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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 24, 2022 11:52:36 GMT
There's two sides to this discussion - yes cyclists behave recklessly but so do drivers and even pedestrians crossing the road when there is a red man. One thing that is irritating is when cyclists are riding whilst using a phone, it's quite dangerous and is like a driver using their phone So surely this is a case for requiring insurance and registration. The ones which abide by the law have nothing to worry about. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 24, 2022 11:56:56 GMT
There's two sides to this discussion - yes cyclists behave recklessly but so do drivers and even pedestrians crossing the road when there is a red man. One thing that is irritating is when cyclists are riding whilst using a phone, it's quite dangerous and is like a driver using their phone So surely this is a case for requiring insurance and registration. The ones which abide by the law have nothing to worry about. I see Car drivers on their phones more than Cyclists, but yes they do use them too. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 24, 2022 12:01:06 GMT
How do we know other coutries are not coming up with similar plans which happen to yet be announced? Switzerland, Argentina and some US cities have tried in the past, without success. The only place where cycling registration has persisted is North Korea. The level of anger (yes, anger) shown towards cyclists on this forum, and in the media generally, is worrying. A study in Australia has linked increasing anti-cycling media coverage to increased aggression towards cyclists on the road. That doesn't benefit anyone. As a pedestrian, the biggest danger I should face is motorists yet from my experiences, it’s actually cyclists (and e scooters) who are causing the biggest danger towards me. The amount of times one of these has nearly knocked me over is actually probably on a par with motorists believe it or not which suggests that as well as having many idiotic motorists, we have a similar number of cyclists by the looks of it - the difference here is one group is accountable (motorists) whilst cyclists are less so when incidents occur. I’ve also been abused by several cyclists who refused to acknowledge me crossing on the green man and nearly knocked me down yet have also had a small number who have not created a danger towards me & other pedestrians by following the rules of the road. The point I’m making is we can’t paint motorists as wreckless, dangerous individuals and then subsequently paint all cyclists as angels just as much as the reverse as the narrative is then simply being skewed. I will dare say if cycling infrastructure was implemented differently & a number of cyclists did follow the rules more so, I think opinions on cycling would be different. Just to clarify, I’m not anti cycling, it has obvious benefits but equally, I can completely understand the comments of others and the drawbacks they raise and they should be taken more seriously than they are |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2022 12:35:56 GMT
There's two sides to this discussion - yes cyclists behave recklessly but so do drivers and even pedestrians crossing the road when there is a red man. One thing that is irritating is when cyclists are riding whilst using a phone, it's quite dangerous and is like a driver using their phone I've seen a few cyclists on the phone but more common to see drivers illegally using phones although it has dropped considerably since harsher penalties were introduced. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2022 12:46:04 GMT
London is being made more suitable for cyclists as are a lot of cities around the world, not much that can be done to change the weather though. Yes, as the weather can't be changed you're flogging a dead horse! All well and good in the sun, but how many cyclists do you see in December and January? Is it worth ripping out bus lanes for them just for a couple of weeks in the summer? I think you're the one flogging a dead horse, obviously there's more cyclists about in the nice weather but a lot of people do still cycle in adverse weather conditions. And many people are just opposed to buses and see them as nothing more than a nuisance and question the justification for bus lanes. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 24, 2022 12:46:33 GMT
Of course people will get angry when there's fools on the road that really shouldn't be. Cycling is only really a nice summer activity. For sustainable methods of transport we need to invest in Electric and Hydrogen vehicles. There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. It won't be, London is nowhere near a city with top 20 any kind of transport links ... if you have Victorian infrastructure you show no aim in changing, you are bound by the restrictions it imposes. Even supposedly 3rd World countries have better designed cities than London. Have you seen how wide roads in the majority of cities outside the UK are? London roads were designed for the horse and cart ... is it any wonder we struggle! From previous quotes on here, there appears little appetite to change things. Welcome to 3rd world Britian. There has been decades of lack of planning and under investment. It would require something monumental now for London to become the forefront of transportation again. Anyone that thinks a road system built for the horse and cart is fit for the purpose of a 21st century transport system is a fool! |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 24, 2022 12:50:04 GMT
