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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 8:50:55 GMT
I’d be in favour of this for now, as long as it’s not instead of the Bakerloo Line extension. Just a prequel to funding hopefully being secured for the extension. Hopefully long-term it could morph into a proper BRT application for the Old Kent Road once the Tube extension opens. It’s kind of a “It’ll do for now” idea. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 8:52:09 GMT
Just a prequel to funding hopefully being secured for the extension. Hopefully long-term it could morph into a proper BRT application for the Old Kent Road once the Tube extension opens. It’s kind of a “It’ll do for now” idea. Arguably yes, because although Sadiq Khan and TfL support the Bakerloo extension and have pushed for the funding the (Tory) central government hasn't been forthcoming with agreeing capital funding from their end, which a project of this magnitude would require. At least this would be something to tide them over |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 2, 2024 9:09:53 GMT
As so illustrated  I’d be in favour of this for now, as long as it’s not instead of the Bakerloo Line extension. It will be ... corridor upgrade complete ... SuperLoop. Now promise some upgrade for a different corridor. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2024 15:15:42 GMT
I'm not fussed about the money aspect but I don't think this is as brilliant as it sounds - Superloop routes should really be confined to brand new links that don't exist rather than simply plonking one on a corridor and duplicating routes already in place. By all means, stick some meaningful bus priority in along Old Kent Road but I don't see the need for this route unlike the Bakerloo extension. Also, the Labour assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich should remember that Lambeth doesn't merely consist of Waterloo only and that maybe resident's of Lewisham might like improved links to other parts of Lambeth - would like to know if he has previously lobbied for improving links between Lewisham & Lambeth (and not just Waterloo) before? No doubt Lambeth council will simply nod and agree here - they aren't fussed with fighting for their own routes anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 15:20:24 GMT
I'm not fussed about the money aspect but I don't think this is as brilliant as it sounds - Superloop routes should really be confined to brand new links that don't exist rather than simply plonking one on a corridor and duplicating routes already in place. By all means, stick some meaningful bus priority in along Old Kent Road but I don't see the need for this route unlike the Bakerloo extension. Also, the Labour assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich should remember that Lambeth doesn't merely consist of Waterloo only and that maybe resident's of Lewisham might like improved links to other parts of Lambeth - would like to know if he has previously lobbied for improving links between Lewisham & Lambeth (and not just Waterloo) before? No doubt Lambeth council will simply nod and agree here - they aren't fussed with fighting for their own routes anyway A more direct link between Lewisham and Brixton would be handy, or even Lewisham to Streatham. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2024 15:26:03 GMT
I'm not fussed about the money aspect but I don't think this is as brilliant as it sounds - Superloop routes should really be confined to brand new links that don't exist rather than simply plonking one on a corridor and duplicating routes already in place. By all means, stick some meaningful bus priority in along Old Kent Road but I don't see the need for this route unlike the Bakerloo extension. Also, the Labour assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich should remember that Lambeth doesn't merely consist of Waterloo only and that maybe resident's of Lewisham might like improved links to other parts of Lambeth - would like to know if he has previously lobbied for improving links between Lewisham & Lambeth (and not just Waterloo) before? No doubt Lambeth council will simply nod and agree here - they aren't fussed with fighting for their own routes anyway A more direct link between Lewisham and Brixton would be handy, or even Lewisham to Streatham. Lewisham to Streatham is the sort of link I was thinking of, even a more direct Brixton to Lewisham link via Camberwell would be useful for people than having to tackle the P4 |
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Post by abellion on Apr 2, 2024 16:20:36 GMT
