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Post by redbus on May 28, 2022 20:55:49 GMT
And even the 328 renumbering to 31? It's sort of a spin-off from the old 31 anyway. We could almost be in a situation where the old 28 and 31 have simply swapped norther routings, Chelsea to Golders Green and Wandsworth to Camden Town. Its probably to save confusion with the loss of the White City section which is why the 31 number is likely to go and the 328 remain as it is. We will have to wait and see what is in the consultation, but I would not be shocked if the Kilburn - Golders Green section of the 328 is axed and not replaced. The 328 could be sent to Camden Town and the 28 left as is. Wandsworth - Camden Town or Wandsworth - Golders Green might be considered too long. For those who travel on the 328 to Golders Green, they simply continue on the 328 to Abbey Road / Belsize Road and change to the 139 all at no extra cost with the hopper fare! I am not saying it is a cut I approve of, just that it would not surprise me if TfL did it. |
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Post by ServerKing on May 28, 2022 23:28:52 GMT
Want to see the 12 returned to Croydon and the 312 renumbered at next tender! A chance to make history right! The irony that people talk about finances but then want to renumber all sorts of bus routes, glad you got your priorities right 🙄 LOL but it's better than when they waste money, twice on poor branding schemes done in house on Office97 by an intern  The gaps appearing shows that it needs sorting out. Even in low range numbers it will soon be 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,11... not even thinking about loss of the 48, 82 and countless others. Too much hangs on tradition, so at some point it should be looked into to have a re organisation. Talk of extending the 41 to Angel through some of North London's most congested streets, I'll have what they're drinking  |
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Post by Green Kitten on May 29, 2022 10:22:13 GMT
I don’t think numbering of routes is much of a blip compared to the savings they intend to make with those changes - new blinds, timetables and maps will need to be produced anyway (and e-tiles can be reused for the most part).
To be honest most major cities have gaps in their bus route numbers anyway.
Paris starts from bus route 20 (done to not be confused with metro line numbers) - and there is no route 23, 33, 34, 36 and 37 - and plenty more gaps further on. Je n’aime ça pas beaucoup.
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Post by TB123 on May 29, 2022 10:27:52 GMT
We could almost be in a situation where the old 28 and 31 have simply swapped norther routings, Chelsea to Golders Green and Wandsworth to Camden Town. Its probably to save confusion with the loss of the White City section which is why the 31 number is likely to go and the 328 remain as it is. We will have to wait and see what is in the consultation, but I would not be shocked if the Kilburn - Golders Green section of the 328 is axed and not replaced. The 328 could be sent to Camden Town and the 28 left as is. Wandsworth - Camden Town or Wandsworth - Golders Green might be considered too long. For those who travel on the 328 to Golders Green, they simply continue on the 328 to Abbey Road / Belsize Road and change to the 139 all at no extra cost with the hopper fare! I am not saying it is a cut I approve of, just that it would not surprise me if TfL did it. My money is on the 28 becoming Wandsworth to West Hampstead, 328 becoming Clapham Jcn to Camden (replacing C3) |
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Post by WH241 on May 29, 2022 10:28:32 GMT
I don’t think numbering of routes is much of a blip compared to the savings they intend to make with those changes - new blinds, timetables and maps will need to be produced anyway (and e-tiles can be reused for the most part). Should the 388 be rerouted again I think it really would deserve a new number! Never has a route been changed as much as the 388! |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 29, 2022 10:37:42 GMT
I don’t think numbering of routes is much of a blip compared to the savings they intend to make with those changes - new blinds, timetables and maps will need to be produced anyway (and e-tiles can be reused for the most part). Should the 388 be rerouted again I think it really would deserve a new number! Never has a route been changed as much as the 388! Could do a 'new' 48 route that takes in part of the current 388, 242 or 78 or whatever ofcourse the plan is. Hard to believe this November will be 3 years since the 388 diverted to LB. |
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Post by DT 11 on May 29, 2022 10:45:48 GMT
