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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 23, 2022 23:17:40 GMT
I disagree with this idea because it is silly! This is just pushing people away from cycling especially when some people do it to commute to work or for leisure which saves money. It will force more people into cars and public transport. Insurance is way too costly whilst having a number plate looks silly and is too much of a faff. Hope this doesn't actually take place... I think you need to re-read your comment - where's the negative of pushing more people on public transport whether it's from cycling or elsewhere? That's a benefit not a negative. Money wise for people it's a bit of a negative, environmentally it makes no difference |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 24, 2022 6:17:04 GMT
I doubt this will even get off the ground, we have an ever shrinking police force to enforce any rules, cyclists will treat any reforms like a red traffic light and just ignore it. Government wants to seem relevant as many have distrust due to cost of living and their parties in Lockdown etc... they are just throwing red meat to Tory voters before the "X Factor final" between Truss and Sunak  How will it be enforced? Physical plates would have to be in a place not obscured by wearer's coat, clothes etc. Cameras will have to be installed at every traffic light at great expense. Even more police or enforcement officers would be needed. Never gonna happen... |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 24, 2022 8:12:25 GMT
Where is the comparison? It’s true, North Korea is currently the only country requiring license plates for bicycles. The comparison is the idea that we could have the same laws as North Korea if we did implement license plates for cyclists. However it would look embarrassing since no other country does it apart from them How do we know other coutries are not coming up with similar plans which happen to yet be announced? |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 24, 2022 8:40:47 GMT
The comparison is the idea that we could have the same laws as North Korea if we did implement license plates for cyclists. However it would look embarrassing since no other country does it apart from them How do we know other coutries are not coming up with similar plans which happen to yet be announced? Switzerland, Argentina and some US cities have tried in the past, without success. The only place where cycling registration has persisted is North Korea. The level of anger (yes, anger) shown towards cyclists on this forum, and in the media generally, is worrying. A study in Australia has linked increasing anti-cycling media coverage to increased aggression towards cyclists on the road. That doesn't benefit anyone. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 24, 2022 8:55:14 GMT
How do we know other coutries are not coming up with similar plans which happen to yet be announced? Switzerland, Argentina and some US cities have tried in the past, without success. The only place where cycling registration has persisted is North Korea. The level of anger (yes, anger) shown towards cyclists on this forum, and in the media generally, is worrying. A study in Australia has linked increasing anti-cycling media coverage to increased aggression towards cyclists on the road. That doesn't benefit anyone. I wouldn’t say anger, but it certainly a hot button issue. The reality is it’s irresponsible to believe that any road users including cyclists should not be held responsible for their actions. A maximum 2 year sentence for a cyclist killing a pedestrian is so poor especially when it is classed as murder. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 24, 2022 9:06:49 GMT
How do we know other coutries are not coming up with similar plans which happen to yet be announced? Switzerland, Argentina and some US cities have tried in the past, without success. The only place where cycling registration has persisted is North Korea. The level of anger (yes, anger) shown towards cyclists on this forum, and in the media generally, is worrying. A study in Australia has linked increasing anti-cycling media coverage to increased aggression towards cyclists on the road. That doesn't benefit anyone. Of course people will get angry when there's fools on the road that really shouldn't be. Cycling is only really a nice summer activity. For sustainable methods of transport we need to invest in Electric and Hydrogen vehicles. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 24, 2022 9:13:53 GMT
Switzerland, Argentina and some US cities have tried in the past, without success. The only place where cycling registration has persisted is North Korea. The level of anger (yes, anger) shown towards cyclists on this forum, and in the media generally, is worrying. A study in Australia has linked increasing anti-cycling media coverage to increased aggression towards cyclists on the road. That doesn't benefit anyone. Of course people will get angry when there's fools on the road that really shouldn't be. Cycling is only really a nice summer activity. For sustainable methods of transport we need to invest in Electric and Hydrogen vehicles. I reckon what's also increased anger is the cycle priority lanes/traffic lights which in many places are implemented as the cost of removing bus lanes...one of the first examples i remember being the stretch between Oval and Vauxhall which was beforehand a breeze of a drive when i used to do the 185. If i was still doing that route when that bike priority was introduced i certainly wouldn't be generally happy about it to say the least. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2022 9:30:15 GMT
