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Post by vjaska on Nov 26, 2022 13:05:29 GMT
Hmmm not sure how convinced I am that it definitely will eventually happen, and that the pressure on the mayor will be too great he’ll have to drop it. As usual it’ll be small businesses that can’t afford a 2017+ diesel van (let alone electric!) that will get hammered the most. At least put an exemption in for older commercial vehicles to help out with that. Apparently he’s giving a ‘grant’ to lower income families to help them get a newer compliant car. Guarantee it obviously won’t be enough though! youtu.be/5gSrjMmRQdk - Sky News interview with Sadiq Khan about the ULEZ expansion The mayor even said here that at 2:31 he’s announcing ‘the biggest expansion ever of outer London bus routes’, PAH don’t make me laugh he’s done the polar opposite!!!! Controversial opinion but rather than give people a grant to stimulate private car use, why not encourage them onto the public transport network at a time when revenue is very much needed |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 27, 2022 8:04:53 GMT
Hmmm not sure how convinced I am that it definitely will eventually happen, and that the pressure on the mayor will be too great he’ll have to drop it. As usual it’ll be small businesses that can’t afford a 2017+ diesel van (let alone electric!) that will get hammered the most. At least put an exemption in for older commercial vehicles to help out with that. Apparently he’s giving a ‘grant’ to lower income families to help them get a newer compliant car. Guarantee it obviously won’t be enough though! youtu.be/5gSrjMmRQdk - Sky News interview with Sadiq Khan about the ULEZ expansion The mayor even said here that at 2:31 he’s announcing ‘the biggest expansion ever of outer London bus routes’, PAH don’t make me laugh he’s done the polar opposite!!!! Controversial opinion but rather than give people a grant to stimulate private car use, why not encourage them onto the public transport network at a time when revenue is very much needed He is also wanting to bring in a road charging scheme to pay per mile or tolls, but the tech isn't quite there yet. Already these charges are having an effect on companies outside London... beds.co.uk are trying to charge me a "North London Surcharge" of £30 due to me living in the ULEZ, despite the fact they have free delivery to the rest of mainland UK  I can't see Sadiq adding extra buses around Greater London, we need to renumber what we have and re organise stuff as a lot of bus travel is too time consuming with such low speeds. Unless you are on a quick route like the 112, 123, 232 which uses 50 zones, it's the usual pain of roadworks, 20 zones and traffic which will put most off. Generally Ubers do for most, unless you live in an LTN (on which most drivers won't take you direct to your door). Until more "High Spec" buses are rolled out, there's not much luring people on to buses... my local route barely bothers with blinds, most 318's have the Arriva logo blind or white blank  we should roll out and retrofit LED blinds which can show more information. TfL need to adapt to the fact most people's work habits have changed and more work from home, therefore not needing the bus to get into offices in London... as bus strikes make the service even more unreliable, it will push more into cars or taxis. Can't see a drastic improvement happening for some time, IMHO  |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 28, 2022 8:40:15 GMT
29th August. Remember that date
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Post by snowman on Nov 28, 2022 12:20:54 GMT
29th August. Remember that date Does exclude some roads near London boundary, although some of the exempt areas make no sense, eg Hampton Court Road (since the reason of a weight limit on Walton Bridge no longer applies since it was rebuilt) or the routes through Surbiton (to get to Thames Ditton without passing under low bridge) rather undermine the logic But I suppose there aren't going to be that many that will want to keep a 8+ year old diesel car car or a 17+ year old petrol car (in August 2023), and haven't considered replacing it at some stage anyway. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 28, 2022 13:06:00 GMT
29th August. Remember that date Does exclude some roads near London boundary, although some of the exempt areas make no sense, eg Hampton Court Road (since the reason of a weight limit on Walton Bridge no longer applies since it was rebuilt) or the routes through Surbiton (to get to Thames Ditton without passing under low bridge) rather undermine the logic But I suppose there aren't going to be that many that will want to keep a 8+ year old diesel car car or a 17+ year old petrol car (in August 2023), and haven't considered replacing it at some stage anyway. I expect TfL is using the same boundary as the existing LEZ, for simplicity and convenience of administration. TfL cannot place an emissions requirement on any road, nor stretch of road, outside the Greater London boundary. Hence some roads on the edge of London are excluded, to allow heavy vehicles crossing into Greater London to exit again without entering the LEZ. There are also some unusual inclusions. Amanda Close is a road off Limes Farm Estate in Hainault/Chigwell. The Estate comes under Epping Forest District Council, an Essex Authority, and Amanda Close can only be accessed via the Estate. However the Greater London Boundary runs across the mouth of the road - so it is in the LEZ. |
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 28, 2022 20:27:47 GMT
