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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2022 14:34:32 GMT
Will be interesting to see if less people cycle when the new pricing on Santander bike hire starts next month. Well in a glorious summer If cycle ridership didn’t go up i very much doubt the pleasant conditions in November will attract much people I go past the cycle lanes on woolwich road, bank / thread needle street / old broad street / bishopsgate Monday - Thursday. Barely any cyclists on any of them |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 24, 2022 14:46:25 GMT
There's two sides to this discussion - yes cyclists behave recklessly but so do drivers and even pedestrians crossing the road when there is a red man. One thing that is irritating is when cyclists are riding whilst using a phone, it's quite dangerous and is like a driver using their phone So surely this is a case for requiring insurance and registration. The ones which abide by the law have nothing to worry about. Not really, other countries like the USA tried this scheme which was unsuccessful. It will be difficult to enforce like how are you going to expect a kid to have a number plate on their bike? Yes I know they won't be riding on the road but it still seems a bit crazy. Also with the cost of living crisis people will want to avoid driving where possible so this insurance/registration thing might put people off cycling which is ludicrous when people need to save money in times of crisis. |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 24, 2022 18:12:28 GMT
I think you're the one flogging a dead horse, obviously there's more cyclists about in the nice weather but a lot of people do still cycle in adverse weather conditions. And many people are just opposed to buses and see them as nothing more than a nuisance and question the justification for bus lanes. Less people cycle than use the bus by a significant percentage. On that basis what justification is there for cycle lanes? They are the biggest nuisance! There really needs to be a London referendum on road usage. And if cars are rejected, do we get rid of lanes for them… There is space for all modes of transport that use the roads. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2022 8:46:08 GMT
I am hoping not because other while it will embarrassing as this only country to have it in the world where no other country is doing that. I do understand that good work but it cost lots of money and how do you focus the kids to have number plates on the bike? Unfortunately there is a strong cycling lobby in the UK that does not believe highway laws apply to them. Currently it is virtually impossible to race a cyclist breaking the law. It is a case of you abused the system, so now you need to comply. I fully support this proposal ... and enjoy seeing Will Norman all upset! May the latter long continue. I agree, cyclists are a menace to society, 90% of them are reckless could not give a hoot and always expect others to correct their mistakes. A lot of road deaths would also be avoided if some of these cyclists use their brains. It is all about preventative measures. The same way if you drive a car and use these measures you would not end up in accidents. I am also sick of seeing incompetent idiots driving on the road causing pathetic accidents causing road closures. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2022 8:48:58 GMT
I think you fail to realise the harm caused to cyclists is ridiculous behaviour by the cyclist as opposed to motorised vehicles. Most times the cyclist is at fault. The people I know who have been injured while cycling would disagree with you. Maybe some of them were wearing rose tinted glasses. I am sorry but I have seen far too many accidents on the road caused by cyclists. Especially the lycra lout brigade. They are almost as bad as the pizza delivery mopeds. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2022 8:53:24 GMT
Also the government have higher priorities to deal with so this isn't a significant issue, nor breaking news. What's more likely to be on their mind is solving the cost of living crisis and this will not help. It just serves as a distraction to the government over more important issues we face in our country But it an issue, think of how many are sent to A&E every year having been injured by cyclists? Imagine if everyone of them can’t then work, has to be signed off long term and is then stuck on benefits all whilst the cyclist has zero responsibility because there is no law against dangerous cycling. It’s a serious issue which as cycling grows year on year because of the cost of living crisis needs to be dealt with. It should have been done after the Olympics in 2012 when cycling exploded in the UK. It will be a welcome decision to ensure cyclists are held culpable for their actions. I was nearly hit by one near Holborn recently near Kingsway. This idiot decided to proceed at speed through a traffic light that was red at least 20 seconds before he approached it and I was walking across on a pedestrian green phase. I had to stop and move back. If it were a partially sighted person or someone on their phone he would have been straight into them. If a motorist was going through a red light like that 20 seconds after there would be severe consequences. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2022 8:58:13 GMT
I actually think food delivery motorbikes are becoming a worse menace that cycles! They cut you up on the nearside drive along cycle lanes and are just pests!