I'm not fussed about the money aspect but I don't think this is as brilliant as it sounds - Superloop routes should really be confined to brand new links that don't exist rather than simply plonking one on a corridor and duplicating routes already in place. By all means, stick some meaningful bus priority in along Old Kent Road but I don't see the need for this route unlike the Bakerloo extension. Also, the Labour assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich should remember that Lambeth doesn't merely consist of Waterloo only and that maybe resident's of Lewisham might like improved links to other parts of Lambeth - would like to know if he has previously lobbied for improving links between Lewisham & Lambeth (and not just Waterloo) before? No doubt Lambeth council will simply nod and agree here - they aren't fussed with fighting for their own routes anyway A more direct link between Lewisham and Brixton would be handy, or even Lewisham to Streatham. The P13 being the only bus from Streatham going in the Dulwich/Peckham direction is awful as there is so much potential for onwards connections . So unreliable, indirect and the Enviro200s are quite small, they crawl up any incline and hold up traffic as they accelerate at a snails pace… not sure if I’m unlucky and just end up with the worst of the batch! |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2024 17:22:25 GMT
I'm not fussed about the money aspect but I don't think this is as brilliant as it sounds - Superloop routes should really be confined to brand new links that don't exist rather than simply plonking one on a corridor and duplicating routes already in place. By all means, stick some meaningful bus priority in along Old Kent Road but I don't see the need for this route unlike the Bakerloo extension. Also, the Labour assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich should remember that Lambeth doesn't merely consist of Waterloo only and that maybe resident's of Lewisham might like improved links to other parts of Lambeth - would like to know if he has previously lobbied for improving links between Lewisham & Lambeth (and not just Waterloo) before? No doubt Lambeth council will simply nod and agree here - they aren't fussed with fighting for their own routes anyway Yes new links but also should be considered for routes where maybe their length means they should now admit defeat and accept a regular route is viable as happened with the 207/607 and 140/X140 and to a degree the 68/X68. Again as I suggested before an X53 from PD, Woolwich, Charlton, Royal Standard etc then maybe 3 or 4 stops on the Old Kent Road in lieu of the Bakerloo Line extension then terminate at TSQ with the 53 possibly cut to New Cross Gate. Might be a bit to harsh of a suggestion but maybe even an X21 stopping at Lewisham Centre, Station, College, Goldsmiths, NX, then again 3 or 4 OKR stops then Elephant and then into Moorgate all stops. Again cut the 21 to New Cross Sainsburys. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 2, 2024 18:07:36 GMT
I'm not fussed about the money aspect but I don't think this is as brilliant as it sounds - Superloop routes should really be confined to brand new links that don't exist rather than simply plonking one on a corridor and duplicating routes already in place. By all means, stick some meaningful bus priority in along Old Kent Road but I don't see the need for this route unlike the Bakerloo extension. Also, the Labour assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich should remember that Lambeth doesn't merely consist of Waterloo only and that maybe resident's of Lewisham might like improved links to other parts of Lambeth - would like to know if he has previously lobbied for improving links between Lewisham & Lambeth (and not just Waterloo) before? No doubt Lambeth council will simply nod and agree here - they aren't fussed with fighting for their own routes anyway A more direct link between Lewisham and Brixton would be handy, or even Lewisham to Streatham. Very true, an inner London Superloop would be helpful in south London. Other potential routes include Fulham to Tooting Bec and Clapham Junction/Wandsworth to Streatham utilising parts of the South Circular Road. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2024 18:29:58 GMT
A more direct link between Lewisham and Brixton would be handy, or even Lewisham to Streatham. Very true, an inner London Superloop would be helpful in south London. Other potential routes include Fulham to Tooting Bec and Clapham Junction/Wandsworth to Streatham utilising parts of the South Circular Road. An Inner Superloop is not what we really need here though - what we need is to for our routes to stop being hacked to death and standard routes introducing new links. Lewisham to Streatham or Brixton can be achieved either via utilising existing routes or a brand new standard route personally. The South Circular has so many more hotspots than the North Circular and only has a few select dual carriageway sections which usually then run into a single lane bottleneck. Some of the existing routes already struggle using the South Circular (P4 for example). |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2024 18:33:13 GMT