I don’t think numbering of routes is much of a blip compared to the savings they intend to make with those changes - new blinds, timetables and maps will need to be produced anyway (and e-tiles can be reused for the most part). To be honest most major cities have gaps in their bus route numbers anyway. Paris starts from bus route 20 (done to not be confused with metro line numbers) - and there is no route 23, 33, 34, 36 and 37 - and plenty more gaps further on. Je n’aime ça pas beaucoup. One thing I liked about the London Network is at one point 1-217 only had 1 gap and that was 84  . After the 218 began then it was up to 238 Overall I cannot imagine the network without 11 12 and many other 2 digit numbers missing. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on May 29, 2022 10:50:55 GMT
To be honest, I'd restructure all routes to be between 1 and 500, with the rest as letters. My list: (to be edited later when I have a few more ideas)
1: Hampstead Heath to Canada Water
2: Crystal Palace to Marylebone (current N2 (which would be extended to Anerley))
3: Penge to Oxford Circus (part of N3)
4: Blackfriars Station to Muswell Hill (via 43/134 from Archway)
5: Romford Market to Canning Town
6: Brent Park Superstores to Aldwych
7: Oxford Circus to Acton, High Street
8: Marble Arch to Stratford Bus Station
9: Turnham Green Church to Aldwych
10: Hammersmith Grove to King's Cross (old routing plus little part of 27)
11: Hammersmith, Bus Station to Liverpool Street (if not split)
12: Dulwich, The Plough to Oxford Circus
13: North Finchley to Victoria
14: Putney Heath, Green Man to Russell Square
15: Canning Town Bus Station to Paddington Basin
16: Cricklewood, Bus Garage to Victoria Bus Station
17: Highgate Village to London Bridge (via 17 and 271)
18: King's Cross to Sudbury Town (switch termini with 204)
19: Clapham Junction to Finsbury Park (344 stand used)
20: Debden to Walthamstow, St James Street
21: Newington Green to Lewisham Shopping Centre
22: Castelnau, Lonsdale Road to Oxford Circus
23: Liverpool Street to Westbourne Park Bus Garage
24: Pimlico to Hampstead Heath
25: Oxford Circus to Ilford
26: Walthamstow Central to Waterloo
27: Chiswick Business Park to Chalk Farm, Morrisons
28: Camden Town to Wandsworth (replaces N28 and made 24hr)
29: Trafalgar Square to Wood Green Bus Garage
30: Lancaster Gate to Hackney Wick
31: White City to Golders Green (withdrawn between Chalk Farm and Camden Town and re-routed via N5)
32: Paddington to Edgware
33: Fulwell Bus Garage to Hammersmith Bus Station
34: Barnet Hospital to Walthamstow
35: Clapham Junction to Shoreditch
36: Kensal Rise to New Cross Bus Garage
37: Putney, Green Man to Peckham Bus Station
38: Clapton Pond to Victoria
39: Clapham Junction to Putney Bridge Station
40: Clerkenwell Green to Dulwich, The Plough
41: Walthamstow Central to Archway (via Blackhorse Road and St James St stations)
42: East Dulwich, Sainsbury's to Liverpool Street
43: London Bridge to Friern Barnet
44: Mitcham to Victoria
45: Kings Cross Station to Clapham Park, Atkins Road
46: Paddington to Smithfield, Barts Hospital
47: Shoreditch to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage
48: Whipps Cross to London Bridge
49: White City to Clapham Junction
50: Stockwell Station to Croydon, Fairfield Halls
51: Orpington Station to Woolwich Arsenal Bus Station
52: Willesden Bus Garage to Victoria
53: Piccadilly Circus to Plumstead Station
54: Elmers End to Woolwich Public Market
55: Oxford Circus to Walthamstow Central
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Post by vjaska on May 29, 2022 11:32:06 GMT
To be honest, I'd restructure all routes to be between 1 and 500, with the rest as letters. My list: (to be edited later when I have a few more ideas)
1: Hampstead Heath to Canada Water
2: Crystal Palace to Marylebone (current N2)
3: Penge to Oxford Circus (part of N3)
4: Blackfriars Station to Muswell Hill (via 43/134 from Archway)
5: Romford Market to Canning Town
6: Brent Park Superstores to Aldwych
7: Oxford Circus to Acton, High StreetI take it your removing the 432? If so, I instantly dislike your proposal. The 432 provides valuable assistance along the corridor as well as a reliable link to Palace that doesn’t come all the way from Central London. The 2 even in the 90’s never had through journeys during the week except Sundays with services operating in overlapping sections. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on May 29, 2022 11:39:58 GMT
To be honest, I'd restructure all routes to be between 1 and 500, with the rest as letters. My list: (to be edited later when I have a few more ideas)
1: Hampstead Heath to Canada Water
2: Crystal Palace to Marylebone (current N2)
3: Penge to Oxford Circus (part of N3)
4: Blackfriars Station to Muswell Hill (via 43/134 from Archway)
5: Romford Market to Canning Town
6: Brent Park Superstores to Aldwych