Yes, as the weather can't be changed you're flogging a dead horse! All well and good in the sun, but how many cyclists do you see in December and January? Is it worth ripping out bus lanes for them just for a couple of weeks in the summer? I think you're the one flogging a dead horse, obviously there's more cyclists about in the nice weather but a lot of people do still cycle in adverse weather conditions. And many people are just opposed to buses and see them as nothing more than a nuisance and question the justification for bus lanes. I'm sure more people use buses than cycle |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 24, 2022 12:59:25 GMT
Yes, as the weather can't be changed you're flogging a dead horse! All well and good in the sun, but how many cyclists do you see in December and January? Is it worth ripping out bus lanes for them just for a couple of weeks in the summer? I think you're the one flogging a dead horse, obviously there's more cyclists about in the nice weather but a lot of people do still cycle in adverse weather conditions. And many people are just opposed to buses and see them as nothing more than a nuisance and question the justification for bus lanes. Less people cycle than use the bus by a significant percentage. On that basis what justification is there for cycle lanes? They are the biggest nuisance! There really needs to be a London referendum on road usage. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2022 13:05:30 GMT
I think you're the one flogging a dead horse, obviously there's more cyclists about in the nice weather but a lot of people do still cycle in adverse weather conditions. And many people are just opposed to buses and see them as nothing more than a nuisance and question the justification for bus lanes. Less people cycle than use the bus by a significant percentage. On that basis what justification is there for cycle lanes? They are the biggest nuisance! There really needs to be a London referendum on road usage. To most people it probably doesn't matter whether they are bus or cycle lanes, either way they can't use them. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 24, 2022 13:06:43 GMT
Less people cycle than use the bus by a significant percentage. On that basis what justification is there for cycle lanes? They are the biggest nuisance! There really needs to be a London referendum on road usage. To most people it probably doesn't matter whether they are bus or cycle lanes, either way they can't use them. But the point is a lot more benefit with bus priority which gets constant use all year around rather than the cycle lanes. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 24, 2022 13:06:56 GMT
Will be interesting to see if less people cycle when the new pricing on Santander bike hire starts next month.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 24, 2022 13:07:41 GMT
Less people cycle than use the bus by a significant percentage. On that basis what justification is there for cycle lanes? They are the biggest nuisance! There really needs to be a London referendum on road usage. To most people it probably doesn't matter whether they are bus or cycle lanes, either way they can't use them. At least bus lanes shift a significant number of people, rather than the odd sole occupancy contraption. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2022 13:11:14 GMT
There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. It won't be, London is nowhere near a city with top 20 any kind of transport links ... if you have Victorian infrastructure you show no aim in changing, you are bound by the restrictions it imposes. Even supposedly 3rd World countries have better designed cities than London. Have you seen how wide roads in the majority of cities outside the UK are? London roads were designed for the horse and cart ... is it any wonder we struggle! From previous quotes on here, there appears little appetite to change things. Welcome to 3rd world Britian. There has been decades of lack of planning and under investment. It would require something monumental now for London to become the forefront of transportation again. Anyone that thinks a road system built for the horse and cart is fit for the purpose of a 21st century transport system is a fool! That's what we're stuck with and there's not much likelihood of changing it without widescale demolition. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 24, 2022 13:29:42 GMT
It won't be, London is nowhere near a city with top 20 any kind of transport links ... if you have Victorian infrastructure you show no aim in changing, you are bound by the restrictions it imposes. Even supposedly 3rd World countries have better designed cities than London. Have you seen how wide roads in the majority of cities outside the UK are? London roads were designed for the horse and cart ... is it any wonder we struggle! From previous quotes on here, there appears little appetite to change things. Welcome to 3rd world Britian. There has been decades of lack of planning and under investment. It would require something monumental now for London to become the forefront of transportation again. Anyone that thinks a road system built for the horse and cart is fit for the purpose of a 21st century transport system is a fool! That's what we're stuck with and there's not much likelihood of changing it without widescale demolition. Well then you cant complain about it if that is your view. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 24, 2022 13:34:05 GMT
To most people it probably doesn't matter whether they are bus or cycle lanes, either way they can't use them. At least bus lanes shift a significant number of people, rather than the odd sole occupancy contraption. I will add, that whilst schedules are padded, 20mph zones, and routes are regulated, the argument for bus lanes rapidly diminishes. You can't say buses need to be sped up on one hand, whilst artificially slowing them down with the other. |
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