Controversial opinion but rather than give people a grant to stimulate private car use, why not encourage them onto the public transport network at a time when revenue is very much needed He is also wanting to bring in a road charging scheme to pay per mile or tolls, but the tech isn't quite there yet. Already these charges are having an effect on companies outside London... beds.co.uk are trying to charge me a "North London Surcharge" of £30 due to me living in the ULEZ, despite the fact they have free delivery to the rest of mainland UK I can't see Sadiq adding extra buses around Greater London, we need to renumber what we have and re organise stuff as a lot of bus travel is too time consuming with such low speeds. Unless you are on a quick route like the 112, 123, 232 which uses 50 zones, it's the usual pain of roadworks, 20 zones and traffic which will put most off. Generally Ubers do for most, unless you live in an LTN (on which most drivers won't take you direct to your door). Until more "High Spec" buses are rolled out, there's not much luring people on to buses... my local route barely bothers with blinds, most 318's have the Arriva logo blind or white blank we should roll out and retrofit LED blinds which can show more information. TfL need to adapt to the fact most people's work habits have changed and more work from home, therefore not needing the bus to get into offices in London... as bus strikes make the service even more unreliable, it will push more into cars or taxis. Can't see a drastic improvement happening for some time, IMHO Is this an Arriva thing ? Saw about three 103s the other day showing white blank ? 😂 It's like they've given up , But yes LED's should be standard now we are in 2023 basically blinds are a thing of the past , the same with boring all red all same spec buses we definitely need some high spec buses with added extras on some routes with route branding IMO to get some people back on the buses . Some Routes need to change aswell this standard needs to change every other city in the UK has variation yet London all routes more or less run to a set standard start and finish time and set bph even when passenger numbers are low , this spin cack and bull "Mayor saves Bus Routes " nonsense doesn't solve the problem usage numbers aren't as high as they were , tfl in some cases is losing a lot of money . A lot of changes are needed which is basically why the ULEZ expansion is coming in even though the majority of respondents said they don't want it to expand but it makes more income for tfl and Mr Khan to "save the day" . This has nothing to do with pollution and everything to do with money , rich people will simply just pay the charge and still drive their polluting vehicles , I've seen V8 4.0 petrol cars from 2005 exempt but a 2015 1.8 diesel isn't but as per it will affect working classes who need to use their vehicles on lower incomes , same as the cycle superhighways that are barely used outside rush hours but when used mainly by richer middle classes , but sure Mr Khan will still be driving around in his Range Rover with his entourage in theirs . |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 28, 2022 21:40:28 GMT
He is also wanting to bring in a road charging scheme to pay per mile or tolls, but the tech isn't quite there yet. Already these charges are having an effect on companies outside London... beds.co.uk are trying to charge me a "North London Surcharge" of £30 due to me living in the ULEZ, despite the fact they have free delivery to the rest of mainland UK I can't see Sadiq adding extra buses around Greater London, we need to renumber what we have and re organise stuff as a lot of bus travel is too time consuming with such low speeds. Unless you are on a quick route like the 112, 123, 232 which uses 50 zones, it's the usual pain of roadworks, 20 zones and traffic which will put most off. Generally Ubers do for most, unless you live in an LTN (on which most drivers won't take you direct to your door). Until more "High Spec" buses are rolled out, there's not much luring people on to buses... my local route barely bothers with blinds, most 318's have the Arriva logo blind or white blank we should roll out and retrofit LED blinds which can show more information. TfL need to adapt to the fact most people's work habits have changed and more work from home, therefore not needing the bus to get into offices in London... as bus strikes make the service even more unreliable, it will push more into cars or taxis. Can't see a drastic improvement happening for some time, IMHO Is this an Arriva thing ? Saw about three 103s the other day showing white blank ? 😂 It's like they've given up , But yes LED's should be standard now we are in 2023 basically blinds are a thing of the past , the same with boring all red all same spec buses we definitely need some high spec buses with added extras on some routes with route branding IMO to get some people back on the buses . Some Routes need to change aswell this standard needs to change every other city in the UK has variation yet London all routes more or less run to a set standard start and finish time and set bph even when passenger numbers are low , this spin cack and bull "Mayor saves Bus Routes " nonsense doesn't solve the problem usage numbers aren't as high as they were , tfl in some cases is losing a lot of money . A lot of changes are needed which is basically why the ULEZ expansion is coming in even though the majority of respondents said they don't want it to expand but it makes more income for tfl and Mr Khan to "save the day" . This has nothing to do with pollution and everything to do with money , rich people will simply just pay the charge and still drive their polluting vehicles , I've seen V8 4.0 petrol cars from 2005 exempt but a 2015 1.8 diesel isn't but as per it will affect working classes who need to use their vehicles on lower incomes , same as the cycle superhighways that are barely used outside rush hours but when used mainly by richer middle classes , but sure Mr Khan will still be driving around in his Range Rover with his entourage in theirs . As regards slapdash presentation, it is an Arriva thing  Buses magazine confirmed