What team do you think would win the 2022 WorldCup

[vjaska]

Dec 11, 2022 12:16:27 GMT capitalomnibus said:

Dec 11, 2022 8:13:01 GMT borneobus said:

greenboy - really good summary and feel so sorry for Harry Kane who's such a wholehearted performer and worthy England Captain; when he breaks Rooney's England goalscoring record it's going to be rather bitter-sweet for everyone, I suspect including Kane. It just wasn't to be last night, there were a couple of moments when the ball went loose in the French box and could have easily fallen to an England player but didn't - moving forward there are positives such as Rice is only 23, Foden 22, Saka 21 and Bellingham 19 and this may just tempt Gareth Southgate to stay on which I hope he does - but this loss hurts, probably only surpassed by Italia '90 and losing in Turin to (what was then) West Germany on penalties and Gazza's tears etc. That was a lovable England team, as is this one.

I really also think Kane has to look at leaving Tottenham, I am all for loyalty, but Tottenham has not achieved no major trophys for years.

Far from me to defend Spurs given I support their rivals but suggest you re-read what you wrote because it’s an extremely contradictory thing to suggest given the country you support has also not won a major trophy in years and that’s not to throw shade at England, though no doubt I’ll be accused of that, but it was simply to point out how daft that viewpoint is.

Do you think Kane scores the penalty if he is playing for Bayern or City instead? I don’t, anyone can miss a penalty, it happens.

[LondonExplorer316]

Following yesterday's games, I am ecstatic of course and I hope vjaska can talk us into winning the match against France . Comiserations to the England team, they can hold their heads high knowing they did not crash out to a small team. We do have a difficult game ahead of us and I hope we can at least put up a good fight if not win against France.

[ServerKing]

Dec 11, 2022 8:13:01 GMT borneobus said:

Dec 11, 2022 7:17:36 GMT greenboy said:

It certainly is nonsense, the England squad have been vilified in the past and deservedly so but the whole squad can hold their heads up high this time. No blame attached to Harry Kane, anyone can miss a penalty and Gareth Southgate will know better than anybody how he must be feeling, maybe Jordan Pickford could have done better for the opening goal and some questionable defending on the second goal although it has to be said that the referee was terrible.

France were my tip from the outset although I would love to see Morocco win it.

Personally I hope Gareth Southgate stays on, the Euro's are only 18 months away.

greenboy - really good summary and feel so sorry for Harry Kane who's such a wholehearted performer and worthy England Captain; when he breaks Rooney's England goalscoring record it's going to be rather bitter-sweet for everyone, I suspect including Kane. It just wasn't to be last night, there were a couple of moments when the ball went loose in the French box and could have easily fallen to an England player but didn't - moving forward there are positives such as Rice is only 23, Foden 22, Saka 21 and Bellingham 19 and this may just tempt Gareth Southgate to stay on which I hope he does - but this loss hurts, probably only surpassed by Italia '90 and losing in Turin to (what was then) West Germany on penalties and Gazza's tears etc. That was a lovable England team, as is this one.

Like the W5's Solos, Kane's done a great job since 2010 but it's time to move on This is a more dynamic England but they still play a little timid and "polite" (like an annoying driver in front of you always pulling over to let others pass on a narrow street ), other teams like France see this, and from playing a lot of us in the Premier League, know what to expect (Harry takes a while to get moving, like the first B5LH's). Jose Mourinho told Spurs in All or Nothing for them to "play like total C***s" as Spurs were "too nice".

I felt for Saka with all the fouls from Griezmann and Co but England were up against World Champions. It could go south for France against Morocco so who knows. To quote a politician "Lessons will be learned" and England have to pick themselves off the floor and get on with it, Southgate has done a great job, and he has to tell the players on the plane home to keep on working hard at their respective clubs and up their game.

We still have a young squad with potential, glad it wasn't a lot in their twilight years, like when we had Peter Shilton playing till 45... onwards to the Euros when played in more sensible times of summer, I hope they never pick a place like Qatar ever again as it's messed up everyone's calendars and they are out of kilter...

Who will Morocco face in the Final?

[capitalomnibus]

Hmmm, I also noticed this, seems like Wenger also spotted it. Is it a curse of being too political would bite the teams on their backside.



World Cup 2022: Fifa's Arsene Wenger criticises performance of protesting nations
Arsene Wenger has suggested countries that protested at the World Cup before their first matches saw their on-field performances suffer.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63849076

[greenboy]

I thought Morocco were unfortunate to lose last night, France do seem to be getting the rub of the green.

[Green Kitten]

I really wanted Morocco to win… totally not because they’re my sweepstake team lmao

[george]

WOW!! Edge of your seat stuff at the end with that martinez save.