I'm not fussed about the money aspect but I don't think this is as brilliant as it sounds - Superloop routes should really be confined to brand new links that don't exist rather than simply plonking one on a corridor and duplicating routes already in place. By all means, stick some meaningful bus priority in along Old Kent Road but I don't see the need for this route unlike the Bakerloo extension. Also, the Labour assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich should remember that Lambeth doesn't merely consist of Waterloo only and that maybe resident's of Lewisham might like improved links to other parts of Lambeth - would like to know if he has previously lobbied for improving links between Lewisham & Lambeth (and not just Waterloo) before? No doubt Lambeth council will simply nod and agree here - they aren't fussed with fighting for their own routes anyway Yes new links but also should be considered for routes where maybe their length means they should now admit defeat and accept a regular route is viable as happened with the 207/607 and 140/X140 and to a degree the 68/X68. Again as I suggested before an X53 from PD, Woolwich, Charlton, Royal Standard etc then maybe 3 or 4 stops on the Old Kent Road in lieu of the Bakerloo Line extension then terminate at TSQ with the 53 possibly cut to New Cross Gate. Might be a bit to harsh of a suggestion but maybe even an X21 stopping at Lewisham Centre, Station, College, Goldsmiths, NX, then again 3 or 4 OKR stops then Elephant and then into Moorgate all stops. Again cut the 21 to New Cross Sainsburys. The X140 & 607 have the advantage though of running on corridors where roads are either wide, priority is in place or some of the corridor is not too congested. A X53 or X21 doesn't have that luxury IMO and I don't really trust them to make either route work through priority measures - what happened to the traffic lights that were meant to let buses through in order to speed them up? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2024 18:47:33 GMT
Yes new links but also should be considered for routes where maybe their length means they should now admit defeat and accept a regular route is viable as happened with the 207/607 and 140/X140 and to a degree the 68/X68. Again as I suggested before an X53 from PD, Woolwich, Charlton, Royal Standard etc then maybe 3 or 4 stops on the Old Kent Road in lieu of the Bakerloo Line extension then terminate at TSQ with the 53 possibly cut to New Cross Gate. Might be a bit to harsh of a suggestion but maybe even an X21 stopping at Lewisham Centre, Station, College, Goldsmiths, NX, then again 3 or 4 OKR stops then Elephant and then into Moorgate all stops. Again cut the 21 to New Cross Sainsburys. The X140 & 607 have the advantage though of running on corridors where roads are either wide, priority is in place or some of the corridor is not too congested. A X53 or X21 doesn't have that luxury IMO and I don't really trust them to make either route work through priority measures - what happened to the traffic lights that were meant to let buses through in order to speed them up? I think they got lost somewhere in the mist unfortunately. |
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Post by londonbusbro on Apr 15, 2024 9:11:55 GMT
A more direct link between Lewisham and Brixton would be handy, or even Lewisham to Streatham. The P13 being the only bus from Streatham going in the Dulwich/Peckham direction is awful as there is so much potential for onwards connections . So unreliable, indirect and the Enviro200s are quite small, they crawl up any incline and hold up traffic as they accelerate at a snails pace… not sure if I’m unlucky and just end up with the worst of the batch! someone who agrees with me. every time i want to go to peckham from tulse hill and get on the P13 and everytime it has to go the most stupid route. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 13, 2024 16:25:24 GMT
So I finally got around to riding the SL10, SL1 & SL2 today - loadings were decent for the holiday time without being very busy or rammed but I'm not impressed with the fact two of the three routes had regulation happening - this shouldn't occur on limited stop routes. The SL10 had no regulation but the driver was behaving at times as if he was driving a regular 183, letting everything and anything go in front and driving at middling speed. Not as bad as the SL1 & SL2 though - driver regulated twice on the SL1 (at Crooked Billet, Walthamstow Avenue and the penultimate stop, Walthamstow Market) though at least the SL1 driver wasn't slow for most the journey until we hit Walthamstow Avenue where they drove far slower than the 50mph it is. The SL2 was worse - driver regulated at Waltham Forest Town Hall, then piddled along until Woodford Avenue, picked up speed from there to Barking and then started easing off on the A406 before crawling to Woolwich Ferry.
Also, I do think the SL1 needs a couple of changes to it's stops - I think Crooked Billet, Walthamstow Avenue should be dropped given buses stop at Crooked Billet Roundabout which provides much better interchange with other buses and I think the second stop in North Finchley is completely unnecessary given how close it is to the first stop at North Finchley Bus Station. I also think they need to put a stop in for North Middlesex Hospital. As for the SL2, they really to sort out the situation surrounding the Armada Way stops as well.
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Post by towerman on Aug 13, 2024 16:54:44 GMT
Forest Road is 20mph all the way to Waterworks corner.
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