it in their latest issue when visiting the North East, with an array of liveries old and new, and nothing seems to be standard, or very smart I know I mention the 318, but the 184 buses were like this too before Go Ahead took over. White blanks or Arriva Logo, with no more than 4 with working blinds. Battered bodywork with diesel and AdBlue staining on the sides. As regards the blinds, the manual blinds have all packed up, so they use slipboards on the dash. As regards ULEZ, most will pass the charge on to customers. Most who are well off see any fines as "chump change" and will still drive their G Wagen or other high end marque without batting an eyelid. As regards bus routes, London is set in its ways , so don't expect much in the way of improvements. The so-called High Spec is still without WiFi, enjoyed outside London for years  |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 29, 2022 8:59:08 GMT
The best way I can describe how TFL is like at the moment is like this. A person works for a company and they're constantly working overtime. They treat their overtime salary as a base salary, not realising that one day it may stop. So they trod along with the high status and when that extra pence has stopped they struggle to maintain the status they built as they relied on the extra pence to get through. Now needing to take drastic measures to maintain that level they scrambling along to find more work.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 29, 2022 12:24:07 GMT
Is this an Arriva thing ? Saw about three 103s the other day showing white blank ? 😂 It's like they've given up , But yes LED's should be standard now we are in 2023 basically blinds are a thing of the past , the same with boring all red all same spec buses we definitely need some high spec buses with added extras on some routes with route branding IMO to get some people back on the buses . Some Routes need to change aswell this standard needs to change every other city in the UK has variation yet London all routes more or less run to a set standard start and finish time and set bph even when passenger numbers are low , this spin cack and bull "Mayor saves Bus Routes " nonsense doesn't solve the problem usage numbers aren't as high as they were , tfl in some cases is losing a lot of money . A lot of changes are needed which is basically why the ULEZ expansion is coming in even though the majority of respondents said they don't want it to expand but it makes more income for tfl and Mr Khan to "save the day" . This has nothing to do with pollution and everything to do with money , rich people will simply just pay the charge and still drive their polluting vehicles , I've seen V8 4.0 petrol cars from 2005 exempt but a 2015 1.8 diesel isn't but as per it will affect working classes who need to use their vehicles on lower incomes , same as the cycle superhighways that are barely used outside rush hours but when used mainly by richer middle classes , but sure Mr Khan will still be driving around in his Range Rover with his entourage in theirs . As regards slapdash presentation, it is an Arriva thing Buses magazine confirmed it in their latest issue when visiting the North East, with an array of liveries old and new, and nothing seems to be standard, or very smart I know I mention the 318, but the 184 buses were like this too before Go Ahead took over. White blanks or Arriva Logo, with no more than 4 with working blinds. Battered bodywork with diesel and AdBlue staining on the sides. As regards the blinds, the manual blinds have all packed up, so they use slipboards on the dash. As regards ULEZ, most will pass the charge on to customers. Most who are well off see any fines as "chump change" and will still drive their G Wagen or other high end marque without batting an eyelid. As regards bus routes, London is set in its ways , so don't expect much in the way of improvements. The so-called High Spec is still without WiFi, enjoyed outside London for years Yes tradesmen will just add the £12.50 daily charge onto the customers bill and there are concerns in the care sector with it already being difficult to atract people into the job and if people aren't getting the care they need at home it'll put more strain onto the NHS. There seems to be very little enthusiasm for the ULEZ expansion with even some environmentalists calling it little more than a revenue raiser, and yes need more 'route 63 spec' to attract people onto buses. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 29, 2022 12:44:33 GMT
As regards slapdash presentation, it is an Arriva thing Buses magazine confirmed it in their latest issue when visiting the North East, with an array of liveries old and new, and nothing seems to be standard, or very smart I know I mention the 318, but the 184 buses were like this too before Go Ahead took over. White blanks or Arriva Logo, with no more than 4 with working blinds. Battered bodywork with diesel and AdBlue staining on the sides. As regards the blinds, the manual blinds have all packed up, so they use slipboards on the dash. As regards ULEZ, most will pass the charge on to customers. Most who are well off see any fines as "chump change" and will still drive their G Wagen or other high end marque without batting an eyelid. As regards bus routes, London is set in its ways , so don't expect much in the way of improvements. The so-called High Spec is still without WiFi, enjoyed outside London for years Yes tradesmen will just add the £12.50 daily charge onto the customers bill and there are concerns in the care sector with it already being difficult to atract people into the job and if people aren't getting the care they need at home it'll put more strain onto the NHS. There seems to be very little enthusiasm for the ULEZ expansion with even some environmentalists calling it little more than a revenue raiser, and yes need more 'route 63 spec' to attract people onto buses. “Route 63 spec buses” on their own won’t attract people back to the network, it has to be a combination of both that but firstly, improving frequencies and reliability by halting and reversing cuts. If it was as simple as just implementing the former, the 63 itself would of gained a noticeable increase in patronage which it hasn’t |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 29, 2022 13:01:19 GMT