[vjaska]

So an underwhelming World Cup is at an end, bar Morocco and Croatia who had really good tournaments, and in Morocco's case especially, punched above their weight, a lot of the matches wern't up to previous tournament standards IMO and most of these big countries and top quality players ended up resorting to rather dull, defensive football or in Spain's case, a overkill of possession football for the sake of it. Even the final was rather dull first half outside of a penalty that was very soft and it only kicked into life latter half of the 2nd half yet pundits already christening it the greater World Cup final in living memory. The lack of decent strikers is also a major concern outside of a select few countries (England, France, Portugal Brazil & Argentina the exceptions) - can't wait for league football to return where the quality is usually so much better (watching Burnley the other day for instance was far better than watching most teams at the World Cup).

[george]

Dec 18, 2022 18:20:17 GMT vjaska said:

So an underwhelming World Cup is at an end, bar Morocco and Croatia who had really good tournaments, and in Morocco's case especially, punched above their weight, a lot of the matches wern't up to previous tournament standards IMO and most of these big countries and top quality players ended up resorting to rather dull, defensive football or in Spain's case, a overkill of possession football for the sake of it. Even the final was rather dull first half outside of a penalty that was very soft and it only kicked into life latter half of the 2nd half yet pundits already christening it the greater World Cup final in living memory. The lack of decent strikers is also a major concern outside of a select few countries (England, France, Portugal Brazil & Argentina the exceptions) - can't wait for league football to return where the quality is usually so much better (watching Burnley the other day for instance was far better than watching most teams at the World Cup).

Couldn't disagree with you more sorry mate. What world cup final in recent memory was better in your opinion? I do agree can't wait for league football to come back.

[greenboy]

Probably the best World Cup final ever, they usually seem to be rather drab affairs. Personally I'd have preferred anyone rather than Argentina, Di Maria dived to get the penalty and blatant gamesmanship from Martinez.

Probably not much consolation to Kylian Mbappe but........

[vjaska]

Dec 18, 2022 18:26:26 GMT george said:

Dec 18, 2022 18:20:17 GMT vjaska said:

So an underwhelming World Cup is at an end, bar Morocco and Croatia who had really good tournaments, and in Morocco's case especially, punched above their weight, a lot of the matches wern't up to previous tournament standards IMO and most of these big countries and top quality players ended up resorting to rather dull, defensive football or in Spain's case, a overkill of possession football for the sake of it. Even the final was rather dull first half outside of a penalty that was very soft and it only kicked into life latter half of the 2nd half yet pundits already christening it the greater World Cup final in living memory. The lack of decent strikers is also a major concern outside of a select few countries (England, France, Portugal Brazil & Argentina the exceptions) - can't wait for league football to return where the quality is usually so much better (watching Burnley the other day for instance was far better than watching most teams at the World Cup).

Couldn't disagree with you more sorry mate. What world cup final in recent memory was better in your opinion? I do agree can't wait for league football to come back.

No need to apologise, nothing wrong with stating your opinion regardless if it matches mine - personally, I don't have a preferential final but the match started in the 80th minute when France got back in it - the extra time period was very good but a large part of the game was dull so I feel very uneasy about christening a 40 minute period of a 120 minute game (minus penalties) as the best World Cup final in living memory.

[mondraker275]

Dec 19, 2022 12:21:53 GMT vjaska said:

Dec 18, 2022 18:26:26 GMT george said:

Couldn't disagree with you more sorry mate. What world cup final in recent memory was better in your opinion? I do agree can't wait for league football to come back.

No need to apologise, nothing wrong with stating your opinion regardless if it matches mine - personally, I don't have a preferential final but the match started in the 80th minute when France got back in it - the extra time period was very good but a large part of the game was dull so I feel very uneasy about christening a 40 minute period of a 120 minute game (minus penalties) as the best World Cup final in living memory.

I agree with your general points about the final and some of the style of play in some games from good teams (the finalists were both quite negative for most of the tournament), however, I disagree about the tournament being underwhelming. Most World Cups are generally quite poor quality and that is generally down to poor managers and limited time to work with players. This tournament has been better than any I can remember. Better final than any (even though France turned up late) and also many shocks and the epic final group games drama in every group (highlights being Mexico/Poland, Germany/CR, and even Uruguay/Ghana). If this was underwhelming you may never see anything great anytime soon.

I actually will find going back to league football so quickly a bit weird. They just will not have the passion of the World Cup and particularly love how the benches all come and celebrate for every goal. Will we also have to deal with the World Cup reference every time Brighton play...

[capitalomnibus]

This was one of the best world cups for me. I think it beats Italia 90, which was my favourite before this. I really thought France had it, but Argentina who I found were slowful in the group games, only started to believe they can do it after they hit the knockout stages.

The worst and boring World cup has to be USA94, the only thing interesting was the way the pitches were cut. It was also the first final to be decided on penalties, the game play was boring and slow in most matches.