Having said that electric peddle bikes are getting dangerous and can get up to some dangerous speeds. They have been a menace since the 90's when many used to get a job with Pizza Hut to get to drive a moped and licence. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2022 9:04:38 GMT
Of course people will get angry when there's fools on the road that really shouldn't be. Cycling is only really a nice summer activity. For sustainable methods of transport we need to invest in Electric and Hydrogen vehicles. I reckon what's also increased anger is the cycle priority lanes/traffic lights which in many places are implemented as the cost of removing bus lanes...one of the first examples i remember being the stretch between Oval and Vauxhall which was beforehand a breeze of a drive when i used to do the 185. If i was still doing that route when that bike priority was introduced i certainly wouldn't be generally happy about it to say the least. Or like what Waltham Forest done on Lea Bridge road removing bus lanes which has affected the 48, 55, 56. The doing the same on Forest Road affecting the 123 and 230. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2022 9:06:44 GMT
Of course people will get angry when there's fools on the road that really shouldn't be. Cycling is only really a nice summer activity. For sustainable methods of transport we need to invest in Electric and Hydrogen vehicles. There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. I very much doubt it, they definitely do not have a full car licence, maybe a provisional. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 29, 2022 9:16:25 GMT
There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. It won't be, London is nowhere near a city with top 20 any kind of transport links ... if you have Victorian infrastructure you show no aim in changing, you are bound by the restrictions it imposes. Even supposedly 3rd World countries have better designed cities than London. Have you seen how wide roads in the majority of cities outside the UK are? London roads were designed for the horse and cart ... is it any wonder we struggle! From previous quotes on here, there appears little appetite to change things. Welcome to 3rd world Britian. There has been decades of lack of planning and under investment. It would require something monumental now for London to become the forefront of transportation again. Anyone that thinks a road system built for the horse and cart is fit for the purpose of a 21st century transport system is a fool! But then many other cities outside of London has the same problem. You cannot blame it on Victorian or horse and cart era. You go to places in France, Spain etc and they have huge roads going through the city. Our problem has always been being tight penny pinchers using excuses not to do road building etc. Then even when we do, they are small and inadequate. It is a shame a lot of the ringways plan did not happen, this would have stopped many of the silly congestion points we have in London today. We now have gone further backwards by narrowing roads which create more accidents and dangerous pinch points. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 29, 2022 9:24:48 GMT
It won't be, London is nowhere near a city with top 20 any kind of transport links ... if you have Victorian infrastructure you show no aim in changing, you are bound by the restrictions it imposes. Even supposedly 3rd World countries have better designed cities than London. Have you seen how wide roads in the majority of cities outside the UK are? London roads were designed for the horse and cart ... is it any wonder we struggle! From previous quotes on here, there appears little appetite to change things. Welcome to 3rd world Britian. There has been decades of lack of planning and under investment. It would require something monumental now for London to become the forefront of transportation again. Anyone that thinks a road system built for the horse and cart is fit for the purpose of a 21st century transport system is a fool! But then many other cities outside of London has the same problem. You cannot blame it on Victorian or horse and cart era. You go to places in France, Spain etc and they have huge roads going through the city. Our problem has always been being tight penny pinchers using excuses not to do road building etc. Then even when we do, they are small and inadequate. It is a shame a lot of the ringways plan did not happen, this would have stopped many of the silly congestion points we have in London today. We now have gone further backwards by narrowing roads which create more accidents and dangerous pinch points. Any sort of investment in this country takes forever to complete, and has too many hurdles in the way. The minute something big needs to be built, you have protestors turning up claiming it's ruining the environment. Take HS2 for example, the environmentalists keep protesting against it, but what else do they want? Everyone to fly around the UK instead? The mess put on by Avanti is already giving British Airways a field day on flights to and from Manchester. Was in Barcelona recently, and while cyclists have their place in that city. The wide roads mean traffic is nowhere near of an issue as it is here. Buses are almost always consistently moving and the Metro there is maintained very well and is given good funding to keep growing. You'd never manage that in London as for a start they'd never widen a road, even if it will help. Then nobody actually wants to give the tube and buses any proper funding at all to help cope. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 29, 2022 10:04:09 GMT
