and yet I think every newspaper is merely worth using as toilet paper when it came to reporting on Brexit and the election. Interesting that all the parties were told not to make their literature to look like local newspapers. I remember when Ken Livingstone used to print that sanctimonious rag The Londoner (NOT the popular bus and Facebook group  ) it was worse in quality than my local Enfield and Haringey Advertiser, and just as many pages  Yes, there is an abundance of news articles online, some are very clearly Left (Mirror, Guardian) and others to the Right (Express, Daily Fail)... lets see how Brexit news changes in the run up to the 31st of January |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 19, 2019 1:27:41 GMT
I am no fan of the SNP, but to say they are racist is a bit extreme They are anti-English because breaking up the union makes little sense for Scotland as they have more to lose from it - not sure how close to racist you need to be then? Sturgeon gives out about the Tories when really, she is one in disguise duping the whole of Scotland in the process. The Scottish are lovely people so hopefully they will realise at some point. I would have said prejudiced instead of racist |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 19, 2019 1:30:56 GMT
Sore losers, its the same mentality for the second referendum. This is what I cant stand about these activist leftist people its no other way but their and they are very sore losers who believe everyone should be brainwashed into their way of thinking. They are part of the reason that is shifting centreground people to the right. Gret -yah thunderburger and others like Momentum, Climate Rebellion are all part of this movement imo.
I'm just wondering how 'rightists' would have reacted if Labour had won this election. Would they have quietly accepted the result, and not protest about it ? I somehow doubt it. I agree many Leftists feel their way is the only way, and get very aggressive if people don't agree. But I feel there are certainly plenty of right-wing people who are EXACTLY the same. Especially when we have a largely right wing media. If Labour had won the election, there would not have been anywhere near the sour grapes of the leftist movement, nor the protests that sprung up. Its laughable at your claim over the media which is clearly left wing, hardly much right wing and is why many were shocked up until the last week when the polls didn't shift as much as they wanted it. Corbinned was still the hero of the hour up to 2 weeks ago, many media channels were doing their best to discredit the Conservatives and Boris over this time. Even down to the use of celebrities to endorse the Labour party.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 19, 2019 1:36:50 GMT
Obviously there is little choice but to accept the result of any election whether you agree with it or not but your comment about "a largely right wing media" gets me. I've heard numerous people complaining that the same media have had an anti Brexit agenda from the outset. Either way I think most people are capable of making up their own mind without any influence from the media. It does depend which media source. Most of the best selling newspapers are owned by right-wing millionaires, who have clearly used the papers for an agenda (Private Eye magazine regularly points this out). Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, Evening Standard, The Telegraph and The Times are all known as right-wing newspapers and openly support the Conservative Party. In contrast, only the Guardian and the Mirror openly support the Labour Party. The vast majority of our national newspapers openly have a right-wing or left-wing bias. Only very few are 'neutral'. I think that is wrong. I think the media needs to be doing a lot more to be neutral, rather than trying to influence people's views, left or right. While many people are not influenced by the media, I know of many friends and family whose only news source are certain newspapers, and they often just repeat stories they have read in bias newspapers, rather than being more open-minded and making up their own mind. I'm friends with a Tory voting Brexiteer - he has actually researched properly into his views rather than just blindly reading bias sources. You forgot to add the observer onto the left wing media. The list also includes the BBC, Channel 4, MSN News, the Metro, Evening Standard, Google News. What they failed to realise they made the case worst, by trying to constantly tarnish Boris and also Brexit just further peeed people off to ditch Labour. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2019 1:39:52 GMT
It does depend which media source. Most of the best selling newspapers are owned by right-wing millionaires, who have clearly used the papers for an agenda (Private Eye magazine regularly points this out). Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, Evening Standard, The Telegraph and The Times are all known as right-wing newspapers and openly support the Conservative Party. In contrast, only the Guardian and the Mirror openly support the Labour Party. The vast majority of our national newspapers openly have a right-wing or left-wing bias. Only very few are 'neutral'. I think that is wrong. I think the media needs to be doing a lot more to be neutral, rather than trying to influence people's views, left or right. While many people are not influenced by the media, I know of many friends and family whose only news source are certain newspapers, and they often just repeat stories they have read in bias newspapers, rather than being more open-minded and making up their own mind. I'm friends with a Tory voting Brexiteer - he has actually researched properly into his views rather than just blindly reading bias sources. You forgot to add the observer onto the left wing media. The list also includes the BBC, Channel 4, MSN News, the Metro, Evening Standard, Google News. What they failed to realise they made the case worst, by trying to constantly tarnish Boris and also Brexit just further peeed people off to ditch Labour. The Metro is more neutral from reading it, it doesn't seem to bother taking a side unless I've missed certain stories? |
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Post by kenmet on Dec 19, 2019 6:12:54 GMT
It does depend which media source. Most of the best selling newspapers are owned by right-wing millionaires, who have clearly used the papers for an agenda (Private Eye magazine regularly points this out). Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, Evening Standard, The Telegraph and The Times are all known as right-wing newspapers and openly support the Conservative Party. In contrast, only the Guardian and the Mirror openly support the Labour Party. The vast majority of our national newspapers openly have a right-wing or left-wing bias. Only very few are 'neutral'. I think that is wrong. I think the media needs to be doing a lot more to be neutral, rather than trying to influence people's views, left or right. While many people are not influenced by the media, I know of many friends and family whose only news source are certain newspapers, and they often just repeat stories they have read in bias newspapers, rather than being more open-minded and making up their own mind. I'm friends with a Tory voting Brexiteer - he has actually researched properly into his views rather than just blindly reading bias sources. You forgot to add the observer onto the left wing media. The list also includes the BBC, Channel 4, MSN News, the Metro, Evening Standard, Google News. What they failed to realise they made the case worst, by trying to constantly tarnish Boris and also Brexit just further peeed people off to ditch Labour. Exactly, all the patronising project fear "you've got this wrong........... clearly you didn't know what you were voting for....... we'll have to have another vote..... put it back to the people...... blah blah blah" just persuaded more people to vote for Boris. Maybe the referendum voting card should have looked like this: |
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Post by rif153 on Dec 19, 2019 18:41:00 GMT
I'm just wondering how 'rightists' would have reacted if Labour had won this election. Would they have quietly accepted the result, and not protest about it ? I somehow doubt it. I agree many Leftists feel their way is the only way, and get very aggressive if people don't agree. But I feel there are certainly plenty of right-wing people who are EXACTLY the same. Especially when we have a largely right wing media. If Labour had won the election, there would not have been anywhere near the sour grapes of the leftist movement, nor the protests that sprung up. Its laughable at your claim over the media which is clearly left wing, hardly much right wing and is why many were shocked up until the last week when the polls didn't shift as much as they wanted it. Corbinned was still the hero of the hour up to 2 weeks ago, many media channels were doing their best to discredit the Conservatives and Boris over this time. Even down to the use of celebrities to endorse the Labour party.