Switzerland, Argentina and some US cities have tried in the past, without success. The only place where cycling registration has persisted is North Korea. The level of anger (yes, anger) shown towards cyclists on this forum, and in the media generally, is worrying. A study in Australia has linked increasing anti-cycling media coverage to increased aggression towards cyclists on the road. That doesn't benefit anyone. Of course people will get angry when there's fools on the road that really shouldn't be. Cycling is only really a nice summer activity. For sustainable methods of transport we need to invest in Electric and Hydrogen vehicles. There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 24, 2022 9:34:57 GMT
Of course people will get angry when there's fools on the road that really shouldn't be. Cycling is only really a nice summer activity. For sustainable methods of transport we need to invest in Electric and Hydrogen vehicles. There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. Notably because London isn't particularly suited to cyclists. The weather isn't great to encourage year round cycling. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2022 9:35:45 GMT
How do we know other coutries are not coming up with similar plans which happen to yet be announced? Switzerland, Argentina and some US cities have tried in the past, without success. The only place where cycling registration has persisted is North Korea. The level of anger (yes, anger) shown towards cyclists on this forum, and in the media generally, is worrying. A study in Australia has linked increasing anti-cycling media coverage to increased aggression towards cyclists on the road. That doesn't benefit anyone. I agree and a lot of it comes from people who don't cycle themselves and think anybody who does is just a nuisance. I'm not aware of any anti cyclists anger in France, although opinions probably vary, and the improvements for cyclists in Paris seem to have been generally well received? |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 24, 2022 9:39:05 GMT
There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. Notably because London isn't particularly suited to cyclists. The weather isn't great to encourage year round cycling. London is being made more suitable for cyclists as are a lot of cities around the world, not much that can be done to change the weather though. |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2022 9:57:52 GMT
There are plenty of fools on the road who shouldn't be there and they're not all cyclists, in fact most adult cyclists probably have driving licences. It seems quite a few bus drivers cycle to and from work for easy parking at the garage and to keep themselves fit, obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether cycling is a summer only activity. The improved facilities for cyclists in London is only inline with what's happening elsewhere in the world and apparently London still isn't in the top 20 cycling friendly cities so clearly there's still a long way to go. Notably because London isn't particularly suited to cyclists. The weather isn't great to encourage year round cycling. Cycling is at best a summer activity (and indeed there were no cyclists around the day when it reached 40!). The reason why most sensible people are annoyed is that there is significant investments made in cycling network but these don’t get used plus inconvenience everyone else. Bus lanes ripped out, lanes narrowed / lost thereby inconveniencing people as traffic no longer flows freely thereby impeding people who are trying to get to work for example |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 24, 2022 10:04:27 GMT
Notably because London isn't particularly suited to cyclists. The weather isn't great to encourage year round cycling. London is being made more suitable for cyclists as are a lot of cities around the world, not much that can be done to change the weather though. Yes, as the weather can't be changed you're flogging a dead horse! All well and good in the sun, but how many cyclists do you see in December and January? Is it worth ripping out bus lanes for them just for a couple of weeks in the summer? |
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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2022 10:36:09 GMT
London is being made more suitable for cyclists as are a lot of cities around the world, not much that can be done to change the weather though. Yes, as the weather can't be changed you're flogging a dead horse! All well and good in the sun, but how many cyclists do you see in December and January? Is it worth ripping out bus lanes for them just for a couple of weeks in the summer? Precisely! Even in the middle of summer the number of cyclists I see on Trafalgar road / woolwich road can probably be counted on one hand - while buses / other vehicles are stuck in traffic! |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 24, 2022 11:02:23 GMT
There's two sides to this discussion - yes cyclists behave recklessly but so do drivers and even pedestrians crossing the road when there is a red man. One thing that is irritating is when cyclists are riding whilst using a phone, it's quite dangerous and is like a driver using their phone
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