The people I know who have been injured while cycling would disagree with you. Maybe some of them were wearing rose tinted glasses. I am sorry but I have seen far too many accidents on the road caused by cyclists. Especially the lycra lout brigade. They are almost as bad as the pizza delivery mopeds. Or maybe you're wearing the rose tinted specs? 🤣 And this 'lycra lout' tag is stereotyping a bit. It's reckoned that most adult cyclists also hold driving licences and I can't imagine they go from being louts to law abiding citizens when they get into a car. I do agree with you though about pizza delivering mopeds, often their driving standards are appalling. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 29, 2022 10:26:42 GMT
Maybe some of them were wearing rose tinted glasses. I am sorry but I have seen far too many accidents on the road caused by cyclists. Especially the lycra lout brigade. They are almost as bad as the pizza delivery mopeds. Or maybe you're wearing the rose tinted specs? 🤣 And this 'lycra lout' tag is stereotyping a bit. It's reckoned that most adult cyclists also hold driving licences and I can't imagine they go from being louts to law abiding citizens when they get into a car. I do agree with you though about pizza delivering mopeds, often their driving standards are appalling. Pretty much anyone on the road no matter what vehicle they drive can be a menace, especially regarding crossing red lights, not just cyclists but mopeds do it a lot, so do cars (sometimes 2 or more in a row), trucks too |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 29, 2022 10:51:12 GMT
Or maybe you're wearing the rose tinted specs? 🤣 And this 'lycra lout' tag is stereotyping a bit. It's reckoned that most adult cyclists also hold driving licences and I can't imagine they go from being louts to law abiding citizens when they get into a car. I do agree with you though about pizza delivering mopeds, often their driving standards are appalling. Pretty much anyone on the road no matter what vehicle they drive can be a menace, especially regarding crossing red lights, not just cyclists but mopeds do it a lot, so do cars (sometimes 2 or more in a row), trucks too Although cars don't often ride on the pavement when doing so. |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 29, 2022 10:53:28 GMT
But it an issue, think of how many are sent to A&E every year having been injured by cyclists? Imagine if everyone of them can’t then work, has to be signed off long term and is then stuck on benefits all whilst the cyclist has zero responsibility because there is no law against dangerous cycling. It’s a serious issue which as cycling grows year on year because of the cost of living crisis needs to be dealt with. It should have been done after the Olympics in 2012 when cycling exploded in the UK. It will be a welcome decision to ensure cyclists are held culpable for their actions. I was nearly hit by one near Holborn recently near Kingsway. This idiot decided to proceed at speed through a traffic light that was red at least 20 seconds before he approached it and I was walking across on a pedestrian green phase. I had to stop and move back. If it were a partially sighted person or someone on their phone he would have been straight into them. If a motorist was going through a red light like that 20 seconds after there would be severe consequences. I have 2 friends who over the years have ended up in hospital with broken legs after being hit by a cyclist (who needless to say didn’t stop!). I once almost got hit by a cyclist while already on the pedestrian crossing in front of the B&Q in Greenwich (the one next to ikea - on the bus onky portion) when a 180 had already stopped for me but mr. Cyclist clearly thought his time was too valuable) I was driving to battersea last Wednesday and in one signal alone in Peckham 3 cyclists went through a red light. The first one almost hitting a lady with a pram and having to swerve in front of my car; if he had damaged the car in any way I would have had a brawl with him! The second one just cycled on as if there was nothing else in the world apart from her. The 3rd one came, had a look and just went through One signal, 3 cyclists - expand statistically and you get a sense of the problem. |
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