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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 30, 2024 18:38:19 GMT
perhaps I should have explained what I meant better A sword attack carried out by a person who may have been going through a mental health episode is not the sort of knife crime that are pretty much out of the control of any politician or police authority. I got what you were trying to say. If he drove the car into people and killed them then this would not be the conversation nor are the Nottingham incidents being treated as 'How do we sort out knife crime?'. I think these type of solo incidents (mainly mental health or hate related) will happen more and with mention of the US, if this person was there he would have done alot more damage to lives and families. Knives are obviously used normally in society so difficult to prevent someone from using it with bad intentions. The only things I would want to know is, How did he get what appears to be a sword that is not easily available? [All these large knives/zombie knives should be treated as Class A drugs and have heavy sentences for having them] and was he previously known to police or other public services? [Very rarely do people who have problems or are regular offenders get better, they usually get worse and so should be kept from society for longer]. Even if there are failures in the answers to these, I still think it would be very difficult to pin it on any individual but if blame goes to the top then people will. Additionally, if this incident happens next week or next year with another party in charge then it would obviously not be their fault...I guess... It is a bit more complicated than that and I believe that anyone in charge would try do their best to prevent this. absolutely, what happened in Hainault is a combination of failures, which cannot be put at the Mayor's doorstep. I'm sure all the issues and mistakes that may have been made will come out over the coming days In the statement the police gave, he wasn't know to the police and they hadn't had any reports about him previously. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 30, 2024 18:55:52 GMT
I got what you were trying to say. If he drove the car into people and killed them then this would not be the conversation nor are the Nottingham incidents being treated as 'How do we sort out knife crime?'. I think these type of solo incidents (mainly mental health or hate related) will happen more and with mention of the US, if this person was there he would have done alot more damage to lives and families. Knives are obviously used normally in society so difficult to prevent someone from using it with bad intentions. The only things I would want to know is, How did he get what appears to be a sword that is not easily available? [All these large knives/zombie knives should be treated as Class A drugs and have heavy sentences for having them] and was he previously known to police or other public services? [Very rarely do people who have problems or are regular offenders get better, they usually get worse and so should be kept from society for longer]. Even if there are failures in the answers to these, I still think it would be very difficult to pin it on any individual but if blame goes to the top then people will. Additionally, if this incident happens next week or next year with another party in charge then it would obviously not be their fault...I guess... It is a bit more complicated than that and I believe that anyone in charge would try do their best to prevent this. absolutely, what happened in Hainault is a combination of failures, which cannot be put at the Mayor's doorstep. I'm sure all the issues and mistakes that may have been made will come out over the coming days In the statement the police gave, he wasn't know to the police and they hadn't had any reports about him previously. Where has this idea that the suspect had mental health issues come from? I don’t see any thing to suggest he had mental health issues. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 30, 2024 18:57:04 GMT
I got what you were trying to say. If he drove the car into people and killed them then this would not be the conversation nor are the Nottingham incidents being treated as 'How do we sort out knife crime?'. I think these type of solo incidents (mainly mental health or hate related) will happen more and with mention of the US, if this person was there he would have done alot more damage to lives and families. Knives are obviously used normally in society so difficult to prevent someone from using it with bad intentions. The only things I would want to know is, How did he get what appears to be a sword that is not easily available? [All these large knives/zombie knives should be treated as Class A drugs and have heavy sentences for having them] and was he previously known to police or other public services? [Very rarely do people who have problems or are regular offenders get better, they usually get worse and so should be kept from society for longer]. Even if there are failures in the answers to these, I still think it would be very difficult to pin it on any individual but if blame goes to the top then people will. Additionally, if this incident happens next week or next year with another party in charge then it would obviously not be their fault...I guess... It is a bit more complicated than that and I believe that anyone in charge would try do their best to prevent this. absolutely, what happened in Hainault is a combination of failures, which cannot be put at the Mayor's doorstep. I'm sure all the issues and mistakes that may have been made will come out over the coming days In the statement the police gave, he wasn't know to the police and they hadn't had any reports about him previously. In fairness nobody could have forseen today's incident in Hainault and it appears at this stage that the suspect wasn't previously known to the police. He is currently in hospital and it remains to be seen whether any mistakes have been made. The fact remains though that crime in London has risen sharply under Sadiq Khan. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 30, 2024 19:02:26 GMT
absolutely, what happened in Hainault is a combination of failures, which cannot be put at the Mayor's doorstep. I'm sure all the issues and mistakes that may have been made will come out over the coming days In the statement the police gave, he wasn't know to the police and they hadn't had any reports about him previously. In fairness nobody could have forseen today's incident in Hainault and it appears at this stage that the suspect wasn't previously known to the police. He is currently in hospital and it remains to be seen whether any mistakes have been made. The fact remains though that crime in London has risen sharply under Sadiq Khan. absolutely, as it has everywhere in the country. But that's a seperate issue to the events in Hainault. Whatever mistakes may have been made (if any) with Hainault shouldn't be lumped into that |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 30, 2024 19:14:41 GMT
perhaps I should have explained what I meant better A sword attack carried out by a person who may have been going through a mental health episode is not the sort of knife crime that are pretty much out of the control of any politician or police authority. I got what you were trying to say. If he drove the car into people and killed them then this would not be the conversation nor are the Nottingham incidents being treated as 'How do we sort out knife crime?'. I think these type of solo incidents (mainly mental health or hate related) will happen more and with mention of the US, if this person was there he would have done alot more damage to lives and families. Knives are obviously used normally in society so difficult to prevent someone from using it with bad intentions. The only things I would want to know is, How did he get what appears to be a sword that is not easily available? [All these large knives/zombie knives should be treated as Class A drugs and have heavy sentences for having them] and was he previously known to police or other public services? [Very rarely do people who have problems or are regular offenders get better, they usually get worse and so should be kept from society for longer]. Even if there are failures in the answers to these, I still think it would be very difficult to pin it on any individual but if blame goes to the top then people will. Additionally, if this incident happens next week or next year with another party in charge then it would obviously not be their fault...I guess... It is a bit more complicated than that and I believe that anyone in charge would try do their best to prevent this. These swords seem available easily. I remember last year one was laying on the floor in Romford town center on a Saturday afternoon with people gathered around it! I assume it was dropped by someone out with the intent of using it or had been used in a recent confrontation. |
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