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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 23, 2022 16:56:07 GMT
Like driverless tube trains, this isn't going to happen. Too costly to implement and does nothing to address the real problem, which is the harm caused to cyclists and pedestrians by motorised vehicles. This is just Grant Shapps playing to the gallery again. Also the government have higher priorities to deal with so this isn't a significant issue, nor breaking news. What's more likely to be on their mind is solving the cost of living crisis and this will not help. It just serves as a distraction to the government over more important issues we face in our country But it an issue, think of how many are sent to A&E every year having been injured by cyclists? Imagine if everyone of them can’t then work, has to be signed off long term and is then stuck on benefits all whilst the cyclist has zero responsibility because there is no law against dangerous cycling. It’s a serious issue which as cycling grows year on year because of the cost of living crisis needs to be dealt with. It should have been done after the Olympics in 2012 when cycling exploded in the UK. It will be a welcome decision to ensure cyclists are held culpable for their actions. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 23, 2022 17:06:04 GMT
I am hoping not because other while it will embarrassing as this only country to have it in the world where no other country is doing that. I do understand that good work but it cost lots of money and how do you focus the kids to have number plates on the bike? I believe North Korea already requires bicycles to have licence plates, though not sure about the insurance aspect. The cyclists themselves must also be licensed. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 23, 2022 17:28:42 GMT
How can this possibly be enforced? It's reckoned that up to 15% of drivers are uninsured in some parts of London not to mention the illegal use of e-scooters that largely goes unchecked.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 23, 2022 17:40:16 GMT
Well, here's a thing. In the Daily Mail, Shapps suggested that registration plates on cycles could be introduced to identify cyclists who broke that law - yet a front-page article in the Times the same day quotes Shapps as saying: "I’m not attracted to the bureaucracy of registration plates. That would go too far.” As I said, playing to the gallery. Section 35 of the Offences Against The Person Act can be used to prosecute cyclists who kill or injure pedestrians through wanton or furious cycling. The police has the power to hand out fixed penalty notices to cyclists who commit traffic offences including riding on the footway, ignoring traffic signs and riding through red lights. So cyclists are not as unaccountable as some like to make out. road.cc/content/news/no-plans-registration-plates-insists-shapps-295349 |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 23, 2022 17:44:17 GMT
Well, here's a thing. In the Daily Mail, Shapps suggested that registration plates on cycles could be introduced to identify cyclists who broke that law - yet a front-page article in the Times the same day quotes Shapps as saying: "I’m not attracted to the bureaucracy of registration plates. That would go too far.” As I said, playing to the gallery. Section 35 of the Offences Against The Person Act can be used to prosecute cyclists who kill or injure pedestrians through wanton or furious cycling. The police has the power to hand out fixed penalty notices to cyclists who commit traffic offences including riding on the footway, ignoring traffic signs and riding through red lights. So cyclists are not as unaccountable as some like to make out. road.cc/content/news/no-plans-registration-plates-insists-shapps-295349Although they are still largely unaccountable as there is no set database of them. It's far easier for a cyclist to evade the law. Really they should be paying road tax too. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 23, 2022 17:47:43 GMT
Well, here's a thing. In the Daily Mail, Shapps suggested that registration plates on cycles could be introduced to identify cyclists who broke that law - yet a front-page article in the Times the same day quotes Shapps as saying: "I’m not attracted to the bureaucracy of registration plates. That would go too far.” As I said, playing to the gallery. Section 35 of the Offences Against The Person Act can be used to prosecute cyclists who kill or injure pedestrians through wanton or furious cycling. The police has the power to hand out fixed penalty notices to cyclists who commit traffic offences including riding on the footway, ignoring traffic signs and riding through red lights. So cyclists are not as unaccountable as some like to make out. road.cc/content/news/no-plans-registration-plates-insists-shapps-295349But that law only allows for a maximum 2 year sentence which is nothing wrong when compared to a maximum life imprisonment for motorists. Death by dangerous driving or cycling is still murder so the sentences should absolutely be comparable. Cycling like driving a car is a privilege not an absolute right so they should also accept the full consequences of their actions. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 23, 2022 18:18:37 GMT
I am hoping not because other while it will embarrassing as this only country to have it in the world where no other country is doing that. I do understand that good work but it cost lots of money and how do you focus the kids to have number plates on the bike? I believe North Korea already requires bicycles to have licence plates, though not sure about the insurance aspect. The cyclists themselves must also be licensed. Comparing us to North Korea is ludicrous! We're not a dictatorship unlike them |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 23, 2022 18:36:50 GMT
I believe North Korea already requires bicycles to have licence plates, though not sure about the insurance aspect. The cyclists themselves must also be licensed. Comparing us to North Korea is ludicrous! We're not a dictatorship unlike them Where is the comparison? It’s true, North Korea is currently the only country requiring license plates for bicycles. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 23, 2022 19:17:13 GMT
I actually think food delivery motorbikes are becoming a worse menace that cycles! They cut you up on the nearside drive along cycle lanes and are just pests!