7: Oxford Circus to Acton, High StreetI take it your removing the 432? If so, I instantly dislike your proposal. The 432 provides valuable assistance along the corridor as well as a reliable link to Palace that doesn’t come all the way from Central London. The 2 even in the 90’s never had through journeys during the week except Sundays with services operating in overlapping sections. No, the 432 is being kept and is being extended to Clapham Common, however I am considering ridding of the 417 due to this. It would not make sense to have 4 Crystal Palace routes all terminating from Clapham Common |
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Post by redbus on May 29, 2022 12:13:55 GMT
We will have to wait and see what is in the consultation, but I would not be shocked if the Kilburn - Golders Green section of the 328 is axed and not replaced. The 328 could be sent to Camden Town and the 28 left as is. Wandsworth - Camden Town or Wandsworth - Golders Green might be considered too long. For those who travel on the 328 to Golders Green, they simply continue on the 328 to Abbey Road / Belsize Road and change to the 139 all at no extra cost with the hopper fare! I am not saying it is a cut I approve of, just that it would not surprise me if TfL did it. My money is on the 28 becoming Wandsworth to West Hampstead, 328 becoming Clapham Jcn to Camden (replacing C3) Sounds quite reasonable assuming the routes are not too long. One concern would be the stand at West Hampstead, it might need buses which are on the shorter side to enable two buses to be accommodated on stand. |
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Post by vjaska on May 29, 2022 13:12:37 GMT
I take it your removing the 432? If so, I instantly dislike your proposal. The 432 provides valuable assistance along the corridor as well as a reliable link to Palace that doesn’t come all the way from Central London. The 2 even in the 90’s never had through journeys during the week except Sundays with services operating in overlapping sections. No, the 432 is being kept and is being extended to Clapham Common, however I am considering ridding of the 417 due to this. It would not make sense to have 4 Crystal Palace routes all terminating from Clapham Common Spoken as someone with no idea about the routes or area in question. Crystal Palace has three routes to Clapham Common for various reasons - the 417 is the one used for direct end to end journeys because it’s the most direct whilst the others are used to link various places up. The 249 shares a minuscule piece of routing with the 417 at Crown Point but otherwise they all keep out of each other’s way whilst the 432 provides the sufficient capacity for the Tulse Hill & West Norwood corridor alongside the 2 & 415 so I stand by my original comment on thoroughly disliking it. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 29, 2022 13:14:23 GMT
My money is on the 28 becoming Wandsworth to West Hampstead, 328 becoming Clapham Jcn to Camden (replacing C3) Sounds quite reasonable assuming the routes are not too long. One concern would be the stand at West Hampstead, it might need buses which are on the shorter side to enable two buses to be accommodated on stand. I think the last buses on the 139 when it terminated there were TEHs. |
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Post by vjaska on May 29, 2022 13:16:09 GMT
My money is on the 28 becoming Wandsworth to West Hampstead, 328 becoming Clapham Jcn to Camden (replacing C3) Sounds quite reasonable assuming the routes are not too long. One concern would be the stand at West Hampstead, it might need buses which are on the shorter side to enable two buses to be accommodated on stand. The 28 & 328 are already slogs given they traverse the busy Earls Court one way system and the 28 also has to suffer Fulham Broadway - congestion is pretty heavy on these sections. I’d very much worry about the 28 in particular |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on May 29, 2022 13:16:31 GMT
No, the 432 is being kept and is being extended to Clapham Common, however I am considering ridding of the 417 due to this. It would not make sense to have 4 Crystal Palace routes all terminating from Clapham Common Spoken as someone with no idea about the routes or area in question. Crystal Palace has three routes to Clapham Common for various reasons - the 417 is the one used for direct end to end journeys because it’s the most direct whilst the others are used to link various places up. The 249 shares a minuscule piece of routing with the 417 at Crown Point but otherwise they all keep out of each other’s way whilst the 432 provides the sufficient capacity for the Tulse Hill & West Norwood corridor alongside the 2 & 415 so I stand by my original comment on thoroughly disliking it. The withdrawal of 417 was just a thought, but it seems to be very important and better left alone |
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. After the 218 began then it was up to 238 