Yes tradesmen will just add the £12.50 daily charge onto the customers bill and there are concerns in the care sector with it already being difficult to atract people into the job and if people aren't getting the care they need at home it'll put more strain onto the NHS. There seems to be very little enthusiasm for the ULEZ expansion with even some environmentalists calling it little more than a revenue raiser, and yes need more 'route 63 spec' to attract people onto buses. “Route 63 spec buses” on their own won’t attract people back to the network, it has to be a combination of both that but firstly, improving frequencies and reliability by halting and reversing cuts. If it was as simple as just implementing the former, the 63 itself would of gained a noticeable increase in patronage which it hasn’t I have been saying this since the high spec vehicles were first rumoured for the 63. I’d be far more interested to see how much TfL wasted on paying TikTok influencers for social media posts to promote the high spec vehicles. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 29, 2022 13:12:02 GMT
“Route 63 spec buses” on their own won’t attract people back to the network, it has to be a combination of both that but firstly, improving frequencies and reliability by halting and reversing cuts. If it was as simple as just implementing the former, the 63 itself would of gained a noticeable increase in patronage which it hasn’t I have been saying this since the high spec vehicles were first rumoured for the 63. I’d be far more interested to see how much TfL wasted on paying TikTok influencers for social media posts to promote the high spec vehicles. TfL haven't wasted any money because they done a deal with Abellio, these buses only attract so much attention because they are a new novelty in London, pretty much the norm everywhere else. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 29, 2022 13:57:59 GMT
I have been saying this since the high spec vehicles were first rumoured for the 63. I’d be far more interested to see how much TfL wasted on paying TikTok influencers for social media posts to promote the high spec vehicles. TfL haven't wasted any money because they done a deal with Abellio, these buses only attract so much attention because they are a new novelty in London, pretty much the norm everywhere else. I don’t think some 18 year old TikToker who usually shares prank videos or ridiculous challenge videos gives two jots about a novelty bus which is a pale imitation of what is being offered outside London. However if they are being paid for their posts they just might. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 29, 2022 14:28:31 GMT
“Route 63 spec buses” on their own won’t attract people back to the network, it has to be a combination of both that but firstly, improving frequencies and reliability by halting and reversing cuts. If it was as simple as just implementing the former, the 63 itself would of gained a noticeable increase in patronage which it hasn’t I have been saying this since the high spec vehicles were first rumoured for the 63. I’d be far more interested to see how much TfL wasted on paying TikTok influencers for social media posts to promote the high spec vehicles. I very much welcome the upgraded spec myself but the point I’m making is you need a combination of both to meet the maximum potential of any gains and firstly, basics like frequency, effective publication and reliability need to be on point |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 29, 2022 16:05:43 GMT
“Route 63 spec buses” on their own won’t attract people back to the network, it has to be a combination of both that but firstly, improving frequencies and reliability by halting and reversing cuts. If it was as simple as just implementing the former, the 63 itself would of gained a noticeable increase in patronage which it hasn’t I have been saying this since the high spec vehicles were first rumoured for the 63. I’d be far more interested to see how much TfL wasted on paying TikTok influencers for social media posts to promote the high spec vehicles. Genuinely hope TfL didn't pay any influences, the videos they posted barely managed to get any attention. I think one made it to a couple of thousand but thats not many at all. If TfL want a social media presence they should probably do what RyanAir are doing on TikTok and Twitter, controversial but it's what works. |
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I can't see Sadiq adding extra buses around Greater London, we need to renumber what we have and re organise stuff as a lot of bus travel is too time consuming with such low speeds. Unless you are on a quick route like the 112, 123, 232 which uses 50 zones, it's the usual pain of roadworks, 20 zones and traffic which will put most off. Generally Ubers do for most, unless you live in an LTN (on which most drivers won't take you direct to your door).
we should roll out and retrofit LED blinds which can show more information. TfL need to adapt to the fact most people's work habits have changed and more work from home, therefore not needing the bus to get into offices in London... as bus strikes make the service even more unreliable, it will push more into cars or taxis. Can't see a drastic improvement happening for some time, IMHO 
Buses magazine confirmed it in their latest issue when visiting the North East, with an array of liveries old and new, and nothing seems to be standard, or very smart 