Having said that electric peddle bikes are getting dangerous and can get up to some dangerous speeds. |
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 23, 2022 20:18:48 GMT
Comparing us to North Korea is ludicrous! We're not a dictatorship unlike them Where is the comparison? It’s true, North Korea is currently the only country requiring license plates for bicycles. We seem to be going that way with plans to label people who criticize the government as extremists 😂 but back to the cycling whilst cyclists can be a pain this is a bit of a out there idea , would be very hard to police and as others have said for children etc would create a lot of issues however with the move to more micro mobility e scooters and e bikes and the like some sort of registering scheme wouldn't be a bad idea and I think the speed limit thing should definitely be a law and breaking highway code rules should be enforced so I'm 50/50 , however this seems to me to be just throwing some red meat as it were to conservative supporters be very surprised if this were to happen . |
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 23, 2022 20:30:54 GMT
I actually think food delivery motorbikes are becoming a worse menace that cycles! They cut you up on the nearside drive along cycle lanes and are just pests!
Having said that electric peddle bikes are getting dangerous and can get up to some dangerous speeds. One particular annoyance I’ve noticed recently is the Zoom by Ocado people who think they have the right to ride extremely fast along pavements with their massive bikes, had to dodge out the way of at least two of them. I get the idea of fast groceries but that doesn’t mean you can put pedestrians and motorists in danger |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 23, 2022 20:37:58 GMT
Where is the comparison? It’s true, North Korea is currently the only country requiring license plates for bicycles. We seem to be going that way with plans to label people who criticize the government as extremists 😂 but back to the cycling whilst cyclists can be a pain this is a bit of a out there idea , would be very hard to police and as others have said for children etc would create a lot of issues however with the move to more micro mobility e scooters and e bikes and the like some sort of registering scheme wouldn't be a bad idea and I think the speed limit thing should definitely be a law and breaking highway code rules should be enforced so I'm 50/50 , however this seems to me to be just throwing some red meat as it were to conservative supporters be very surprised if this were to happen . It could easily be enforced if the government partnered with retailers on the ground level. So at the time of purchase you would have to provide contact details, name, address and email address, which could then be passed to a national database which would automatically send out correspondence to enforce registration. Similar to how in Argos they used to ask you if you had a tv license before selling you a tv, they don’t anymore. Then slap a £1000 fine on failure to comply and it would spread amongst the majority. It wouldn’t need the police to intervene until the very last stage, if at all. If the majority comply, the minority would be easy to capture. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 23, 2022 21:30:01 GMT
I actually think food delivery motorbikes are becoming a worse menace that cycles! They cut you up on the nearside drive along cycle lanes and are just pests!
Having said that electric peddle bikes are getting dangerous and can get up to some dangerous speeds. Any motorised vehicle that can exceed 15mph, is classified as a motor vehicle, so legally requires registering, insurancing, and annual testing. But this is just flouted by the majority of users. There is also a power limit, but can't recall it at the moment. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 23, 2022 23:08:29 GMT
I disagree with this idea because it is silly! This is just pushing people away from cycling especially when some people do it to commute to work or for leisure which saves money. It will force more people into cars and public transport. Insurance is way too costly whilst having a number plate looks silly and is too much of a faff. Hope this doesn't actually take place... I think you need to re-read your comment - where's the negative of pushing more people on public transport whether it's from cycling or elsewhere? That's a benefit not a negative. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 23, 2022 23:16:51 GMT
Comparing us to North Korea is ludicrous! We're not a dictatorship unlike them Where is the comparison? It’s true, North Korea is currently the only country requiring license plates for bicycles. The comparison is the idea that we could have the same laws as North Korea if we did implement license plates for cyclists. However it would look embarrassing since no other country does it apart from them |
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