These idiots love to throw their toys out of the pram when they can't take the fact they've lost, like with calling for another Brexit referendum, even though we've had a so called 'People's Vote' in fact we've had more than one, but a week ago, the people didn't vote for another referendum, they voted to Get Brexit Done. You can't suggest people have changed their minds when the tories won a majority of 80, that's just laughable bile. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2019 22:41:14 GMT
You forgot to add the observer onto the left wing media. The list also includes the BBC, Channel 4, MSN News, the Metro, Evening Standard, Google News. What they failed to realise they made the case worst, by trying to constantly tarnish Boris and also Brexit just further peeed people off to ditch Labour. Exactly, all the patronising project fear "you've got this wrong........... clearly you didn't know what you were voting for....... we'll have to have another vote..... put it back to the people...... blah blah blah" just persuaded more people to vote for Boris. Maybe the referendum voting card should have looked like this: Neither side could come out of the Brexit debate smelling of roses - both sides frankly should be ashamed of themselves and I say that as a Leaver who hasn’t changed their mind. |
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 19, 2019 23:53:03 GMT
It does depend which media source. Most of the best selling newspapers are owned by right-wing millionaires, who have clearly used the papers for an agenda (Private Eye magazine regularly points this out). Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, Evening Standard, The Telegraph and The Times are all known as right-wing newspapers and openly support the Conservative Party. In contrast, only the Guardian and the Mirror openly support the Labour Party. The vast majority of our national newspapers openly have a right-wing or left-wing bias. Only very few are 'neutral'. I think that is wrong. I think the media needs to be doing a lot more to be neutral, rather than trying to influence people's views, left or right. While many people are not influenced by the media, I know of many friends and family whose only news source are certain newspapers, and they often just repeat stories they have read in bias newspapers, rather than being more open-minded and making up their own mind. I'm friends with a Tory voting Brexiteer - he has actually researched properly into his views rather than just blindly reading bias sources. You forgot to add the observer onto the left wing media. The list also includes the BBC, Channel 4, MSN News, the Metro, Evening Standard, Google News. What they failed to realise they made the case worst, by trying to constantly tarnish Boris and also Brexit just further peeed people off to ditch Labour. The Observer is basically the Sunday Guardian but yes a left wing newspaper nonetheless and Channel 4 news I'd agree is very left wing but as for the Evening Standard , George Osborne the editor our ex chancellor isn't exactly left wing just because he isn't pro Brexit , I also think though unconsciously of course we are All swayed by what we read and what media and news sources we see , if we are reading bad things about someone all the time we are not going to want them to run the country and for every bad story I've seen on BoJo I've seen about 10 for Corbyn , but what's done is done now I feel like since 2016 the Country has been split i.e everyone is either a Leaver or a Remainer or Lefties and Righties and social media has become toxic with it from both sides alot of people on the extremes of both sides and before that we were all sort of bubbling along as one so hopefully now we are "Getting Brexit Done" this nonsense stops and we can all sort of move forward there was a time where we could all agree to disagree and move on this all seems to have changed though but the country has spoken for better or for worst so let's get on with it . |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 27, 2019 20:55:26 GMT
You forgot to add the observer onto the left wing media. The list also includes the BBC, Channel 4, MSN News, the Metro, Evening Standard, Google News. What they failed to realise they made the case worst, by trying to constantly tarnish Boris and also Brexit just further peeed people off to ditch Labour. The Observer is basically the Sunday Guardian but yes a left wing newspaper nonetheless and Channel 4 news I'd agree is very left wing but as for the Evening Standard , George Osborne the editor our ex chancellor isn't exactly left wing just because he isn't pro Brexit , I also think though unconsciously of course we are All swayed by what we read and what media and news sources we see , if we are reading bad things about someone all the time we are not going to want them to run the country and for every bad story I've seen on BoJo I've seen about 10 for Corbyn , but what's done is done now I feel like since 2016 the Country has been split i.e everyone is either a Leaver or a Remainer or Lefties and Righties and social media has become toxic with it from both sides alot of people on the extremes of both sides and before that we were all sort of bubbling along as one so hopefully now we are "Getting Brexit Done" this nonsense stops and we can all sort of move forward there was a time where we could all agree to disagree and move on this all seems to have changed though but the country has spoken for better or for worst so let's get on with it . I disagree, there were more bad stories about Boris, then Corbinned. When it was Corbyn vs May it was more bad stories about Corbyn then. |
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) it was worse in quality than my local Enfield and Haringey Advertiser, and just as many pages 
